1Ds Mark IV Points (Direct Quotes) (CR1)
1. The announcement of 1Ds4 is coming in the very near future.
2. We are expected to see some breakthrough on 1Ds4 that we’ve never seen on any DSLR, such as the compatibility to USB 3.0.
5D Mark III (Direct Quote) (CR1)
1. The release of 5D3 depends on the successor of Nikon D700. That is, 5D2 has beaten D700 since it was released.
There’s no any other FF DSLR can compete with 5D2 in the current DSLR market; hence, for Canon, it’s not necessary to replace it recently.
*CR’s Note: Presumably this means the 5D2 has outsold the D700.
4. 5D3 will be equipped with better AF system, though it won’t be as good as the 19-point AF system like 7D.
5. 5D3 may not come before October, 2010.
EF-24-70 f/2.8L IS (CR2)
This info comes from a known source who’s been right a couple of times.
The new 24-70 is “done” and is in the hands of the marketing department for release. There is still no timetable.
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waw… I’m waiting for the 3 to be released… and hope especially for 5D Mark III, this year…
“5D3 will be equipped with better AF system, though it won’t be as good as the 19-point AF system like 7D”
I don’t believe this one.
as a camera the Nikon D700 has beaten the 5DII, 5DII is a hype with wannabe and/or poor videomakers.
If I were canon I would release the 5DIII and crush the competition. We know what nikon will do. They will make a D700s: same 12mp but better ISO and video.
Eh, in 2008, I wouldn’t believe that Canon would leave 5D Mk2 AF “as-is” from the 5D (sans added small stuff). Now I believe to such a rumor. Canon are still in mid-2000’s mentally.
The 50D had a better AF than the 5D Mark II. So this isn’t a stretch. For most purposes, does the 5D2 need the 7D AF? Or would it be fine with a 11pt system with more cross types?
Not far fetched, we know Canon. :)
A better spread of AF points would be nice.
Yeah I don’t believe it either. I’d expect them to put something between the 1Dmk4 and the 7D, equal to the 1Dmk4 or better
Although I appreciate this site, I wonder what the value is of these CR1 rumors. Is there any difference between those and the random predictions posted on photography forums, like in dpreview?
The D700 upgrade will have more MP. Nikon said they’re moving towards having a better compromise between resolution and high ISO.
Like i Said before
Canon is a reacting company
and this is good
5D3 Rumour is utter bullocks, complete nonsense!!
CR guy why do you post such stupid rumours and give them CR1.
Even you know this rumours is completely filled with crap.
All I can say it will at least have the same AF as 7D…
Second it will still be a while before we will hear more about this product. However its on the roadmap.
Also 5D3 release will have nothing to do with forthcomming Nikon equipment. We can draw our own roadmaps and don’t need Nikon for us to do it!
People have said the same thing about stuff that turned out to be true.
I remember the first time CR posted the 5D2 would be 21mp, people crucified him because it would match the 1Ds3.
“There’s no any other FF DSLR can compete with 5D2 in the current DSLR market; hence, for Canon, it’s not necessary to replace it recently.”
So in saying that competition is good, no matter how much of a fanboy or ridiculous obsession you have with a brand.
The more competition the quicker these cameras come out. e.g the broken trends of releases of other cameras.
Just imagine if no manufacturer made third party lenses for canon and nikon had slowed to a crawl. Geez… i’d be old by the time they’d released anything.
Yes, but somehow I seem to have more inside knowledge then the average guy. Meaby you should track my record on this forum. :)
Canon has no reason to replace their best-selling full-frame camera body – its a cash cow for them, and I’m sure the latest firmware update will continue to be fuel for this.
I can see new lenses coming into play, and I am really hoping for an ultra-wide zoom (12-24). As Canon doesn’t have anything in this range, the sales would be much more substantial than a refresh on an existing lens.
