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Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« on: October 04, 2012, 02:56:43 AM »
Ok...This is more of a rant than anything....so here goes!

NEVER EVER...EVER...EVER have an amateur, shooting with a different camera brand and very poor quality lenses shoot a wedding with you  ( you had sympathy for this person and wanted to help them grow as a photographer and allowed them to assist you, photographing)

Holy smokes!!!  I'm using L glass plus a 5D MK II  and in order to get the quality of their picture to something half decent and that looks like a hint of my pictures, talk about POST POST POST...Geesh!

They were using a Pentax K-X and a Tamron AF-70-300.  Now before everyone jumps on my case, I did provide a canon 40D with Canon Lenses ( NON-L) for him to use, however, it was sooo different than his own camera, he couldn't figure it out within the few hours he was there.

This is not a rip on the photographer, he actually has a great eye for composition....he just needs a better system....sorry..

Short of great canon (non-L primes) 85 1.8, heck the 50 mm 1.8 Mark 1....I don't know I'll ever buy poor quality lenses...

sorry....more of a rant...lol

Have a good night.

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Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« on: October 04, 2012, 02:56:43 AM »

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 03:33:11 AM »
Agreed.I had a 2nd shooter using 550D with 18-200mm.End up I didn't even use 1 of his shot.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 03:43:21 AM »
While I probably could have survived going to a 7D when I upgraded a few years ago from my Rebel 450D (XSi), I went right to the 5d2 w/24-105L. Since then, I've only bought L lenses, excepting the 85 f/1.8 which is what I'd say is quite good, and a great value. I don't think I'll ever be able to buy anything that's not at least quite good in terms of quality, even if it's not L build. Otherwise, all L for me!
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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 04:32:08 AM »
Ok...This is more of a rant than anything....so here goes!

NEVER EVER...EVER...EVER have an amateur, shooting with a different camera brand and very poor quality lenses shoot a wedding with you  ( you had sympathy for this person and wanted to help them grow as a photographer and allowed them to assist you, photographing)

Holy smokes!!!  I'm using L glass plus a 5D MK II  and in order to get the quality of their picture to something half decent and that looks like a hint of my pictures, talk about POST POST POST...Geesh!

They were using a Pentax K-X and a Tamron AF-70-300.  Now before everyone jumps on my case, I did provide a canon 40D with Canon Lenses ( NON-L) for him to use, however, it was sooo different than his own camera, he couldn't figure it out within the few hours he was there.

This is not a rip on the photographer, he actually has a great eye for composition....he just needs a better system....sorry..

Short of great canon (non-L primes) 85 1.8, heck the 50 mm 1.8 Mark 1....I don't know I'll ever buy poor quality lenses...

sorry....more of a rant...lol

Have a good night.

You had bad luck with the amateur in this.
But it doesn't mean that is has to bad always.
There are good amateurs and bad amateurs. There are good pro and certainly also bad pro's.
If you have a pro gear, is doesn't automatically mean that the photos will be excellent. As news editor I am receiving numerous of photos and I know what equipment the photographers are using. From Tamrons, Sigma's to Canon and Nikon primes.
What count is the story value of the photo. It depends on for what purpose you want to use the photo. In many cases end user appreciates a photo if they like the story. A photo taken by the best equipment, but without anything special story behind, means almost nothing except filling the space. When it comes to creativity, the pro's and the amateur/hobby photographers are in balance. The difference is probably made by the fact that the amateurs earns by washing cars or whatever and the pro by fulltime photographing.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 04:32:46 AM »
Ok...This is more of a rant than anything....so here goes!

To me, this is a bit simplistic because L glass has been around for a long time and old lenses aren't that stellar.

The main advantage is build quality and sealing (if it rains in the church :-p). I'm really all in favor of L by now, too, because it's more dust-resistant and my old non-L macro broke down twice for this reason, but iq-wise lenses like the 100 non-L are practically on par with the L versions that double the price. And some ef-s lenses have very good iq, too - if somebody shot _in_good_light_ with a 18mp aps-c and the ef-s 17-55 or 15-85 you'd say it's just fine.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 04:49:44 AM »
Ok...This is more of a rant than anything....so here goes!

NEVER EVER...EVER...EVER have an amateur, shooting with a different camera brand and very poor quality lenses shoot a wedding with you  ( you had sympathy for this person and wanted to help them grow as a photographer and allowed them to assist you, photographing)

Holy smokes!!!  I'm using L glass plus a 5D MK II  and in order to get the quality of their picture to something half decent and that looks like a hint of my pictures, talk about POST POST POST...Geesh!

They were using a Pentax K-X and a Tamron AF-70-300.  Now before everyone jumps on my case, I did provide a canon 40D with Canon Lenses ( NON-L) for him to use, however, it was sooo different than his own camera, he couldn't figure it out within the few hours he was there.

This is not a rip on the photographer, he actually has a great eye for composition....he just needs a better system....sorry..

