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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2012, 02:38:20 AM »
While I love my 24-105, I don't feel it, or any other L lens is required in order to get great results.
It's just required to get the best results.
I recently went to a wedding as a guest equipped with a T2i and a Rokinon 85mm.
While it may not be a low light king, paired with a fast prime it holds its weight just fine.
Sitting around $800 for the entire setup, being less than a single L lens, I consider the results peachy.
Of course it's all subjective; I've attached some downres samples.

While I understand the rant, I feel too much emphasis is being put on the equipment and not enough on the skillset of the photographer. I'm not familiar with the Pentax system, but it seems a flat profile could have made a world of difference. But then again, what do I know.
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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2012, 02:38:20 AM »

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2012, 04:56:48 AM »
I won't post anymore on this topic....people either understand or they don't.  And those that don't, chances are haven't had the opportunity to work with great equipment....So be it...


It's like a race-car driver.  The driver wants the best equipped vehicle to win the race.  He doesn't want a jalopy and with his magnificent driving technique....and hope that he will win.  He wants to win.   

Someone that is not a race-car driver, not driving in the race doesn't care about what type of car he has...because he will drive whatever and be happy. 

More than likely, the non race-car driver will not aspire to be a race-car driver and therefore does not see the merit of having a race-car. 

Look around at your favorite photographers.....which of them use sub-par equipment? If you're unsure about yourself as a photographer, then take a class...hire a mentor....read more books...practice your technique...learn to be a better photographer. 

You'll quickly learn the limitations of your equipment.  And if you're happy with them....then so be it....But on the other hand, there are a lot of photographers that require the best for their clients and Sub-par equipment just won't cut it. 

So...Buy "L" lenses... don't buy them...I don't care!  I really don't.  If you loose customers because you continue to "Get-buy" on your equipment and don't continue to learn your craft as a photographer...then I have no pity for you. 

I'm sorry for being so condescending...and a little snipe...Although everyone is entitled to their opinion....I realize I don't care anymore....I continue to achieve beautiful and beautiful results time and time again....And although my technique continues to get better, I have found that my results are skyrocketing...because of my equipment's ability to physically produce a quality digital image....I have people all over that request one on one's with me and continue to ask about my "Secrets" to achieving a stunning result...and my answer doesn't waiver...

Learn your craft.....use the equipment that will not hinder your ability to achieve the very best results.  If you're not sure about how your results stack-up... choose a few of your favorite photographers and compare your results to them.  If you're happy...then great...If you feel you have some work....then get to work to be a better photographer....whatever that means to you.!



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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2012, 06:20:28 AM »
Get the lens that does the job.

You nailed it.

That's true, of course, up point.  But some gear has a lot of limitations to work around.  You can take good photos with a Pentax K-x (I briefly owned one as a back-up for a K-5 before switching to a 5DII), but it isn't very impressive in low light and won't win any prizes for focus accuracy

The point I was making earlier is that my brother has a bunch of cheap gear, but when he does a gig he brings the *right* gear.  He knows that he needs to shoot low light with lenses like the nifty 50 and has a lot of experience with it, and gets good (often great) results with the 400D.  The kit zoom comes out when there's enough light to stop it down to at least f/8.  Would his shots be a little better and would he get more keepers if he had an 85L and a mkIII?  Of course.  But he brings the *right* cheap gear for the job and really knows how to use it, so his clients are happy.

If the O.P. didn't verify that his buddy Mr. Pentax had some kind of fast prime & figure out his max acceptable ISO before asking him to shoot low light then I can't show too much sympathy...
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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2012, 07:25:00 AM »
the statement is true to an extent however there are only a handfull of L lenses better than the sigma 85 f1.4
regardless of cost and focal length and they are all the seriously expensive massive and heavy ones.

also IMO the new sigma 50mm f1.4 is better than all the canon 50mm lenses

the 40mm pancake is sharper and better accross the frame than the 24-70 f2.8L mk1 at 40mm the center is similar but edges and corners the 40mm dominates heavily.
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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2012, 08:09:11 AM »
the 40mm pancake is sharper and better accross the frame than the 24-70 f2.8L mk1 at 40mm the center is similar but edges and corners the 40mm dominates heavily.

The pancake is the cat's pajamas!
And the IQ on some of the Siggy primes are so good! though I prefer the build quality of their L counterparts.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2012, 09:43:35 AM »
the statement is true to an extent however there are only a handfull of L lenses better than the sigma 85 f1.4
regardless of cost and focal length and they are all the seriously expensive massive and heavy ones.

also IMO the new sigma 50mm f1.4 is better than all the canon 50mm lenses

the 40mm pancake is sharper and better accross the frame than the 24-70 f2.8L mk1 at 40mm the center is similar but edges and corners the 40mm dominates heavily.

Another lens which I enjoy, which is not an L series, it does not have the best build quality in the world, but in its time it was the only one which Canon produced is the 15mm f/2.8 fisheye.  - As I said, not L series, not the best build quality, but a fun lens.
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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2012, 10:27:03 AM »
I look at it this way: Every camera has its limits. Lower-cost cameras (and phone cams) tend to have much tighter limits than professional-level models, for example. But- if you learn those limits and work within them, you can get great shots with anything.

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2012, 10:51:06 AM »
the statement is true to an extent however there are only a handfull of L lenses better than the sigma 85 f1.4
regardless of cost and focal length and they are all the seriously expensive massive and heavy ones.

also IMO the new sigma 50mm f1.4 is better than all the canon 50mm lenses

the 40mm pancake is sharper and better accross the frame than the 24-70 f2.8L mk1 at 40mm the center is similar but edges and corners the 40mm dominates heavily.

+1

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Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2012, 10:51:06 AM »