1. This sounds very believable. I think the idea of usb 3 capable 1Ds4 might support the notion of a raw video codec. This way the video could be transferred with relative ease to a hard disk while filming. Obviating the need for massive and expensive 32 and 64 gb memory cards. I also think it will help with the relatively large file sizes the 1Ds4 will be expected to produce. Can I keep my fingers crossed for 16-bit files?
2. I don’t think this rumor is far-fetched. Nikon will have to play their hand. Doesn’t mean that Canon can’t anticipate. And anticipation should include thinking about how to improve the AF functions along with the speed of the 5D2 and incorporate them into a 5D3. The rumor leaves open the idea of a segment above the 5D line that would receive the AF of the 7D, but I tend to believe that the differentiation will come in the form of sensor technology above all else. i.e. a potential 3D would receive the full enhanced sensor technology of the 1Ds4. The 5D3 would retain, maybe enhance, the sensor technology of the 5D2 but add improved AF and speed capabilities.
3. I hate Canon marketing so very very much. 24-70 2.8 IS needs to be released today. If the 70-200 2.8 IS II early reports are any indication of the advancements Canon continues to make in its L zoom technologies then the wide-to-mid-tele zoom will be a real winner. Might be the ultimate walk-around lens for strong arms.
I’m a pretty big fan of this website, but I think it’s a slow week and this post is crap. There’s no way Canon can get away with another crappy AF system in the 5D series. I’ve shot with the D3 and D700, and although ISO6400 does look better than my 5Dmk2, the thing I really envy is the Auto focus that my 5D doesn’t have. I’ve been loyal to Canon so far because 21Mpix > High ISO, and the price and quality of lens. If 5Dmk3 comes out with another Crappy AF system, I could see myself getting a D700S. Seems like Canon is raising prices on their lens too, almost as costly as Nikon.
I also find this strange… it is probably cheaper for Canon to just reuse the 7D AF sensor array as is in a hypothetical 5DIII than make a new one for it. And the 7D AF is still much farther away from the AF module of the 1 series than the D300/D700 AF is away from that of the D3(S/X) and that apparently didn’t hurt Nikon.
So adding the 7D’s AF to a 5DIII would still not threaten a 1Ds IV.
24mm-70mm IS…… Need I say more!!!!!!!
I don’t think that you could directly drop in the 7D AF sensor array, as it’s sized for a 1.6 crop sensor.
For example, the coverage of AF points over the frame of a 1Ds is reduced compared to a 1D (1.3 crop). Imagine how tiny the coverage of the 7D sensor array would be on a full frame sensor!
The 5DMk2 has beaten D700. That is well documented!
20th!!11
1. 1Ds4: It’s sad that the breakthrough feature is just USB3.0 compatibility. Is this for laughs or what?
2. The 5D2 beating the D700 sales despite its well-known shortcomings does not augur well for the 5D3. Read: great sensor+5D1 body.
3. Mr. Maeda should have been fired a long time ago for telling BS like “we never heard any complaints about the 5D1 AF system so we used the exact same module on the 5D2” and “the 40D/50D AF sensor module is too big to fit on the FF 5D2 body”.
4. Which means, Canon is still allowing for the possibility of a digital EOS-3: a fast FF, i.e. 5D2 sensor + 7D AF & features.
5. 24-70 IS would be released just before the next big photo event later in the year.
“That is, 5D2 has beaten D700 since it was released.”
WOW ADMIN!!! THATS SWEEEEET!!! and correct :]
I just had a good laugh. You are all dillusional if you think the 5D Mark II is actually better than the D700. It’s been pointed out in many reviews, it really only has two advantages, video and resolution. Everything else it gets owned by the D700.
D700 is a very complete camera for a professional photographer. I can say this time and time again but do photographers need video. I think Canon does it just to add to the potential market place of the camera to amateur videographers.
I don’t think Canon should be worrying about the upcoming D700s but maybe worry more about an 18mp D800 that will likely crush them. I don’t know how many people really have an ideal usuage for clean ISO 12,800 afterall lol.
