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Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« on: October 03, 2012, 03:53:31 PM »


Grotto in an iceberg, photographed during the British Antarctic Expedition of 1911-1913
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Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« on: October 03, 2012, 03:53:31 PM »

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 05:12:50 PM »
And to think it was shot with manual exposure with zero feedback; makes it even more special...
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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 05:18:11 PM »
it is not the camera but the film/print that matters !!!

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 05:23:29 PM »
It's almost guaranteed that that was shot with a large format camera, possibly even using 8" x 10" film. If so, then it's to your 5DIII what a PhaseOne IQ180 is to a cell phone camera.

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 05:37:20 PM »
It's almost guaranteed that that was shot with a large format camera, possibly even using 8" x 10" film. If so, then it's to your 5DIII what a PhaseOne IQ180 is to a cell phone camera.

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Except that negative format has nothing to do with DR that OP is talking about.

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 05:38:02 PM »
Could be film, it generally has much better dynamic range than digital.
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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 06:00:09 PM »
It's almost guaranteed that that was shot with a large format camera, possibly even using 8" x 10" film. If so, then it's to your 5DIII what a PhaseOne IQ180 is to a cell phone camera.

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Except that negative format has nothing to do with DR that OP is talking about.

It does if it's black and white film compared with color digital.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 06:00:09 PM »

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 06:25:35 PM »
I'll bet its video was crap though.
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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 06:32:15 PM »
Lol, I don't think that was the answer he was looking for.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 07:04:26 PM »
only better dynamic range on highlight but not shadow... i am too young to know about those type of camera, but talking about latitude, film can handle much more better than digital camera.  for example: tri-x - about 9 stops and plus-x - about seven stops, which means that you can pull it back within that given range... but for shadow, digital will win on this perpective... that is the reason why:

1. for film, we should expose for shadow
2. for digital, we should expose for highlight

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 07:32:16 PM »
I'll bet its video was crap though.

Yea, it was 1 frame per 10min.

Great foto, interesting discussion.  Note: There was probably a very talented guy in a darkroom partially responsible for this awsome photo.  Even then, post processing was important.

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 01:16:09 AM »
I'll bet its video was crap though.

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 02:33:28 PM »


1. for film, we should expose for shadow
2. for digital, we should expose for highlight



For negative film, yes and for B&W negative film the saying is expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights. Color positive film is exposed for the highlights.

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 02:33:28 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 03:55:15 PM »


1. for film, we should expose for shadow
2. for digital, we should expose for highlight



For negative film, yes and for B&W negative film the saying is expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights. Color positive film is exposed for the highlights.

yes and no... BW film, expose for shadow... Color film, expose for shadow... Color Slides, expose for highlights... Negative film was naturally clear once developed and you burned on the exposure, hence the shadows that so important... slide film was naturally black once developed, so highlights was more important. 
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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 11:44:40 PM »


1. for film, we should expose for shadow
2. for digital, we should expose for highlight



For negative film, yes and for B&W negative film the saying is expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights. Color positive film is exposed for the highlights.

yes and no... BW film, expose for shadow... Color film, expose for shadow... Color Slides, expose for highlights... Negative film was naturally clear once developed and you burned on the exposure, hence the shadows that so important... slide film was naturally black once developed, so highlights was more important.

I'm not sure where you are getting that information from but it's completely off base. Whether the film is black or clear after processing has no relevance to exposing film. The reason you expose chrome film for the highlights is because it has no tolerance. If it is overexposed the highlights are blown and nothing is bringing them back.

Color film benefits from overexposure by reducing grain and providing better color.

B&W film benefits from overexposure by providing better shadow detail and texture. By controlling development you create better separation in the highlight areas.

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Re: Better dynamic range than my 5DIII
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 11:44:40 PM »