Short of great canon (non-L primes) 85 1.8, heck the 50 mm 1.8 Mark 1....I don't know I'll ever buy poor quality lenses...

sorry....more of a rant...lol

Have a good night.


Having owned both the 100 macro's, I would say the both are just as good for IQ...then again you did mention primes.  No, I would not trade the bulk and weight of carrying around my L Series lenses for a lighter weighter version.  I've been shooting with L series since I got my first SLR (the venerable 1V) and nothing beets them.
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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 05:01:05 AM »
I've been shooting some weddings along side a pro and he doesn't have any problem with my shots.  I'm mostly using 100mm macro non-L and 50mm F1.4 which I borrowed from him.  I think not all good lenses are L.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 05:55:09 AM »
I think that is probably a really good idea. Let the person that helps you out only use primes. They usually have way better Aperture and sharpness at a lower price point. They also help the budding photographer to become a better photographer, just because the fixed zoom.
A Rebel with a nifty fifty could probably provide really nice backup shots, and at 80mm eq. it would work pretty nicely for candids and fullfigure shots at a distance. Combine/replace it with a wide lens (Sigma 10-20/3.5? Primes that wide for crop are EXPENSIVE) for group shots.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 06:06:47 AM »
Ok...This is more of a rant than anything....so here goes!

To me, this is a bit simplistic because L glass has been around for a long time and old lenses aren't that stellar.

The main advantage is build quality and sealing (if it rains in the church :-p). I'm really all in favor of L by now, too, because it's more dust-resistant and my old non-L macro broke down twice for this reason, but iq-wise lenses like the 100 non-L are practically on par with the L versions that double the price. And some ef-s lenses have very good iq, too - if somebody shot _in_good_light_ with a 18mp aps-c and the ef-s 17-55 or 15-85 you'd say it's just fine.

Well, for sure there are "good" efs lenses, as e.g. the ones you mention. Yet, and imo, comparing L and non-L is like comparing good and great wines (that's all I could find...). To many, it's unrealistic to say that one is worth 10 times more than the other. Nobody says that "good" wines are crap. But once you have put some "great" - say one of the 30 greatest - in your mouth, you get it. Not easy to explain. It's far from being sealing or IQ only. For me, it's a matter of depth, texture, volume, feel of the pictures. I sold my 15-85 some time ago but still keep a 10-22 for some uwa shots I happen to take. I know some can extract the best from their efs lenses, but for me, I need to spend more time to process the pictures which I find a bit "flat" for my taste. To try giving them the oomph I find them lacking. Just my 2 cts, but for sure, I'm in L, I'll stay in L.     

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 07:22:15 AM »
I couldnt agree with the title "Once you go "L" you'll never go back...."

I study photography with 450D from my friend, but my first camera was 7D and 24-105 L.. 1 year i use the lens was very happy then, it have good contrast, color rendition, and sharpness was superb...

Someday after i take thousands of picture ( i take for wedding and fashion modelling ) i realize that 24mm isnt wide enough for my crop body.. After i took many times to think, i finally sold my 24-105 L and instead i bought
35 f2,
85 f1.8
50 1.8 and
tamron 17-50 f2.8

I am very happy right now, for general shooting i always shoot with my tamron.. Beside that i love my other lenses very much especially for shooting portraits. Now i can do much with my lens line up rather than with one L lens... Eventhough I hope for upgrading my lens to L if i have sum of money..



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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 07:32:14 AM »
My brother does some for-money work as well as a bunch of not-for-money work.  He doesn't have a lot of cash so he uses what he's got, which is a 400D and mostly plastic lenses.  But his technique and composition are really good & he knows that he needs to stop down like crazy and/or crop a lot for anything that matters, so his clients are always happy with the result.

Only a bad carpenter blames his tools.  Teach your friend how to work around the limitations of his gear...

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 07:58:24 AM »
Only a bad carpenter blames his tools.  Teach your friend how to work around the limitations of his gear...

But all carpenters use quality, sturdy tools - though they certainly don't always buy the newest laser-guided solar-powered gear. As always, "it's up to the photog" goes with out saying, and of course Canon is in the business of making people feel more secure when using the L-atest stuff.

But still, *if* you don't downscale and *if* there is movement in the scene and *if* the light is rather low or high contrast and *if* you cannot use flash/ want the background lit and *if* there climate is wet/dusty *then* a sturdy/fast lens with a capable sensor surely still skips limitations that aren't photog-dependent.

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 09:35:59 AM »
But all carpenters use quality, sturdy tools - though they certainly don't always buy the newest laser-guided solar-powered gear.

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/hammerforum-com


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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 09:36:40 AM »
so, you knew he had a 'consumer' camera/lens, and yet you still hired him? or was it a FREE gig?

:: if you paid him, then it's on you. you KNEW the quality of the photos you will get and you still hired him and then rants about it

:: if you didn't pay him, what's the big deal?

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 09:57:30 AM »
Yes but he was the one who got the boudoir session with the bride.

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