I for one am waiting on the release of the Nikon D800 and the Canon 5D3, to see which way I will finally go….stay with Canon or go to Nikon. The Nikon D700 has pro level AF, if Conan does not meet that with at least the 7D AF, then I will surely be going to Nikon. To me AF is more important than MP.
But only because of video in the 5D2, and for video guys, it’s all manual focus, video does not rely on auto focus, the sad part is Canon may just take all those video sales as support for their crappy AF system.
“Compared to the Nikon it is harder to call, with the 5D Mark II having almost double the pixel count of the D700. At the pixel level there is very little difference in noise up to ISO 800, but you can see Canon applying increasingly high noise reduction from then on, meaning that by ISO 3200 the 5D Mark II’s resolution advantage has been wiped out and the the D700 steps into the lead, albeit by a whisker. ” quoted from dpreview
ISO seems alright. in fact downsizing the 21mp files to 12 mp above 3200iso yields similar results to the d700
only thing i can think of is the sluggish menus and the poorer AF on the 5dii that loses out significantly to the d700. although if Spoiler is correct, it’d be rectified in the 3rd version
The fact canon can create a sensor almost twice the nominal resolution of the d700 and yet maintain only slightly poorer noise performance says sth about their inhouse sensor technology.
IMHO Canon needs to worry more about their FF lenses. Nikon seems to be owning the UWA segment recently
OFF TOPIC: Wow, nice new website look CR guy, Congrats!
LOL, we spent $25,000 for this design… you like?
We’re working hard to figure out what was causing the site issue. I’ve reverted back to default status! Lets see if the issue is gone now.
The D700 AF, metering and the fact it has wireless flash control built in make it a pure winner with any photographer. Nobody really needs the 21mp for just about anything useful. I rarely use my D3x pictures to their full advantage.
Having owned a 5D Mark II I wasn’t overly impressed with it compared to my 1Ds. Just seemed to me canon wanted something cheap to impress the people with to keep them around.
Red theme please. Not blue, hehe. I was first in the 2nd of the test posts, hehe.
No, this is BAD. We should much prefer Canon to be proactive rather than reactive. To be reactive means they were caught off-guard.
A truly proactive approach with the 5D2 would have incorporated an improved autofocus system. Did they not see that Nikon would do so with the D700? After all, they already had this type of system with the D300, why wouldn’t it follow into the D700 as well? Or did they not expect the D700 at all? Caught napping either way. You may argue they were proactive with respect to the movie features (i.e. this was in development in the same timeframe as Nikon’s D90 movie mode). However, an upgraded AF system is a glaring omission. Resolution is a trade-off with frame rate, pick your poison. Personally I would have preferred a couple of additional frames per second at the expense of a few megapixels.
A 5D2 with 16 MP, 6 FPS and a 7D-like AF system would have been a much more proactive approach. We will have to see what the 5D3 brings, but I would be surprised if there is not an increase in resolution.
Can’t you read?
*CR’s Note: Presumably this means the 5D2 has outsold the D700.
Beaten in terms of sales, not in equipment collector paper specs or similar fanboi numbers.
the 5D Mark II is at least the equal of the D700 in image quality, but with almost twice the pixels. other than that, yes, the D700 wins on most items if matched up. but for a lot of people … that’s the key winning point of the 5D II, and all you need to know
>> Is there any difference between those and the random
>> predictions posted on photography forums, like in dpreview?
Yes, they appear here as CR1 rumors a couple of hours later.
I agree with you, the only thing the 5D2 has over the D700 is MP and video.
And I am sure , do to recent Nikon statements, that the D800 will be close to 18 MP….which for me would be perfect, enough MP, pro AF, small body, proper weather seals, probably dual cards, etc, and video.
Canon was very lucky with the 5D2 and video, without video the 5D2 would have lost 50% of it’s sales.
