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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #120 on: September 26, 2012, 11:45:21 AM »
Pricing will depend on how this cam will be positioned by Canon. If its a more or less mass product and positioned against D800 then too high pricing (say over $4500) becomes unreasonable. $4500 is the price you can pay for D800 plus a decent lens, so a higher price for Canon will be an invitation to add a second system to the setup and not to buy Canon's new cam. If the new high MP cam is positioned as a niche market for high pros and will be able to compete IQ wise with medium format then I expect the price to be sky high. This however will not resolve the current situation for most users who are playing on 5DMKIII & D800 field and i believe this is where Canon could make a lot more $$. Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #120 on: September 26, 2012, 11:45:21 AM »

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #121 on: September 26, 2012, 11:58:00 AM »
Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #122 on: September 26, 2012, 12:04:21 PM »
Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?
Did you see them?

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #123 on: September 26, 2012, 12:08:39 PM »
Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?
Did you see them?

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #124 on: September 26, 2012, 12:11:52 PM »
Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?
Did you see them?

Well, I think he's saying that since someone makes a comment/claim that a sales strategy of a product is, not only wrong, but FUNDAMENTALLY wrong, it would help to see some data that would support that claim.  If there is no data to support that claim, then it's just another one of the many rubbish comments in this thread.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #125 on: September 26, 2012, 12:38:42 PM »
my take --- what they will unveil in october will probably be a 1d style camera with a 1d style price, and similar to the 1dx this will be announced but not available till summer 2013.  In the meantime, they will also unveil the tricle down too.  If they are indeed not only bringing in a new sensor, but a new naming scheme, then it would make sense to have a body scaled to each price niche, so the XXDFDDXX will be aimed at high end pros and have a price tag of about 7-8k.  Then they will have a lower end pro body in the 2.5-4.5k range, and eventually we'll see rebel style version in the $750-1500 range. 

Think about last year, the 1dx wass announced early, but not seen for a long while.  The mk3 was announced and on the market very quickly (which makes sense, most in the market for a 1dx probably needed about a year to allocate enough $$$ to snag one).  My guess is we'll see something similar here.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2012, 12:42:28 PM »
Well, I think he's saying that since someone makes a comment/claim that a sales strategy of a product is, not only wrong, but FUNDAMENTALLY wrong, it would help to see some data that would support that claim.  If there is no data to support that claim, then it's just another one of the many rubbish comments in this thread.

true dat!  its one thing to give an opinion on a site where one is as good as another (after all, this is a rumors site where the signal to noise ratio is, well, not award-winning), but quite another to assert something as true without supporting data.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2012, 12:42:28 PM »

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2012, 01:40:09 PM »
Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?

Sorry - I should've said IMO in my statement. No, I did not look at numbers. I rather look at the level of pricing in terms of competition offerings & their pricing, the fact that the street price of MKIII went down so fast and that much. Also the number of people who were waiting for the upgrade from MKII and who realized that MKIII is out of their financial reach. In Canada the MSRP was announced as $3800 and in just a few months ALL stores priced it down by $300. Is that not an indication of miscalculated pricing? Now as it went all the way down to sub $3K (again, I am aware that this is not MSRP but rather a street price), i see quite a number of early buyers are somewhat angry/frustrated as they paid the full price. I know many of them already paid it off with images taken, but hey if the price was lower initially - that would still be the same cam and extra few hundred $ in their pockets. I wonder if there was another camera model (with a 3-4 year cycle) which pricing was jumping that much in just a few months after the release. Market proved that the real value of the cam is quite below $3K. So yeah, IMO the pricing on MKIII was/is fundamentally wrong.
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2012, 04:15:45 PM »
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?

It's the "snob effect": If something is ridiculously expensive it a) has to be stellar (like the 24-70ii as "THE" lens) and b) people with cheap Nikons will admire you, though their tech is better.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2012, 04:51:32 PM »
Canon's pricing strategy with 5DMKIII proved to be fundametally wrong, so I really hope they learned their lesson...
Just curios, did you see sales numbers?

