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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2012, 01:31:04 PM »
Pentax 645D is only 14 bit.

Canon EOS 1S will be an amazing 16 bit camera.


If it actually retails for less than $7,500 USD it will sell great around the world.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2012, 01:31:04 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2012, 02:54:15 PM »
This is still just a testing the water rumor mill stuff, altho plausible.
Canon's certainly aware that, altho Nikon's D800 is a serious bit of kit, they still have only hinted at what a D4x could be by the time it's released.  A D4x series camera is what this new Canon would be competing with.

Nikon has the technology NOW to make an even higher MP FF body (54MP) with better performance than anything Canon could build at this time.  They also have the option of building a high performance FF body anywhere between 36 and 54MP to select a balance of noise vs DR and speed.

Canon would have to make HUGE improvements in their low ISO read noise issues to even be competitive with Nikon's currently shipping products.  Let's hope they finally accomplish this and install it into bodies the rest of us can afford next year.

This is a bit like a chess game, two major players are prepping their flagship, high MP, FF cameras for release to an eager but highly critical market.  Whomever outs their product first risks being leap-frogged by the one who waits.  And there's more than sales at stake here, this is bragging rights for the next few years based on product release cycles.  The marketing results of which will greatly affect sales of all lower end products where the real meat of profits are realized.

So, altho these new high MP bodies are going to cause some concern to medium format digital mfrs, this is really going to be a boon for all of us who rely on more mainstream gear when the technology finally finds its way down to Canon's prosumer/enthusiast equipment.  Nikon shooters have been enjoying the fruits of that tech improvement for a couple years now.

This is even more interesting than watching US election runups!  :D

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2012, 04:52:27 PM »
I was expecting Canon not to compete directly against the D800, this is something manufacturers tend not to do. This new sensor tech sounds interesting, think we'll see that in the new APS-C cameras too - more intriguing to most people, who can't shell 9000$.

It's all very stupid though if they plan to use it in the 5D4 in the years to come. By that time the competitors will have something new again, so Canon will keep being a whole generation behind them. Sony and Samsung have a lot more $$$ to invest on R&D, let's not forget that.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2012, 04:53:39 PM »
9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?  :o


because it will be able to focus properly , have a decent iso, and shoot at a decent rate.

i own medium format with a p65+ (owned a lot of different systems of medium format over the years) and i am eagerly waiting for an easier to use system. i hope the canon is it.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2012, 05:11:32 PM »
At this point, I am neither interested in the form factor (with or without built-in grip) or its price; I just want to know if Canon has the sensor technology to achieve superlative dynamic range at low ISO without any banding whatsoever. If it has, that will be a great consolation because it means I can continue to invest confidently in Canon stuff while I wait for the sensor technology to trickle down to their lower end bodies...

We'll see.

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($9000 for perhaps same performance as a D800 other than a few more MP does seem a bit of a slow seller, but so long as it means the 5D4 and all will have great sensors I suppose it is good since it would give hope, even if it seems like a lemon, of sorts, itself)

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2012, 05:21:51 PM »
9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?  :o

Usable ISO 1600 is one reason.
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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2012, 06:45:37 PM »
Kinda $hitty of Canon to say the new 1DX is their "flagship" only to come out with the "real" flagship shortly afterward.  ???

It seems like the 1DX is the 1D replacement and the 1S is the 1DS replacement, though this seems at odds with the earlier claims that they were merging the two lines.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2012, 06:58:42 PM »

With $9000 price tag, most of us can only dream about it. I'll wait for another 3-4yrs to have the new sensor & features in 5d 4 8)
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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2012, 07:14:13 PM »
but why a 1D body? that sucks it surely does not need all that extra bulk.
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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2012, 07:47:49 PM »
9K to compete, what a joke, Canon really are a big monopoly, I dont think I can last much longer, Ive wanted something better than the 5D2 for ages, and the 1DX is too expensive, I own a 5D3 but its not the advancement I was wishing for, its a great camera, but was always hoping for a camera imbetween 5D and 1D, this is never going to happen

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2012, 07:50:48 PM »
9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?  :o

How many lenses are available for MF systems?

Plenty for the Pentax medium format 645D:

I have these:

33 - 55 f/4.5

35 f/3.5
55 AW f/2.8
45 f/2.8
45 - 85 f/4.5
75 f/2.8
55 - 110 f/4.5
80 - 160 f/4.5
200 f/4
120 f/4 macro
400 f/5.6.

There are others too....

Does Pentax offer tethered shooting with the 645D?  That was the biggest problem with that camera.

Pentax has been late to the party on this one, but apparently it is now offered:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-medium-format-645-6x7-645d/195346-first-look-pentax-official-tethering-software-645d.html

Personally I bought it for landscape which was largely how it was marketed from the beginning as a medium format camera for landscape photographers.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2012, 08:07:44 PM »
9K to compete, what a joke, Canon really are a big monopoly, I dont think I can last much longer, Ive wanted something better than the 5D2 for ages, and the 1DX is too expensive, I own a 5D3 but its not the advancement I was wishing for, its a great camera, but was always hoping for a camera imbetween 5D and 1D, this is never going to happen
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but I disagree. I've owned the old 5D and then the 5D2, owned the 1Ds2 and now 1Ds3, and now own the 5D3 as well. From my point of view, the 5D3 is exactly that camera between the 5D and 1D. I'm very happy with it now and feel that only some future 46 MP monster with new sensor tech could lure me back to even near the old 1Ds3 pricepoint, as the increase in ruggedness and speed of the current 1D are not worth the price differential between the 5D3 and 1DX to me. If I shot sports, then my opinion might be different. But, I don't.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2012, 08:33:00 PM »
In my opinion, the camera may be the camera that's in between for you, but certainly not for me, Im bored of the sensor, I see terrible banding in blacks, and the sensor to me does not catch enough detail, I have studied it and feel anything further than 5 feet away just turns to mush, and doesn't hold up to the detail that I would like, maybe 35mm isn't for me, who knows, but what I've seen of Sony Sensors is that they are developing rapid and they retain great detail, let me ask you, why isn't this camera a D800 competitor? I tell you why, because it would murder the 1DX I honestly think Canons line of DSLRs is a mess, the stages in which they work is all over the place,

There is no gradual ramp up to the next model, its one huge jump that costs the world, and even at that, its not pushing boundaries, and to me, Fps is not boundaries or Build, its technology.

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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
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Re: Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2012, 08:36:52 PM »
$9k? Lol..what a joke.

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