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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2011, 11:47:00 AM »
I'd be surprised and annoyed if a new 1.4 were given L status. Non-L users deserve up-to-date products, too.

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2011, 05:45:52 PM »
I doubt it.  The 50/1.2L is not that old (released in 2007), and was itself an update of sorts, from the 50mm f/1.0L (released in 1989, and still shows up on the used market occasionally for $3-4K).  The other two current 50mm standard primes are from the early 90's.

Why did you tell me about this lens...you just cost me an extra $3000.  Thanks.  :)

I did not know the f/1.0 existed, but for the night time pictures I take, it might be the right lens.
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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2011, 03:53:09 AM »
I doubt it.  The 50/1.2L is not that old (released in 2007), and was itself an update of sorts, from the 50mm f/1.0L (released in 1989, and still shows up on the used market occasionally for $3-4K).  The other two current 50mm standard primes are from the early 90's.

Why did you tell me about this lens...you just cost me an extra $3000.  Thanks.  :)

I did not know the f/1.0 existed, but for the night time pictures I take, it might be the right lens.

The 1.2 is a much better lens from what I've heard, the 1.0 is more of a collectors lens.
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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2011, 01:21:50 AM »
Feature wish list, hit any of these along with IQ and it's probably a sale for me:
* Better sharpness wide open
* Newer bells-and-whistles focus system with ring USM (although focusing the current model has never given me any trouble, the focus ring does feel a bit nasty like there's sand in it - always has)
* IS
* Closer focus

Aside from that, more rounded and a greater number of aperture blades, internal focus, etc. would be great but not so essential for me personally.  It would be great if it were truly parfocal; IF should help with that.  I don't shoot a lot of video and wouldn't use a 1.4 if I had the chance to use something else, though, especially if focus needed to be changed.
The 50mm f/1.4 is a bit weak wide open, but its also fairly cheap.  I find myself using 35mm and 85mm a lot more than 50mm, so I'm doubtful that I'd pay $700 for a new 50mm lens.
I agree (though since I have a crop body currently I get a lot of use out of the 50 since it's essentially an 80, which is roughly my favored focal length for most shooting).  The last couple days I've been experimenting more with the 50mm 1.4 wide open and find myself surprisingly happy with its performance.  I might still spring for a new lens if it becomes much sharper at f/1.4, but I've had the current model only a short while and it won't feel like it makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of cost effectiveness, unless I manage to sell my current 50 for a good price.
I'd be surprised and annoyed if a new 1.4 were given L status. Non-L users deserve up-to-date products, too.
That's just funny.  If it doesn't add anything to the price, why not?  I'm just hoping that there will be value for the money.

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2011, 09:03:56 AM »
Just realized, the announcement of the Nikon 50mm f/1.8 G may have some consequences for new canon 50's.
it has usm (equivalent) and an aspherical element. Perhaps canon will follow suit... one can certainly hope, although i would deem it more likely to arrive on the 1.4, leaving us 1.8 folk left out.

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2011, 02:32:51 PM »
Just realized, the announcement of the Nikon 50mm f/1.8 G may have some consequences for new canon 50's.
it has usm (equivalent) and an aspherical element. Perhaps canon will follow suit... one can certainly hope, although I would deem it more likely to arrive on the 1.4, leaving us 1.8 folk left out.

Retail price is expected to be $219 for a crop lens.  Canon might be interested if they can double their price!

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2011, 06:21:01 AM »
Quote from: AdamJ on May 19, 2011, 11:47:00 PM

    I'd be surprised and annoyed if a new 1.4 were given L status. Non-L users deserve up-to-date products, too.

That's just funny.  If it doesn't add anything to the price, why not?  I'm just hoping that there will be value for the money.


It ALWAYS adds to the price!!

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2011, 07:01:19 AM »
I doubt it.  The 50/1.2L is not that old (released in 2007), and was itself an update of sorts, from the 50mm f/1.0L (released in 1989, and still shows up on the used market occasionally for $3-4K).  The other two current 50mm standard primes are from the early 90's.

Why did you tell me about this lens...you just cost me an extra $3000.  Thanks.  :)

I did not know the f/1.0 existed, but for the night time pictures I take, it might be the right lens.

Good job no one mentioned the f/.95 then!

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2011, 09:59:33 PM »
Quote from: AdamJ on May 19, 2011, 11:47:00 PM

    I'd be surprised and annoyed if a new 1.4 were given L status. Non-L users deserve up-to-date products, too.

That's just funny.  If it doesn't add anything to the price, why not?  I'm just hoping that there will be value for the money.


It ALWAYS adds to the price!!
Professor mode:  Logical fallacy spotted, assuming the antecedent. :P

Because it's an "L" lens means (or should) that it has some features that you won't get elsewhere, not that it is just more expensive to pull the lens lineup out of the users' price range.  I think it is important to the whole lineup have a good quality, affordable fast prime like the 50mm, and the current design could be improved on in a number of ways.  I have had no problems with the build, but if an "L" designated 50 keeps people from losing theirs to reliability issues, that makes the apparent price difference (just a rumor at this point) in fact somewhat smaller.

I'm with you on your main point:  It's nice to have consumer-level lenses, because they do cost less, and I don't want Canon to completely replace the 50mm with something that costs more, and take the 50mm out of the lineup entirely.  On the other hand, consider the 50mm compact macro:  It's been out of the lineup for a while but that "hole" seems more or less plugged by the EF-S 60mm macro, which is only around $20 more than the 50mm f/1.4.  I'm guessing it's more expensive to produce than the roughly 20-plus-year old Compact Macro design would have been today, but at launch the compact macro would have been as much if not more expensive in 1987 dollars anyway.

