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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 01:37:12 PM »
Flexible video crop (full-frame to 1:1 crop in all modes) for all these cameras.
5DIII firmware update to include flexible video cropping.
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Big time bonus - native DNG format, including the option to use the new lossy DNG raw format (huge, huge advantage over MRAW/SRAW).  Include this in the above-mentioned 5DIII firmware update.

Yeah...I'd definitely crack open the checkbook for that.

I do not. All you videots ... stop your whining over bloody video features in bloody stills cameras, especially in DSLRS. Get it into your head, that a DSRL is the single worst possible videocam .. by its very nature. Now go away. Leave us in peace. Do yourself a favour and buy a decent camcorder from Canon or from Sony ...  loaded with all the video crap on earth. Zebra stripes, all sorts of video output options, audio levels, 99 microphones, and anything more. Today these camcorders even come cheaper than a 5D III ... 3000 USD for a Sony VEX Full Frame HD camcorder ... just buy it and vanish from the stills photography sections of forums.

Bitter much? If you crave pure stills DSLR, go Medium Format. I hear they are still doing only photographs. Heck, some of them don't even have Live View. I am sure they will welcome you (and your wallet) warmly.

On the other hand, 35mm FF and below DSLRs will have video. It is a reality. Nobody forces you to use it, but then nobody will make you a custom DSLR without an immense amount of money escaping your wallet first.

Too bad, eh?

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 01:37:12 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 01:40:32 PM »
new sensor line will appear in 2013 that will be seen across the entire APS-C lineup. Expect to see the first announcements in the first half of 2013.


If this is true, then that's very good news. Canon built an excellent APS-C camera, and while we are all happy shooting with it- they do ample R&D to bring out a better sensor and cover the only possible flaw in the camera. The time span is sufficient for us to get money's worth out of the camera as well (not talking about Pros- who possibly would do that in a month?). Dual CF cards will be nice, though. Me likey!
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 01:41:00 PM »
Should hit shelves about 2015. The one thing I hate about Canon is that they make an announcement and then it is months before the product is available. Getting tired of that. Why don't you wait until you are only a week or two away from release before making the announcement?
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2012, 01:42:39 PM »
Flexible video crop (full-frame to 1:1 crop in all modes) for all these cameras.
5DIII firmware update to include flexible video cropping.
...
Big time bonus - native DNG format, including the option to use the new lossy DNG raw format (huge, huge advantage over MRAW/SRAW).  Include this in the above-mentioned 5DIII firmware update.

Yeah...I'd definitely crack open the checkbook for that.

I do not. All you videots ... stop your whining over bloody video features in bloody stills cameras, especially in DSLRS. Get it into your head, that a DSRL is the single worst possible videocam .. by its very nature. Now go away. Leave us in peace. Do yourself a favour and buy a decent camcorder from Canon or from Sony ...  loaded with all the video crap on earth. Zebra stripes, all sorts of video output options, audio levels, 99 microphones, and anything more. Today these camcorders even come cheaper than a 5D III ... 3000 USD for a Sony VEX Full Frame HD camcorder ... just buy it and vanish from the stills photography sections of forums.

Another photog elitist. That's odd when top pro's are concluding that photo-journalists are on the way out and EVERY photographer needs to double up with video, which is the future.

Some people will opt out and be left behind.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2012, 01:58:06 PM »
Flexible video crop (full-frame to 1:1 crop in all modes) for all these cameras.
5DIII firmware update to include flexible video cropping.
...
Big time bonus - native DNG format, including the option to use the new lossy DNG raw format (huge, huge advantage over MRAW/SRAW).  Include this in the above-mentioned 5DIII firmware update.

Yeah...I'd definitely crack open the checkbook for that.

