Archive for: 1ds mark IV
A far fetched spec list?
An amalgamated 1Ds/1D Spec List.
- 61 AF Points
- Native ISO of 100-51200
- New Battery
- 150g-200g heavier that current EOS-1s
- October 18 Announcement
Currently this is the only information I’ve seen in regards to such a camera. I’d rank this as highly unlikely for the moment.
From [NL] via [1K1] originally from [DCI]
What’s coming in 2012
Received some info about a “loose roadmap” for Canon in 2012.
Two things were noted about 2012.
- It’s the 25th anniversary of EOS
- It’s an Olympic year as well as Euro 2012.
We will see a DSLR that will be showing for CES/PMA in the 2nd week of January 2012. When the announcement for the camera would be was unknown.
A new 1Ds would follow sometime in February.
Photokina would bring about a 5D Mark II replacement as well as a 7D replacement.
All that was said is Canon is concerned about getting production up and then they’ll start announcing lenses. The next round of lenses would be “higher end short focal lengths”.
It was also noted that a lot of existing lenses are on the upgrade schedule, though none were listed.
It was stressed that roadmaps are extremely loose within Canon, and stuff is announced when it’s done. It was noted the trade show schedule isn’t as important as it used to be, though they still want to be talked about at both CES and Photokina.
I can hear the collective tears hitting the floor.
The recent rebates on the 5D Mark II have nothing to do with an imminent release of an updated camera. They have more to do with selling lots of 5D Mark IIs. I’d expect rebates to be extended right through to Christmas (Dec 25).
What is coming?
Two new video cameras are coming to us on November 3, 2011.
What I think I know about them
One will be EF mount, the other will be PL mount. They will be both be higher end cameras, and could reach the price point of $10000+. It has also been suggested that the EF mount camera could fall under the “EOS” banner.
crazy things I’ve heard about them?
One of them would have a square sensor and take 48mp still images. I’ll [CR1] that one.
Noooooo, What about the 5D Mark III?
There is absolutely nothing, I mean nothing about a 5D Mark III being imminent. I have received the “no new DSLR in 2011″ line from 7-8 different sources. One source said if something is announced in 2011, it would be near the end of December for CES/PMA, but that was merely conjecture.
So no 1Ds4, 5D Mark III or the rumoured 6D (name guess) in 2011.
A curveball could still come, announcements for products can change. Just because they announce, it doesn’t mean they have to ship anything.
What say me?
A lot of unknown and exciting things are swirling around that November 3, 2011 announcement in Hollywood. I can tell you truthfully that I have seen just about every possible scenario. What’s true? For the moment I don’t know.
I think EOS will evolve a lot in the coming 12 months, the business of digital SLRs has changed with the advent of video in the segment. I figured I’d offer my opinion on the line partially based on things I’ve been told and things that just make sense to me.
I’ll start at the top of the EOS lineup and work my way down.
By the way, Photokina is next September in Cologne/Koln, Germany. See you there!
*This is NOT fact*
I don’t think we’ll see this camera announced until 2012. I also see the amalgamation of the line has highly possible. If Canon has the technology to give big megapixels as well as frame rate. It makes no sense to produce two different bodies. I’m not sure if we’ve seen the last of APS-H, though I think it’s likely. I could see this body in the $5000-$6000 range.
5D Mark III/3D
The camera most of the planet wants to see announced and shipped now! I don’t think it’s likely to appear before the end of 2011.
If in 2012 the top tier of cameras is merged, there will be a price gap a 5D3/3D could move up to. Say, $3500. There could be a lot of advanced video features, big megapixels and an upgraded, but not pro body level AF system. I fully expect Canon to figure out a way to directly monetize the video features of DSLRs.
When? I’ve heard anytime between tomorrow and Photokina 2012.
One of the recent rumors has been the coming of a new full frame EOS body added to the lineup. It would be in the $2000 range. It would see a drop in megapixels from the 21 of the 5D Mark II and be solely designed for ISO performance. To meet the price point, I’d expect a modified 9 point AF (more crosstype sensors).
