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Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2012, 10:25:09 AM »
A new EF-S superzoom
There is really only one lens in Canon lineup that I can’t think of a nice thing to say about it, and that is the EF-S 18-200 f/3.5-5.6 IS. From the subpar optics, no USM, terrible build quality, high price and the industry worst “lens creep”. What can I say that’s positive?

I have been told that a new superzoom with STM should be expected in 2013. There will be a superzoom for EF-S and and and affordable non-L one for EF, apologies to the 28-300L, but you’re too big and expensive for most people to carry around. No mention on the focal length for the EF lens, but a 24-300 would be nice. The EF-S version will get the new STM motor found in the recent EF 40 f/2.8 STM and 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM. Both could possibly be available in the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2013.

I definitely welcome an upgrade to the 18-200, and a nice long walk-around for full frame would be nice too.

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Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2012, 10:25:09 AM »

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 10:36:03 AM »
I had a buddy that bought the Canon 18-200 superzoom and I told him not to buy it. I lent him my Sigma 17-50mm OS before his 18-200mm was shipped to him. While my Sigma just blew away his superzoom in image quality, he decided to still keep it because it was convenient.


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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 10:42:14 AM »
No mention on the focal length for the EF lens, but a 24-300 would be nice.... a nice long walk-around for full frame would be nice too

Nice... No it would be sh*t, but I suppose that these lenses are necessary for the consumer market.  24-300mm sounds a bit ambitious, I can't think of one superzoom that currently goes wider than 28mm equivalent; pushing for 24mm may severely compromise image quality as well as compactness.  As for an EF-S 18-300mm, don't get me started! There are so many more lenses missing from the EF-S lineup without producing yet another bloody superzoom... <end rant>

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 10:45:32 AM »
Any idea/experience regarding how the Tamron 18-270 performs?
Need to learn a lot more.
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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 10:48:39 AM »
I would hate to see the MTF on this puppy...  On it's defense, the STM is geared towards video, and video doesn't have the same resolution  demands as still cameras 1080x1920 vs 3000+x5000x pixels..  Plus technology improvements... BUT... we will see when this and if this hits the market. 
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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 10:59:48 AM »
Is it in Canon's interest of producing a cheap long zoom for EF-S, something like 55-250, but longer.
Like Sigma's 50-500, or 150-500 (which i want, but is a bit too expensive)
Do you see it ever happening?

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 11:01:25 AM »
Any idea/experience regarding how the Tamron 18-270 performs?
Its ok. Basically, with a lens like that, you are assuming a situation where you are unwilling to change either due to conditions (rain, dust, etc), or to travel restrictions (can't carry 3 lenses on a long trip). Having a DSLR and that lens gives you more freedom creatively than a P+S, but, you are also make big sacrifices in terms of IQ. If its the only lens you buy, then its sort of a waste, and a better P+S for $4-500 would probably be more worth it.

Agreed on the 18-200s problems though. It's soft on the tele end (15-200) and has awful distortion on the wide end. Add in the zoom creep and the $500+ price tag and I can't imagine they sold many of them outside of kits. An update can't really be worse

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 11:01:25 AM »

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 11:02:36 AM »
These super-zooms are great ... if you want cellphone quality from your DSLR !

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 11:05:05 AM »
Agreed on the 18-200s problems though. It's soft on the tele end (15-200) and has awful distortion on the wide end.

Just to add, horrible focus breathing.  If your subject is not actually at infinity, but rather something like across the street, the 200mm long end is actually only a little longer than 150mm, meaning it's not far off the 18-135mm.
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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 11:15:10 AM »
Not a big surprise. Tamron has owned this market for the last several years and I'm sure Canon wants it back.

The 55-250mm proves that if Canon wants to, they can make a sharp, cheap zoom with a long range. If they can produce an 18-300 EF-S that matches that lens in image quality, it would be worth having for those times when you really cannot carry more than one lens.

I think Canon would have to try really hard to make a new 24-300 mm zoom worse than their current lineup of non-L 300 mm zooms.
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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 11:35:55 AM »
18-200mm is full of compromises but, if you avoid its weak areas, it still can deliver some pretty decent images. I kept one around for single SLR travel use because it performed far more consistently than Tamron's 18-250 and first gen stabilized 18-270.

And that's typically the use of such a lens, comparing it to shorter zooms is a bit apples-to-oranges.
EF-S 18-200's central areas is almost always quite sharp and for simple, centric compositions, it works.

I far prefer the 15-85mm range tho but the 18-200mm preceeded it.

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 12:07:42 PM »
Slow week at CR? ;)
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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 12:21:26 PM »
I think Canon would have to try really hard to make a new 24-300 mm zoom worse than their current lineup of non-L 300 mm zooms.
A new non-L 24/28-300 is gonna be interesting to see. Mostly because I think of how poorly those lenses do on APS-C, so, I can only imagine it on full-frame. Then add in the non-L factor and you are talking cheaper glass, weaker build; I guess the good news is that it would be lighter than the street-sweeper.

Might be missing the audience though, as I'd imagine it'll have a price similar to the current full-frame kit lens, and I'm not sure how many people want a nearly $3000 one-lens full-frame solution.

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 12:21:26 PM »

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 01:10:25 PM »
...apologies to the 28-300L, but you’re too big and expensive for most people to carry around....


I can see Canon making it lighter and cheaper, something akin to the superzoom Nikon put out 2 years ago.

Nikkor 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 VR - 83 x 115mm - 800g - 77mm filter - $1050 currently
Canon 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM - 92 x 184mm - 1670g - 77mm filter - $2570 currently

Hopefully it's not junk like the 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6 USM:
http://usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/eos_slr_camera_systems/lenses/ef_28_200mm_f_3_5_5_6_usm#Specifications
No IS, Micro-Motor USM (not Ring), no FTM, terrible IQ

Actually, comparing the Canon 28-200 to the Nikon 28-300 shows that the Nikon is marginally better than the Canon.
TDP Comparison Canon 28-200 vs. Nikon 28-300

The Nikon is definitely worse than the Canon 28-300, though (especially when it comes to CA and corner sharpness), as you would expect with the L designation and significant cost differential.
TDP Comparison Canon 28-300 vs. Nikon 28-300
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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 01:17:20 PM »
Is it in Canon's interest of producing a cheap long zoom for EF-S, something like 55-250, but longer.
Like Sigma's 50-500, or 150-500 (which i want, but is a bit too expensive)
Do you see it ever happening?

I've seen people shooting street photography with a 40D & EF 18-200mm, and the (rather well advertised) Tamron 18-270 is popular enough for some retailers to make kits of Tamron 18-270 & a Canon body.

There are plenty of laymen who stumble into local photography forums and compare a DSLR's zoom range to that of some P&S (which they consider or want to upgrade from), and to them a lens that ends somewhere between 500mm and 1000mm looks oh so attractive.

So, yes - I see Canon making a low end lens that would make them money first time when people buy / upgrade to a DSLR with superzoom, and - hopefully - a second time when they buy more lenses that have lower zoom ratio and better IQ.

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Re: Canon EF-S 18-300 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM on the Way? [CR1]
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 01:17:20 PM »