LULZ. Winnar.
I agree. Most people I see with cameras are outside shooting tourist attractions, sports events or landscape. In most of those cases, ISO over 400 is not required.
In less than ideal conditions, 800 or 1600 is required and when the conditions are poor, 3200. I can almost count the number of times I’ve needed 1600 or 3200 on my hands.
But what about indoor stuff at home and parties, you say? I say that clean ISO 3200 on a compact camera would be better than clean ISO 12800 on a DSLR for that purpose.
I think most serious Canon users right now are looking for lenses, not bodies.
if you’re a 1D user, you just got your upgrade. if you’re a 1Ds user, an upgrade is likely on the way but you might not even care since the 1Ds III is working fine. if you’re a 5D II user, it’s probably still doing its job great too. if you’re a APS-C user, you just got the 7D and T2i.
I’d be a little frightened if Canon went 12-24 … just not sure they could pull it off in terms of image quality. I’d settle for a strong performer in the 14-24 range
Well, as I am saving up for a 5D … shooting a 30D it will be an intresting wait…Hopefully they implement a 7D AF system…I am doing ultra low light photography, indoor…high ISO…but the 30D definitely gets to its limits. So fine ISO 6400 and usable ISO 12800 would be a big help.
$25,000… approx 3x1ds bodies! I like the change and, more than this… change returns success. But I expected the switch to be done on Sunday, at least that’s what you said. I had a minor issue with a reply which did not follow the appropriate post, but anyway, the site seems ok now.
Being a long-time Canon user, I must say that Nikon D700 is superior to 5DMK2 in almost every department except pixel density and video. I think it would be a grave decision for Canon to wait for D700s and then react. By the time they react, it would be a little too late to re-capture the market share and the bragging rights. I own a 7D and have played with the D300s. The Nikon still has an small edge on the AF system but not by much. If 5DMKIII cannot live up to the expectation in AF, you would see a lot of users defect to Nikon. Good lenses are holding up their value pretty well, especially prices have gone up in general. So it ‘s not that difficult to switch for those who take pictures for living.
This seems right.
Buyer remorse more like.
I do. Thanks for visiting from time to time. Hope they never catch you….
What have you heard lately about 1Ds4? Raw video? 16-bit files? AA filter-less? Improved DR? USB 3 support?
then maybe you should try to build the mkIII as a photo camera and not a video cam. or are you planning to build an older af into the cam? or reduce bkt to 2 images instead of 3 for marketing reasons :(
pwnage
Clean iso 3200 on a compact does not exist anywhere on this planet.
Kevin, you have no chance to survive make your time.
0wnDed.
Canon better hurry up, I’m jumping ship if Nikon gets a 35mm f1.4 out before Canon gets a small body, FF with good AF.
5dMk2 is superior to D700 in IQ and video, these are more important, anything else means little if IQ sucks. The old D2x, 1D2, 1Ds2, etc, has many things that are superior than the 5DMk2 except for IQ and of course HD video which means these features are the most important. D700 are basically similar to these older generation cameras but comes short in IQ of the modern big MP cameras. Now before Nikon fanboys start going on about low noise at high ISO, D700 has poor high ISO details, you know, swapped details for lower noise is no different than applying NR.
I always found that ISO 1600 was as far as I felt I could push my 40D without a noise plug-in. The 5DII I regularly push to 3200 and get by without only raw noise reduction… no plug-in required. I would have a hard time going back to a 50D or 7D for this type of work, although I’d still like to have a 7D for sports action and wildlife.
Likes this.
Its not a sport camera so it doesnt really need a AF system that stays on track absurdley well on moving objects.
I’m not worried about Canon’s successor or improvement to the 5D2. It will be great. Whether the features we want get implemented in a 5D3 or an eventual 3D remains to be seen.