If the 5D3 moves up the latter in performance and price, a $2000 full frame camera at launch would be an industry first and a massive seller. Canon was the first company to break the $1000 price barrier with a DSLR, no reason they can’t do it again.
I can definitely see this as a possibility, though I’m not convinced of it yet.
*correction* The full frame Sony A850 launched at $2000 USD. Thanks for pointing it out.
7D Mark II
I think the 7D will make it all the way through 2012 and into 2013. What is there to improve on the camera? How do you really make it better enough to justify a new model? If Canon is spending a lot of resources on developing 3 new full frame sensors, I could see APS-C remaining relatively unchanged.
The biggest upgrade I think to the 7D will be a price drop over the next 12 months.
As with the 7D, there’s really no need to upgrade this camera. It will only be 2 years come Photokina, and the cycle of camera updates is slowing down.
It’s a good little camera that sells well. I think we’ll see it last into 2013.
More of the same here (a bit boring eh), I don’t see a new rebel in 2012 either. A domino in the APS-C line will have to fall before they all get an update. Using the same sensor in the 3 cameras is probably great for the bottom line. I can’t see them abandoning that mindset.
When Canon announces a mirrorless system, I think it’s going to be a standalone product. So it won’t be EF or EF-S compatible. I see Canon launching a unique product to their line, not more of the same. I think the low end of mirrorless cameras is a crowded world, especially with the rainbow of cameras Nikon just announced. So why add another bunch of cameras to the segment? I think the gold mine for Canon is convincing the North American market to buy a mirrorless camera. Their mirrorless camera. So it’s going to have to be different.
To be honest, I really have no great hypothesis of what they’re going to do. It’s something I’d have to think more on.
So that’s it, as of today, that’s the way I see the EOS lineup going. It’s based on some information I’ve received as well as some opinion.
I just wrote in the last post that I wouldn’t post detailed spec lists because they’re rarely, if ever true.
However, it looks like [NL] received the same email we did. I’ll post the spec list now for your entertainment.
5D Mark III
- Pro grade AF (not 7D like)
- 2 stops better ISO than 5D mk II
- Digic V
- 6 fps
- New video codec, not Raw. MPEG 4:2:2, new video functions such as tracking focus in video mode
- Compact body with improved weather sealed
- Same introduction price as the predecessor
1Ds Mark IV
- 54MP (no low pass filter)
- Decent 6400 ISO performance
- Same AF as 1D Mark IV
- 14 stops DR
- 16 bit Raw file (mode to be confirmed)
- Digic V
- Limited new HD video function in comparison with the 5D III
New GPS and wireless device accessories will be introduced around the same time.
Other bits of information from the same email.
- All current L lens can perform at the level of the 1Ds sensor resolution,there is no low pass filter in front of the sensor and there is digital on/off software switch to reduce moire.
- Video function in the new 1Ds is not as complete as the one on the 5D mk II and due the massive data reading of the sensor there is no MPEG 4:2:2 coded.
- It seems that in one of the prototype there was an option to shoot 16bit Raw files that this option cut down dramatically the fps.
- It’s rumored that Canon will also announced one zoom and 2 prime lens with the Ds camera.
As I said earlier, I’m not a big fan or believer of in-depth spec lists on cameras that are still more than a month away from announcement. If I didn’t post this, I’d get a ton of emails since it appeared on another popular rumor site. Rock and a hard place sort of thing.
Check the previous post for something I think is a bit more believable. I do hope some of you can point out any obvious flaws in this spec list that I have overlooked. Have fun!
1Ds Mark IV strikes again
There is a lot of information floating through my inbox recently. Sorting through what is true, what is a wish and what is old recycled information is what keeps this site from getting boring.
There have been a couple of known sources say there is a lot of “misinformation” or “fragmented information” out there. I dismiss highly detailed spec lists now, they’re just never true.
So why a post about a 1Ds Mark IV?
Well, new information has come from a few sources and when you put it all together, we may be getting somewhere.
Here is a breakdown of specs and features I have received.