The 60mm macro probably would have been more expensive by at least a bit than the 50mm compact macro would have been before its retirement, but things do become obsolete.  Even if we don't always see a benefit to Canon refreshing the line (I have no personal opinion on the compact macro scene, having used neither lens - it just came to mind), they still have to do it periodically to avoid falling back.

The 50mm isn't a lens like the 70-200 ranges where users can look forward to saving money by getting a previous mark of the lens, but even if the price stays fixed it will slowly become more affordable due to inflation, so overall it's probably just a temporary price spike.  Considering any new lens will be made using more up-to-date technology, it stands to reason they will want more money from it - older lens designs will be cheaper to make and the investment to produce them originally will have been returned long ago.

A lot of my latest predictions turned out poorly, but I think Canon might have the idea that the 50mm is not such an important lens.  "Consumers" seem to be better served by zooms (like the 17-55, which isn't cheap).  It's not as fast, but the already-mentioned EF-S 60mm f/2.8 seems like a good fit for many EF-S shooters, being both pretty fast, a macro, and a similar focal length.  The 80mm lens, which is the FOV equivalent used by FF pros, seems to be right up to date in multiple flavors, including the modern classic f/1.2, so anybody shooting a 50mm on a crop body has to move to entirely different equipment on FF.

The only real reason I can think of to keep the 50mm around is, of course, not just for the 80mm-equivalent length, but as the "normal" lens for a full-frame body, but I keep hearing how much the 50mm length has lost favor since the old days, as if it were a fisheye or something.  Well, Canon brought fisheye back - maybe there's hope for the 50mm too.  At the very least, I don't see them retiring it outright without a replacement, but I really wish they would have something good and sharp like Nikon seems to have, instead of the portrait-focused f/1.2 version.

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2011, 10:39:16 PM »
I doubt it.  The 50/1.2L is not that old (released in 2007), and was itself an update of sorts, from the 50mm f/1.0L (released in 1989, and still shows up on the used market occasionally for $3-4K).  The other two current 50mm standard primes are from the early 90's.

Why did you tell me about this lens...you just cost me an extra $3000.  Thanks.  :)

I did not know the f/1.0 existed, but for the night time pictures I take, it might be the right lens.

Good job no one mentioned the f/.95 then!

Wasn't that FD mount?

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2011, 01:34:54 AM »
I doubt it.  The 50/1.2L is not that old (released in 2007), and was itself an update of sorts, from the 50mm f/1.0L (released in 1989, and still shows up on the used market occasionally for $3-4K).  The other two current 50mm standard primes are from the early 90's.

Why did you tell me about this lens...you just cost me an extra $3000.  Thanks.  :)

I did not know the f/1.0 existed, but for the night time pictures I take, it might be the right lens.

Good job no one mentioned the f/.95 then!
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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2011, 03:38:24 AM »
I'm with you on your main point:  It's nice to have consumer-level lenses, because they do cost less, and I don't want Canon to completely replace the 50mm with something that costs more, and take the 50mm out of the lineup entirely.  On the other hand, consider the 50mm compact macro:  It's been out of the lineup for a while but that "hole" seems more or less plugged by the EF-S 60mm macro, which is only around $20 more than the 50mm f/1.4.

It can plug the hole for APS-C users only. The EF-S 60mm will not mount on an FF body, so it can't plug any hole for FF body owners.

That's beside the point that Amazon has (at the moment I wrote this message) eight EF 50mm f/2.5 in stock, and that the EF-S 60mm is an APS-C equivalent of an EF 100mm macro.

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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2011, 04:34:15 PM »
Optically 50/1.4 is quite qood when stopped down slightly. I am reasonably happy with it if I regard it as f/2.0 prime. The build quality is appalling at best and needs a major upgrade. If they could bump it to the 85/1.8 level it would be the best thing ever. That one is simply amazing lens, and at the same price.

50/1.8 quite frankly is terrible mechanically and not so good optically. It warrants the use of at least f.2.8 or better f/4 to get razor sharp images, and avoid the bokeh - it's ugly. Looking at the new Nikon 50/1.8 canon would have to play some catching up. That lens possibly looks better than the current 50/1.4 so I would expect something coming our way.

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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2011, 04:34:15 PM »

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Re: EF 50 f/1.4 II & EF 50 f/1.8 III [CR2]
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2011, 11:23:18 PM »
50/1.8 quite frankly is terrible mechanically and not so good optically. It warrants the use of at least f.2.8 or better f/4 to get razor sharp images, and avoid the bokeh - it's ugly. Looking at the new Nikon 50/1.8 canon would have to play some catching up. That lens possibly looks better than the current 50/1.4 so I would expect something coming our way.

I have used the 1.8 a bit, but not extensively.  From what I've heard, a good copy can be pretty sharp, just under what the 1.4 can deliver.

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« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2011, 06:27:16 AM »
Having IS in a 50mm 1.4 would be ridiculously amazing for low light. a 3-4 stop advantage ON TOP of an f/1.4 aperture would have capabilities similar to the Noctilux (though your focus would no longer be razor thin, thankfully).

f/1.4 is still plenty thin, and IS would just add cost, mass, and would be something else to break.  Subject motion dominates anyway

exactly.

Some stuff may be out of focus, but you could get it. Plus, I look at this from a video angle, too - IS allows me to get handheld shots without an extensive steadicam array. I want to have it on more than just zoom lenses!

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