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Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« on: September 30, 2012, 11:15:33 PM »
Ive seen lately that this les is one of canons most undersold lenses, why.
The only reason I've heard why people haven't upgraded, is because most people with a 70-300 or 75-300 go to a 70-200 f4. But this lens is even cheaper, and it is 2.8.

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Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 01:34:43 AM »
The evidence (as presented by you, that this lens is undersold) tells us that people prefer the versatility of a 70-200 zoom more than the seeming lure of 1 f-stop more light and the possible background blur with the bigger max aperture. They probably also prefer the IS on 70-200 f/4 IS which gives you 2-3 f-stop equivalent shutter speed leeway. The one f stop advantage of a bigger max aperture may not be that big a deal as it is sometimes made out to be. But my gut feeling is that the zoom versatility and IS on the tele side weigh in favour of the 70-200 zoom.
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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 01:39:45 AM »
The evidence (as presented by you, that this lens is undersold) tells us that people prefer the versatility of a 70-200 zoom more than the seeming lure of 1 f-stop more light and the possible background blur with the bigger max aperture. They probably also prefer the IS on 70-200 f/4 IS which gives you 2-3 f-stop equivalent shutter speed leeway. The one f stop advantage of a bigger max aperture may not be that big a deal as it is sometimes made out to be. But my gut feeling is that the zoom versatility and IS on the tele side weigh in favour of the 70-200 zoom.

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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2012, 02:21:50 AM »
As mentioned in another similar thread, I own the 200L f/2.8 II. And I suspect I may be one of only a handful of people in this forum. The key advantages of this lens for me over any of the 70-200mm zoom lenses are weight, size and color, which makes it more discreet and easier to use on the streets (therefore more useful for my shooting style) than its larger siblings. The obvious downsize of this lens, as is of any prime lenses, is versatility. However, I rarely find this to be an issue. I also own the 70-200L f/4 IS but I use that mainly for landscape photography, in situations where changing out a prime lens isn't ideal, ie. in inclement weather such as in middle of a snowstorm or in a dusty/dirty environment.

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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 02:28:30 AM »
+2 for versatility and IS. But if you want a 200mm lens at f/2.8 on a budget go for it. I shoot a lot at f/2.8 and 200mm but personally wouldn't buy a non-IS at that focal length. But if you're always shooting from a sturdy tripod or at high shutter speeds I'm sure you'll love it.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 04:38:17 AM »
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The one f stop advantage of a bigger max aperture may not be that big a deal as it is sometimes made out to be.

It often isn't in terms of exposure in good light, and at the 200mm may not even be all that apparent in terms of depth of field.

Where f2.8 comes into it's own, particularly for sports or nature photographers - a key market for this kind of lens - is the extra AF performance.

The lens is a stop brighter, which assists AF in any case, but all EOS DSLRs from the humble T3 to the 1DX and everything in between have added AF sensitivity with an f2.8 or faster lens.  In some cases this makes the difference between a point being single axis or dual axis.  Do bear in mind that even if you rarely shoot wide open, at f2.8, the lens is still at f2.8 during focusing and will stop down to your selected aperture when taking the image.

I had the 200mm 2.8 II and used it primarily with an XTi (9 point AF, only one cross type - the centre) and got some really excellent results from this lens on such a basic camera (lens focus limiter is useful, Ai Servo, centre AF point) I used it briefly on my 7D and with the camera set up properly and a couple of seconds lead tracking I was getting hit rates of 8/8 at 8fps.

It's a truely excellent lens.

But my 70-200 f2.8L isn't that far behind it at 200, and gives me the 70- range as well, which is useful for my video work.

For stills only I would have the 200mm again in a heartbeat.  Much faster to use, by no giving you the excuse to fiddle with the zoom, but as video is important to me I use the zoom, which I actually see as a compromise in a way.

My take: Extra aperture is big new, IS is not.  For me, although I know many others disagree.
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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 05:18:43 AM »
In general, today's consumer wants zoom lenses (with the exception of the cheap primes, bought mainly because of the low cost). Talking about the market as a whole, not the small segment of it in here.

I had the 200/2.8L II for a while, agree that it's a great lens.  Excellent IQ, and the longest f/2.8 lens available short of spending thousands. 

Besides a larger aperture for less $, one other big reason for getting primes is the IQ is traditionally better than zooms. The 70-200/2.8L IS II turned tradition on its head, with IQ as good as primes in the range, including the 200/2.8.  I sold my 200/2.8 after getting the 70-200 II, which I prefer for....versatility and IS.
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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 02:51:48 PM »
Ive seen lately that this les is one of canons most undersold lenses, why.
The only reason I've heard why people haven't upgraded, is because most people with a 70-300 or 75-300 go to a 70-200 f4. But this lens is even cheaper, and it is 2.8.

Its a prime, and Primes always sell less.

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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 03:01:01 PM »
According to some reviewers, the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS is sharper at f/2.8 at 200mm than the 200 f/2.8 prime lens.
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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 03:46:12 PM »
Go to the digital picture and you'll see. the 70-200II is sharper at 200 2.8.
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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 04:03:13 PM »
As mentioned in another similar thread, I own the 200L f/2.8 II. And I suspect I may be one of only a handful of people in this forum..

I also own this lens.   Bought it second hand when funds were scarce.   Never seen the need to replace it with a zoom.

 

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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 04:12:47 PM »
I've been very tempted by the 200 f/2.8 MkII several times because it is a third of the price of the 70-200 f/2.8 IS MkII. It has only been the lack of IS and the fact that the 70-200 MkII turned traditional thinking in terms of sharpness that has given me pause, because one of the potential uses would be on a beanbag in a dark environment, where I would be waiting for the animal to pause. Of course in a hide, the small size (and dark colour) of the prime could also be very useful.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 04:37:57 PM »
I have the 70-200 2.8L IS and the 200 F2.8 L II; I like them both and I use them both, although for slightly different tasks.

What I like about the 200 2.8 L II is the size (small), weight (light) and price/performance. And the fixed focal length. I'm currently using it primarily as a tube lens behind Mitutoyo infinity corrected microscope objectives. The zoom is a PITA as a tube lens.

Outside of that, I use the 200 on my 7D and the 70-200 on the 5D3 for zoos/wildlife with relatively short viewing distances. But if I "might kinda want something around 200 or 300mm", the 200 II goes in my bag and the zoom stays home. The 1.5 pound difference feels much bigger when carrying it around for a day.

Although for many people, the convenience of a zoom is probably worth the price and weight difference.

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Re: Canon 200mm 2.8 l ii: what's the deal
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 04:49:51 PM »
I like prime lenses, its just that, for me, the 200mm focal length is seldom used.  I love my 135mm L, but a longer focal length is too long.  Of course, I do occasionaly use long focal lengths, just not enough to justify buying a dedicated lens at 200mm.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 04:53:51 PM »
The 200 f/2.8L II is a great lens for being discreet. I currently live in New York City and whenever I feel the area where I will be shooting is a bit shady, I do bring the 200 f/2.8L II prime instead of the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II.

Every lens has a purpose for different situations.  The 200 prime is lightweight, discreet and has superb IQ.

It's worth every penny IMHO.

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