1Ds Mark IV Speculations
- 30+ mp (most likely 32)
- 10fps (I have also heard 8)
- DIGIC V (No word on number of processors)
- 1D/1Ds Line Merged
- Announced around the 3rd week of October with an April, 2012 delivery
- The prototypes are/have been in the hands of Canon ambassadors
We did post recently that no DSLR would be coming in 2011, if I go by the above information, that’s still true with the April delivery. There can be grey areas with “announcement” and “delivery” when translating.
The first question I asked about the claimed MP and frame rate was; “Can you write to any cards that fast with 30+mp RAW files or would the camera have a giant buffer?” I haven’t heard back yet. I am also wondering if Canon figured out how to make a full frame sensor do 10fps. When speaking about APS-H in the 1D Mark IV, Canon themselves said they couldn’t recycle a full frame sensor fast enough to do 10fps. Hence Nikon’s 9fps on the D3/D3s.
Again, all of this is very vague and in my experience, vague is better.
From Art Wolfe’s Facebook Status
“I just wanted to extend an extra thank you to @Michael Gurley from Canon for bringing the keys to the candy store this past weekend for the workshop participants. Mike brought with him just about every Canon lens from the widest fish eyes, tilt shift, macro and on through through 800mm along with numerous backs including the new 1DS Mark 4. Everyone had a great time trying out new lenses and backs and we really appreciate it.”
Art would be a guy that would have an advanced look, I’m just not sure it wasn’t a typo. The NDA he’d be under would be strict.
Apparently Art updated his status to say “1D Mark IV”. Probably a typo………. The weird thing is he also removed the word “new”. Sometimes I randomly add the word “new” to sentences as
Art Wolfe’s friend who posted the Facebook status line has written in with a big apology for riling up the Canon masses with a post that was in error. They were using 1Ds Mark IIIs and 1D Mark IVs on their workshop.
He apologizes for the frenzy that has been created.
Lots came in
I have received a lot of small rumors throughout the week. There’s till life out there, even if there isn’t anything overly exciting.
I’ll break them down.
Apparently DIGIC V will be powering the next Canon DSLRs. We all expect better noise reduction and processing speed, however there is also a “brand new feature”. I’m still waiting to find out what that is.
PowerShot G12 Replacement
There will be no G12 replacement in 2011.
Most information I am receiving now seems to suggest there will be no DSLR announcement in 2011. There are definitely a lot of prototype bodies out there, we just won’t be hearing about them until 2012.
It was suggested this was to make sure Canon could meet the production demands that the Christmas and holiday seasons require.
It was also flatly said that “Canon will announce a new camera when it’s done, and not a minute before”. Canon has no desire to announce a camera and it not be available for 2-3 months.
The R&D is ongoing. There is no prototype cameras out to photographers though.
EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
Apparently in the October 2011 Popular Photography issue, they wrote a reference to an EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS II. I haven’t seen the magazine, but generally dismiss this sort of thing as a typo. I’ve never received solid info that the version II would have IS.
*UPDATE* As pointed out by a reader, any 24-70 with IS wouldn’t be designated with a “II”. I hate missing the obvious. :)
Back and forth
Everyone wants to know when Canon will announce their next camera bodies. I’m wondering the same thing. Daily, I am getting contradictory information. What this makes me believe is Canon doesn’t yet have an announcement date decided. The Japan disaster has had a deep and lasting effect on camera body production.
I’ve heard as early as October for a new DLSLR and as late as February. Some people are saying the 5D Mark III will be before the 1Ds Mark IV and others are saying it the other way around.
There is nothing solid I can pass on right now in regards to DSLRs, I just wanted to clear that up.
Which comes first………
The 1ds Mark IV or 5D Mark III?
Some people [NL] are being told the 1Ds Mark IV will arrive before the 5D Mark III based on known sources. I’ve been told the opposite by known sources. It’s still too early to say for sure it seems.
As mentioned above, a few “interesting” lenses would be arriving with the 1Ds4/5d3. I’ve heard similar things in the last month or so.
I’ve been told there will be a “massively popular” lens as well as 2 more specialized lenses before the end of 2012.
Lens rumors have always been harder to nail down, as I think manufacturing plays a big roll in deciding when a lens can be announced and released.
For now, sit tight. The next announcement is going to be for a couple more PowerShots, then the good stuff.