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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2012, 03:04:58 AM »
Watch out for Nikon crew, they're on a roll and they're not done yet.

D5100's 16MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 36MP D800, and they have very similar base ISO performance

D3200's 24MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54MP D4x?, and would have very similar base ISO performance + all the extra goodness a high end body would add... and that's still over 1 EV better base ISO DR than Canon's current best-tested tho were waiting/hoping the 1Dx and 6D will fare better than the 5d3.

This also highlights another Canon problem.

By not having a sensor resolution past 18MP for APS-C, they're also saying that they can't go beyond 46MP at full frame.

Whilst the 120MP APS-H sensor was a nice demonstration, that is more like the choppers you see made on TV as one-offs rather than the models Yamaha, etc, make in a factory.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2012, 03:04:58 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2012, 04:05:39 AM »
I bet this will utilize the CFast 2.0 standard (up to 600MB/s) instead of the XQD 2.0 one (1000MB/s) because it would provide backward compatibility and is fast enough to keep up with the body's needs.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #62 on: September 23, 2012, 04:09:21 AM »
and it wouldn't surprise me if D800 outshines it in both high iso (likely, esp with lower MP) and DR (as usual).

Aimed at studio work (or macro) with controlled lighting, dr and iso wouldn't matter much, you'd just want high mp for enormous high gloss prints.

46.1 mp eh? I imagine that would allow Canon show optical superiority of its lenses in comparison to the competition ( and hopefully not vice cersa  ;))...

Most manufacturers can/could produce very sharp lenses for a lot of $$$ - Canon's main advantage is the af system and its integration with the (newest) camera bodies. But if Canon produces all future L lenses for 46mp+ they'll be very expensive, too, even if you use "just" 20mp. The 24-70ii must just have been a taste.

If its a 5Dx for 4099$. I'm so buying one.  ;D

Most people who got a 5d3 for $3500 will happily trade it in for a 5dx for $4500 - At least that's what I hope, because then the rest of us can get the used, cheaper 5d3 bodies :->

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2012, 04:43:56 AM »
Let it be around 30-40Mpix with good AF AND  greater DR and no visible banding when post processing. So at the end I think I would like to have a Nikon :)... maybe with some Canon optics. ISO max Could be 6400 . And we have a perfect camera which could keep Canon customers. Otherwise there no argument for Canon. So far event D600 outshines the canon's flagship camera in all sensor aspects.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2012, 04:56:15 AM »
$$$$$8000 in Canon's NEW overpriced world. No thanks.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #65 on: September 23, 2012, 04:59:01 AM »
I don't want to get everyone's hopes up, but I saw a pro testing a canon ff body for architecture yesterday with all the logos taped out. They were using the tse 17, so I know it was canon and...it was a 5d style body

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2012, 05:17:32 AM »
Some call me visionary...or just a good guesser  ;D:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=8347.msg165227#msg165227

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2012, 05:17:32 AM »

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #67 on: September 23, 2012, 06:54:19 AM »
I bet this will utilize the CFast 2.0 standard (up to 600MB/s) instead of the XQD 2.0 one (1000MB/s) because it would provide backward compatibility and is fast enough to keep up with the body's needs.


CFast is not backward compatible with CF.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash :
"CFast cards are not physically or electrically compatible with CompactFlash cards."

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2012, 06:57:08 AM »
Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.
Could it be different form country to country? In my region I see quite a lot of 5DIII's but hardly any D800.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2012, 06:58:05 AM »
Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.

This post says more than most of the opines here (including mine).

Personally I'd MUCH prefer a 1D body with that 46MP, but regardless I was ready to buy any new body this year to upgrade my 5DMKII. Instead Canon came out with nothing interesting. I love the 1DX overall, but 18MP? Same for the 5DMKIII, that's a lot of money for AF the mmii should have had.

Bring it on Canon! Let's see some innovation.

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« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2012, 06:59:20 AM »
Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.
Could it be different form country to country? In my region I see quite a lot of 5DIII's but hardly any D800.

Ha ha ... because maybe it's sold out?

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« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2012, 07:01:34 AM »
Look, Canon gave us what we asked for and then we snubbed them; decided we wanted everything that we said we didn't need.

Then Canon read the market wrong. If true, then sometimes you have to know what people want, even if they don't know themselves. Apple used to be good at this.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2012, 07:10:22 AM »
46mp with 16bit ADC? I can see that Cannot is working with Malcodesoft to trash all current computers.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2012, 07:30:55 AM »
Watch out for Nikon crew, they're on a roll and they're not done yet.

D5100's 16MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 36MP D800, and they have very similar base ISO performance

D3200's 24MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54MP D4x?, and would have very similar base ISO performance + all the extra goodness a high end body would add... and that's still over 1 EV better base ISO DR than Canon's current best-tested tho were waiting/hoping the 1Dx and 6D will fare better than the 5d3.

But if they're considering a FF version of the sensor tech used in current 18MP APS-C bodies...  Well... no thanks.
Go back to the drawing board, or better yet, the patent office and search for some better tech to license.

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Look, Canon gave us what we asked for and then we snubbed them; decided we wanted everything that we said we didn't need.



Because they did one thing extremely wrong: price :)

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2012, 07:32:47 AM »
I bet this will utilize the CFast 2.0 standard (up to 600MB/s) instead of the XQD 2.0 one (1000MB/s) because it would provide backward compatibility and is fast enough to keep up with the body's needs.


CFast is not backward compatible with CF.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash :
"CFast cards are not physically or electrically compatible with CompactFlash cards."


Huh? What's the use then? Look like it's gonna turn into another format war with Nikon, Sony and Lexar behind XQD versus Canon, Phase One and Sandisk behind CFast:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57516672-1/cfast-2.0-splits-high-end-flash-card-market/

One more thing to worry about when switching systems  :-\
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