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Re: Canon EOS 3D at 46.1mp Next Month? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2012, 11:11:02 AM »
If Canon thinks that a firmware update / unlocking is worth $8000, I wonder how they feel about an extra ±20mp.
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Re: Canon EOS 3D at 46.1mp Next Month? [CR1]
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2012, 11:11:54 AM »
Is it gonna have 5D-like body?
Any thoughts?

Short-body. Canon have only ever used tall-bodies for 1D-series for PRO's to accommodate larger battery pack + additional buttons for vertical shooting. The 3D will be first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2012, 11:13:15 AM »
46 MP FF is SWEET.  Will make a lot of studio and product and landscape photogs happy.  For the rest of us... well.... meh... it's of lot of pixels.  46.1 MP is precisely 18 MP APS-C scaled up to FF.  So this would suggest Canon has improved the pixel performance (noise, iso, etc.) sufficiently that they are willing to deploy it in a 46 MP FF pro body?  If so, then giddy up little pony and let's get to shootin'... the current 18MP APS-C are very good (not perfect, but they are good) so if there is any improvement at all then we all be lovin' it.  It could also mean that Canon will keep the APS-C sensors at 18MP and similarly improve performance which is great.

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2012, 11:25:42 AM »
Not for me anyhow. I need high ISO performance for my event photography. I'll take a 5D MkII or a 6D to accompany my 1Dx as second FF body  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2012, 11:27:35 AM »
Short-body. Canon have only ever used tall-bodies for 1D-series for PRO's to accommodate larger battery pack + additional buttons for vertical shooting. The 3D will be first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera

Hmmm, "...first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera."  That sounds a lot like how Canon has described the 1Ds line.  After all, 's' = 'studio', right?

Still, unless this is called a 1D Xs, I expect anything other than a 1-series will not have an integrated grip.
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2012, 11:39:54 AM »
I can't imagine any landscape photographer would want a 46.1Mp tool with diffraction limit starting at f/5.6 already.

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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2012, 11:40:11 AM »
Let's hope that one of the two lenses to be announced is an updated version of the old 35mm f/2 lens.  A high quality, small 35/2 lens, similar to the excellent new 24/2.8IS and 28/2.8IS lenses, with quiet fast autofocus, would be a great alternative or addition to the large & heavy 35/1.4L.

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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2012, 11:43:20 AM »
I can't imagine any landscape photographer would want a 46.1Mp tool with diffraction limit starting at f/5.6 already.

So...maybe they announce more TS-E lenses to get around the diffraction limits with tilt...   :P
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2012, 11:45:30 AM »
Short-body. Canon have only ever used tall-bodies for 1D-series for PRO's to accommodate larger battery pack + additional buttons for vertical shooting. The 3D will be first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera

Hmmm, "...first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera."  That sounds a lot like how Canon has described the 1Ds line.  After all, 's' = 'studio', right?

Still, unless this is called a 1D Xs, I expect anything other than a 1-series will not have an integrated grip.


This might be partially my own wishful thinking. But if this is going to be a splash (as described in the original article), then I think (and hope) it's a proper 1Ds replacement. It could be a new format sensor. Perhaps that 30x45 size or something encroaching on medium format.

Personally, I think there are enough sub-1DX full frame cameras in the lineup already (5D3, 5D2, 6D). If Canon is going to innovate and "make a splash" I expect a 1Ds replacement...which means it'll be somewhere around $10k.


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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2012, 11:53:20 AM »
3D's price must be the average value between 1D(x) and 5D.
 
2 * 3D = 1D + 5D
 
We can similarly deduct the price for the next 4D (the average value between 3D and 5D) etc.
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2012, 11:54:27 AM »
3D's price must be the average value between 1D(x) and 5D.
 
2 * 3D = 1D + 5D
 
We can similarly deduct the price for the next 4D (the average value between 3D and 5D) etc.

At this rate, we'll ultimately end up with a different camera for every pricepoint at $500 intervals.

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Re: Canon EOS 3D at 46.1mp Next Month? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2012, 11:55:31 AM »
Short-body. Canon have only ever used tall-bodies for 1D-series for PRO's to accommodate larger battery pack + additional buttons for vertical shooting. The 3D will be first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera

Hmmm, "...first and foremost a Landscape/Studio camera."  That sounds a lot like how Canon has described the 1Ds line.  After all, 's' = 'studio', right?

Still, unless this is called a 1D Xs, I expect anything other than a 1-series will not have an integrated grip.


This might be partially my own wishful thinking. But if this is going to be a splash (as described in the original article), then I think (and hope) it's a proper 1Ds replacement. It could be a new format sensor. Perhaps that 30x45 size or something encroaching on medium format.

Personally, I think there are enough sub-1DX full frame cameras in the lineup already (5D3, 5D2, 6D). If Canon is going to innovate and "make a splash" I expect a 1Ds replacement...which means it'll be somewhere around $10k.

I'm surprised there's no mention of the 1Dc, how much was that "firmware upgrade from 1Dx" going for again?
As with 4K being a "special feature" what's stopping Canon from labeling the super resolution as a special feature that excludes itself from all others, and thus deserving of an insane price tag?
Then again rumours are rumours, this beast is either pro level, or in the spirit of the original 5D, a large mp FF sensor in a not-so-special-at-all body?

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Re: Canon EOS 3D at 46.1mp Next Month? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2012, 11:55:54 AM »
46 MP FF is SWEET.  Will make a lot of studio and product and landscape photogs happy.  For the rest of us... well.... meh... it's of lot of pixels.  46.1 MP is precisely 18 MP APS-C scaled up to FF.  So this would suggest Canon has improved the pixel performance (noise, iso, etc.) sufficiently that they are willing to deploy it in a 46 MP FF pro body?  If so, then giddy up little pony and let's get to shootin'... the current 18MP APS-C are very good (not perfect, but they are good) so if there is any improvement at all then we all be lovin' it.  It could also mean that Canon will keep the APS-C sensors at 18MP and similarly improve performance which is great.

Yes, I think Canon has concentrated their sensor development over the past several years on improving noise rather than continuing to increase pixel density. If it really is 46 mp, then the improvements will almost certainly trickle down to an 18mp 7DII next spring.
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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2012, 11:55:59 AM »
I doubt it will be anywhere near $10k nor above the price of the 1DX.  R&D costs and costs of making such a camera are not nearly as high as they were back in 2007 when the 1Ds Mark III was $8k.  If Nikon can sell the D800 where they are, Canon can sell this camera in the $4k-$5k range.
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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2012, 11:58:25 AM »
Will any of this finally drive the price of a 5DIII consistently below $3,000?  I've been unable to grab the few that have been at Beach or Adorama.  Even a 46mp a year away ought to knock a couple of hundred bucks of a 5DIII, no?
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