Sorry - I should've said IMO in my statement. No, I did not look at numbers. I rather look at the level of pricing in terms of competition offerings & their pricing, the fact that the street price of MKIII went down so fast and that much. Also the number of people who were waiting for the upgrade from MKII and who realized that MKIII is out of their financial reach. In Canada the MSRP was announced as $3800 and in just a few months ALL stores priced it down by $300. Is that not an indication of miscalculated pricing? Now as it went all the way down to sub $3K (again, I am aware that this is not MSRP but rather a street price), i see quite a number of early buyers are somewhat angry/frustrated as they paid the full price. I know many of them already paid it off with images taken, but hey if the price was lower initially - that would still be the same cam and extra few hundred $ in their pockets. I wonder if there was another camera model (with a 3-4 year cycle) which pricing was jumping that much in just a few months after the release. Market proved that the real value of the cam is quite below $3K. So yeah, IMO the pricing on MKIII was/is fundamentally wrong.

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On another note, the d800 vs the mk3 (that's your obvious price reference) - the mk3 is better compared to the d3, d3s, d4 and the d700 - the d800 is really intended for studio use, where the mk3 is designed to be a beast of a wedding camera. 
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #130 on: September 28, 2012, 08:42:44 PM »
Now as it went all the way down to sub $3K (again, I am aware that this is not MSRP but rather a street price), i see quite a number of early buyers are somewhat angry/frustrated as they paid the full price.

Besides that Adorama eBay thing where is it regularly sold below 3K?

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #131 on: September 28, 2012, 09:35:54 PM »
Sounds all fine and dandy, but I will never buy one. I just don't have a need for a camera like that.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2012, 09:47:12 PM »
Well, I think he's saying that since someone makes a comment/claim that a sales strategy of a product is, not only wrong, but FUNDAMENTALLY wrong, it would help to see some data that would support that claim.  If there is no data to support that claim, then it's just another one of the many rubbish comments in this thread.

true dat!  its one thing to give an opinion on a site where one is as good as another (after all, this is a rumors site where the signal to noise ratio is, well, not award-winning), but quite another to assert something as true without supporting data.

Well, Canon's stock is down 30% this year(the S&P 500 is up 20%) so that's one data point we can use.  Also, Nikon's stock is up more that 15%. So while it may not all be the 5D3s fault, something is rotten.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2012, 09:47:12 PM »

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #133 on: September 28, 2012, 11:39:32 PM »
Well, I think he's saying that since someone makes a comment/claim that a sales strategy of a product is, not only wrong, but FUNDAMENTALLY wrong, it would help to see some data that would support that claim.  If there is no data to support that claim, then it's just another one of the many rubbish comments in this thread.

true dat!  its one thing to give an opinion on a site where one is as good as another (after all, this is a rumors site where the signal to noise ratio is, well, not award-winning), but quite another to assert something as true without supporting data.

Well, Canon's stock is down 30% this year(the S&P 500 is up 20%) so that's one data point we can use.  Also, Nikon's stock is up more that 15%. So while it may not all be the 5D3s fault, something is rotten.

Which could have something to do with the 5D3, or may not anything at all.  Or it could be the 1DX, or not at all.  Or........See the problem?
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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #134 on: September 29, 2012, 12:36:53 AM »
Just because it's a noisy signal, doesn't mean it's not a signal. It has something to do with Canon, and where there is smoke there is fire.  If the 5D3 was killing it, I doubt we'd see Canon's stock fall off so dramatically against the benchmarks. And if you look at the chart, the slide begins right after the release of the 5D3.

Either way, a stock price falling is a sign of trouble for a company. If a company is making bad decisions overall, there is a greater probability that any one decision, no matter how small, was bad.

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #134 on: September 29, 2012, 12:36:53 AM »