I do not. All you videots ... stop your whining over bloody video features in bloody stills cameras, especially in DSLRS. Get it into your head, that a DSRL is the single worst possible videocam .. by its very nature. Now go away. Leave us in peace. Do yourself a favour and buy a decent camcorder from Canon or from Sony ...  loaded with all the video crap on earth. Zebra stripes, all sorts of video output options, audio levels, 99 microphones, and anything more. Today these camcorders even come cheaper than a 5D III ... 3000 USD for a Sony VEX Full Frame HD camcorder ... just buy it and vanish from the stills photography sections of forums.

Sure...show me a nice video camera with interchangeable lenses and an APS-c sized sensor, that occupies zero space so that I don't have to carry it along side my dSLR.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2012, 02:04:57 PM »
Let's hope they get their 80MP APS-C sensor out. That could be run at 20MP (2x2 downsample), 9MP (3x3 downsample) or 5MP (4x4 downsample) in low light mode. They have the technology, they just need to build it.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2012, 02:05:58 PM »
The delays in developing the sensor was apparently a big reason for the big firmware update for the 7D.

... as theorized by many posters in the cr forum. However something "new" doesn't necessarily mean "better", it could also just be "cheaper to produce". But since Canon isn't competitive with the current 18mp version anymore I'm very curious if they'll just upgrade the mp count or can do something about the current low and/or high iso/dr limitations.

If they want to spread three cameras across 2013, the 7d2 as the most expensive to arrive first cannot be that far away.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2012, 02:14:36 PM »
Ha, CR1 and he says it will not have aps-h! lol A rumor that is definitive doesn't seem like a rumor.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2012, 02:16:54 PM »
The delays in developing the sensor was apparently a big reason for the big firmware update for the 7D.

... as theorized by many posters in the cr forum. However something "new" doesn't necessarily mean "better", it could also just be "cheaper to produce". But since Canon isn't competitive with the current 18mp version anymore I'm very curious if they'll just upgrade the mp count or can do something about the current low and/or high iso/dr limitations.

If they want to spread three cameras across 2013, the 7d2 as the most expensive to arrive first cannot be that far away.
Upgrades to the sensor will likely be lower noise for the readout, a tweak to the Bayer Filters, and more readout channels.  We'd also likely see the embedded AF points as seen on the T4i.  This will make live focus faster as well as enable AF during video.
Overall, there are many Sensor tweaks possible.  There will be no miracle, however, the laws of physics still apply, and sensors are getting to be about as good as they can be, so its just small increments of improvement.
Of course, there are some technologies in the R&D stage that have the potential to be large improvements, but these seem to lose value once they actually try to build a working sensor.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2012, 02:28:51 PM »
...The delays in developing the sensor was apparently a big reason for the big firmware update for the 7D...
Reading between the lines:
We would not get this firmware update, if there was no delay in sensor development. Canon would just make us pay for a new camera.
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2012, 03:07:41 PM »
...The delays in developing the sensor was apparently a big reason for the big firmware update for the 7D...
Reading between the lines:
We would not get this firmware update, if there was no delay in sensor development. Canon would just make us pay for a new camera.
 :(

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2012, 03:48:04 PM »
Currently having 7D and next upgrade what I'm going for is just pure FF sensor, I'll take my hands on 5D4? next! :D
But still waiting to see what Canon comes up with.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2012, 03:52:01 PM »
Btw: "EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D" ... only one consumer body? There are supposed to be at least two xxxd releases a year, what's up Canon? :->

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2012, 04:09:31 PM »
Btw: "EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D" ... only one consumer body? There are supposed to be at least two xxxd releases a year, what's up Canon? :->

Guess they are assuming that since the economy has improved (ha!), people will be willing to buy from the xxxD lineup, and Canon would just replace the xxxxD lineup with the EOS-M camera/lenses.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »
Should hit shelves about 2015. The one thing I hate about Canon is that they make an announcement and then it is months before the product is available. Getting tired of that. Why don't you wait until you are only a week or two away from release before making the announcement?

Guess that allows people to plan ahead, and gives Canon some time to study the response and makes tweaks if necessary. This might not necessary be Canon's motive behind the delay, though.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »