Canon 5Dc as an entry for FF? yay or nay?

[Pyrenees]

Strange voting setup 

Edit: I voted for Yay (aka "Yes").

Great sharpness capabilities, beautiful colour rendition. Also love the simplicity of the thing.

Sold mine about 8 months ago. What a mistake that was 

[SambalOelek]

Nay from me given your current situation. I'd rather invest in some good EF lenses. In most situations, your 500D can produce pictures that are indiscernable from a FF camera at equivalent focal lengths.

I've owned several 5Dc's, most recently right before 5D III hit the stores. Coming from a more modern camera (5DII), I have to say the LCD was a bit frustrating to use. It's nigh impossible to determine if the image is tack sharp, or just slightly OOF. I also found the colors to be off (greenish cast).

On the other hand, the images are really good, and I didn't really miss the IQ of the 5D II/III (at ISO<1600). It's a "no frills" image making machine.

One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of used 5D's will come with dirty sensors, and if you're not comfortable cleaning it yourself, you may want to factor in that additional cost.

[Synomis192]

Strange voting setup 

Edit: I voted for Yay (aka "Yes").

Great sharpness capabilities, beautiful colour rendition. Also love the simplicity of the thing.

Sold mine about 8 months ago. What a mistake that was 

Orginally, that NO. was supposed to be a joke and have only one person voting for NO. because someone on the topic just posted NO. haha.

The simplicity of the 5Dc is what really draws me to it as well. Nice to know it retains the film shooting experience in a sense.

Nay from me given your current situation. I'd rather invest in some good EF lenses. In most situations, your 500D can produce pictures that are indiscernable from a FF camera at equivalent focal lengths.

I've owned several 5Dc's, most recently right before 5D III hit the stores. Coming from a more modern camera (5DII), I have to say the LCD was a bit frustrating to use. It's nigh impossible to determine if the image is tack sharp, or just slightly OOF. I also found the colors to be off (greenish cast).

On the other hand, the images are really good, and I didn't really miss the IQ of the 5D II/III (at ISO<1600). It's a "no frills" image making machine.

One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of used 5D's will come with dirty sensors, and if you're not comfortable cleaning it yourself, you may want to factor in that additional cost.

Thanks for the feedback on the LCD, I think the LCD will be the biggest gripe about the camera but I think I can last. For the EF lenses, I would but I don't like the fact that the 24-105mm f/4L is considered a tele-lens. I like shooting really wide, which is why I'm considering getting the 17-40mm f/4L first.

Yes, particularly if you find one with light use (they do appear) - of course, a lot depends on what sorts of photography you're in to...

They are getting on a bit though, so care is needed

I still keep my 1Ds as a backup camera - the batteries run down rather faster than a modern camera, but it's actually just fine still for a lot of my work (quite a lot of my commercial work is only ever printed in brochures, or used on the web). Of course, getting an old 1 series will get you used to 1 series AF, handling and a very bright clear viewfinder... this may build arm strength and additionally, adversely affect your appreciation of the XXD and XXXD range ;-)

I've considered the Canon 1Ds MKii as well. It look like it can handle a lot, but is the IQ, DR and the High ISO as good as a 5Dc?

[K-amps]

I went from a 5Dc to a 5D3... When I got the 5Dc, the 5Dii cost about $2500...

Get the 5Dc for nice flesh tones and nice DoF.

However the other big advantage of FF is ISO performance... in that regard it is no better than the T2i... add to that no Auto ISO... So the only real advantage over an older Rebel is shallow DoF...

I say get a 5Dii... thats a big jump over the T2i and 5Dc.

[verysimplejason]

Strange voting setup 

Edit: I voted for Yay (aka "Yes").

Great sharpness capabilities, beautiful colour rendition. Also love the simplicity of the thing.

Sold mine about 8 months ago. What a mistake that was 

Orginally, that NO. was supposed to be a joke and have only one person voting for NO. because someone on the topic just posted NO. haha.

The simplicity of the 5Dc is what really draws me to it as well. Nice to know it retains the film shooting experience in a sense.

Nay from me given your current situation. I'd rather invest in some good EF lenses. In most situations, your 500D can produce pictures that are indiscernable from a FF camera at equivalent focal lengths.

I've owned several 5Dc's, most recently right before 5D III hit the stores. Coming from a more modern camera (5DII), I have to say the LCD was a bit frustrating to use. It's nigh impossible to determine if the image is tack sharp, or just slightly OOF. I also found the colors to be off (greenish cast).

On the other hand, the images are really good, and I didn't really miss the IQ of the 5D II/III (at ISO<1600). It's a "no frills" image making machine.

One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of used 5D's will come with dirty sensors, and if you're not comfortable cleaning it yourself, you may want to factor in that additional cost.

Thanks for the feedback on the LCD, I think the LCD will be the biggest gripe about the camera but I think I can last. For the EF lenses, I would but I don't like the fact that the 24-105mm f/4L is considered a tele-lens. I like shooting really wide, which is why I'm considering getting the 17-40mm f/4L first.

Yes, particularly if you find one with light use (they do appear) - of course, a lot depends on what sorts of photography you're in to...

They are getting on a bit though, so care is needed

I still keep my 1Ds as a backup camera - the batteries run down rather faster than a modern camera, but it's actually just fine still for a lot of my work (quite a lot of my commercial work is only ever printed in brochures, or used on the web). Of course, getting an old 1 series will get you used to 1 series AF, handling and a very bright clear viewfinder... this may build arm strength and additionally, adversely affect your appreciation of the XXD and XXXD range ;-)

I've considered the Canon 1Ds MKii as well. It look like it can handle a lot, but is the IQ, DR and the High ISO as good as a 5Dc?

1DS2 is a little bit better than 5Dc in almost all aspects except LCD size.  In fact if you compare 5D2 and 1DS2, 5D2 is just a little bit better.  If you don't need to work that much in low-light I'd say 5D2 is almost the same as 1DS2.  I'm waiting for 6D.  If it turns out that it's not too good, I might resort to 1DS2 since I usually don't take shots in low-light.  Just as 5Dc, your only gripe with 1DS2 would be the LCD.  Currently 1DS2 is selling a lot cheaper than 5D2 in my place.  I'm expecting the price to go down more for both so maybe next year, we'll see.

[AprilForever]

No.

Sounds like someone doesn't want the 5Dc getting too much interest, so the price will fall, so they can pick one up for themselves cheap 

No, but good guess!!! I am patiently awaiting my 7D MK II. It will come.

[dr croubie]

Meanwhile, to those saying about buying a 1Ds2 instead:

I would have been one of you until very recently. The 1Ds2 slots in at just over $1k, between the 5D and 5D2. And I was also contemplating buying one myself.
But there's a good thread to read here, especially the last posts on the second page, that has put me off a bit.
Notbaly the bit that a lot of settings are not settable in the camera, you must use EOS utility on WinXP via firewire to set them, no other way apparently. And seeing as I don't use XP, or even Windows (except at work, but that got Win7ed last week, it's still not working properly), that's pretty much a deal-breaker for me.
That and the crummy LCD, but seeing as I'm used to film then I could just treat it like a film camera in some respects.

Damn those images do look nice though.

[Synomis192]

I went form a 5Dc to a 5D3... When I got the 5Dc, the 5Dii cost about $2500...

Get the 5Dc for nice flesh tones and nice DoF.

However the other big advantage of FF is ISO performance... in that regard it is no better than the T2i... add to that no Auto ISO... So the only real advante over an older Rebel is shallow DoF...

I say get a 5Dii... thats a big jump over the T2i and 5Dc.

I know that high ISO is the same as a T2i. But upgrading from a T1i to a T2i seems like a step in the same direction going nowhere. I won't get that FF look, and I don't really see a big upgrade. I don't use the video mode on my camera anymore so I don't think I'll be using the T2i's video mode as much. That's why I'm so interested in the Canon 5Dc. It's a pure photography camera that doesn't have too many bells and whistles.

Meanwhile, to those saying about buying a 1Ds2 instead:

I would have been one of you until very recently. The 1Ds2 slots in at just over $1k, between the 5D and 5D2. And I was also contemplating buying one myself.
But there's a good thread to read here, especially the last posts on the second page, that has put me off a bit.
Notbaly the bit that a lot of settings are not settable in the camera, you must use EOS utility on WinXP via firewire to set them, no other way apparently. And seeing as I don't use XP, or even Windows (except at work, but that got Win7ed last week, it's still not working properly), that's pretty much a deal-breaker for me.
That and the crummy LCD, but seeing as I'm used to film then I could just treat it like a film camera in some respects.

Damn those images do look nice though.

Thanks Doctor, you saved my life (LOL)
I was completely considering getting a 1Ds2 but after reading that link, maaan I'm sure glad my heart is set on the 5Dc (well, it's like 75%. I still need more views from people.) I still have my WinXP machine, but It's so damn old and I don't know if I have a firewire cable to change stuff on the camera itself. Thanks so much for the warning, and you are right. Those images look soo nice from the camera.

No.

Sounds like someone doesn't want the 5Dc getting too much interest, so the price will fall, so they can pick one up for themselves cheap 

No, but good guess!!! I am patiently awaiting my 7D MK II. It will come.

Haha nice save just kidding. I thought that the 6D would be the replacement for the 7D, but lo and behold, it' replaced the 5DmkII :[ Why has canon not been helpful for the APS-C photographers. The T4i is mainly targeted at budget filmmakers. Why can't they make a dedicated photography camera that doesn't have a video mode anymore.

1DS2 is a little bit better than 5Dc in almost all aspects except LCD size.  In fact if you compare 5D2 and 1DS2, 5D2 is just a little bit better.  If you don't need to work that much in low-light I'd say 5D2 is almost the same as 1DS2.  I'm waiting for 6D.  If it turns out that it's not too good, I might resort to 1DS2 since I usually don't take shots in low-light.  Just as 5Dc, your only gripe with 1DS2 would be the LCD.  Currently 1DS2 is selling a lot cheaper than 5D2 in my place.  I'm expecting the price to go down more for both so maybe next year, we'll see.

I like the 1Ds2, but from what Dr. Croubie said, I got a majorly turned off from the camera. I do work a lot in low light though, I can't really shoot in the day because of college so I'm out shooting at around 5:00pm - 6:00pm (good think the Sun doesn't set till like 8:00pm in California ) I also don't like how HUGE a 1D series camera is. I'm not a sports photographer, so I don't know if I can handle all of the extra weight from that behemoth of a camera.
(My T1i is gripped though... is that the same weight as a 1D camera?)

[Synomis192]

How about this matchup?

Canon 5Dc vs Canon 1DsmkII

Which has better...

IQ:
High ISO:
Handling:
Features:
Battery Life:
Shutter Life:
Color Depth:
Landscape:
Portraits:
Street Photography:
Kids:
Parties (formal and non-formal):

[bdunbar79]

The 1D Mark II is simply an old pro sports camera and quite frankly by today's standards, is no longer a good camera vs. what you can get for your money today.  It's not even worth considering.  You can get a 1D Mark III for just a bit more.

[Synomis192]

The 1D Mark II is simply an old pro sports camera and quite frankly by today's standards, is no longer a good camera vs. what you can get for your money today.  It's not even worth considering.  You can get a 1D Mark III for just a bit more.

Thanks for your input, I'll keep my head towards the 5Dc.

[K-amps]

The 1D Mark II is simply an old pro sports camera and quite frankly by today's standards, is no longer a good camera vs. what you can get for your money today.  It's not even worth considering.  You can get a 1D Mark III for just a bit more.

Agreed. I upgraded from a 1D mk.ii to the 5Dc... the IQ jump was amazing.  But I see a similar jump in IQ to the 5Diii (which is very similar to the IQ of the 5Dii).

[Synomis192]

Agreed. I upgraded from a 1D mk.ii to the 5Dc... the IQ jump was amazing.  But I see a similar jump in IQ to the 5Diii (which is very similar to the IQ of the 5Dii).

How good is the IQ of a 5Dc though? Is it impressive by today's standards?

[RLPhoto]

Agreed. I upgraded from a 1D mk.ii to the 5Dc... the IQ jump was amazing.  But I see a similar jump in IQ to the 5Diii (which is very similar to the IQ of the 5Dii).

How good is the IQ of a 5Dc though? Is it impressive by today's standards?

Its still better than any APS-C camera canon makes.

[bdunbar79]

I think the 5Dc IQ is pretty substantial.