My money is on a 3D first and then a 5D3. This will give current users a natural upgrade route without cannibalizing the 1Ds and 1D lines too much. The sooner the 1Ds gets released though the sooner we can start thinking about these other models and hopefully move along to lens innovations. I’m willing to pay if they are as good as the recent entries have been.
3D $4000 – 1Ds4 sensor, 6 fps, 1D4 – like pro AF, fully sealed.
5D3 $2400 – Improved 21 mpx sensor, 3.5 fps, 19 point AF, partial seals.
I don’t really need 19-points cross-type, I think even 5-7 points will do. In fact, FAST and ACCURATE is much more important than many many points.
“The release of 5D3 depends on the successor of Nikon D700. That is, 5D2 has beaten D700 since it was released.”
Dear Canon, do you think your only competitor is Nikon? Have you forgotten how many 5D2 buyers are videographers/filmmakers? Do you know RED video camera is also your competitor? When people move their interest into RED, they might just stay there because it’s definitely a better filmmaking camera than 5D2 which is based on still photography. If 5D3 can capture the market before RED does, maybe people will stay longer with Canon since they bought some lenses too. If RED comes first and people get comfortable with it already, then….we’ll see.
blah blah blah
Those morons at Canon are unbilivably resistant to logical arguments. You will see…
^^ Exactly!
Anyone that uses all 19pts is a moron! You have no control over what your focusing on.
Give me a wide spread with 7 accurate cross points on 1/3rds and I’m ecstatic.
BTW..Real Sports shooters use 1 point 99% of the time
The 50D most surely does not have a better AF system than the 5D2!
Maybe if you only ever use the outer points but the center point on the 5D2 is definitely better be it one shot or AI Servo tracking!
The rumor seems weird, there is not a lot of room between the 7D and 5D2 AF system really just the outerpoints so what would they do improve the outerpoints and reduce the center point quality, remove the center assist helpers?? hah. Only the scary thing is Canon does actually seem this dumb…. so….
But then again the rumor says the 5D3 won’t be out before fall ‘010, duh! Anyone seriously thing it would be out in the next couple of months? Heck fall ‘010 would probably be pushing it. Seems like too ridiculous of thing for a real rumor to say and it makes it sound like oct 10 would be a far off release date, no that would be a surprisingly, if anything, close release date.
Yes it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They don’t size them per sensor size.
Imagine how tiny the 7D AF would be on a FF? No need to image, go look at the 1Ds and 5 series, the points ARE way in the center compared to on the 7D! It’s the same exact relation.
Helper assists for the center point (at the least) are critical too though.
(Direct Quote) “There’s no any other FF DSLR can compete with 5D2”
I might believe this rumor if this goon could speak proper english
Yeah the rumor on the 5D3 sounds ridiculous for a number of reasons. The AF comment makes no sense and the way he talks about the timelines seems absurd.
Anyway I like what you are saying if it also goes along with an absolute minimum of 5fps and it really needs to match the 6.3fps of a 50D, 4fps is just terrible. And even more if it also goes along, as I’m sure it would, with Digic V and video that can be properly sampled so all the nasty artifacts of Digic IV video (some scenes there are barely there other scenes it’s pretty awful) will be disappeared hah, the artifacting is the one thing that truly holds the video back from being all that on the 5D2.
Clean iso400 doesn’t even exist hah!
Funny how I seen tons of ISO1600-6400 shots around everywhere.
21MP is not twice of 12MP, and it is not a linear measurement. Just my humble two cent.
If they tossed in a second digic and a better shutter/mirror they could’ve done 6fps at 21MP as is! A second digic doesn’t cost much anything, some more and faster memory buffer a bit and the shutter/mirror maybe a few hundreds extra.
With sales maybe not with the capabilities.
thus clarified by the “almost”. and, yes, I understand it is not a linear measurement. doesn’t mean it’s not a significant difference.
so true, in terms of compacts
I think, if you did a count of how many 5D Mark II’s are bought primarily for photography purposes, versus for primarily videography purposes … photography would dominate by a large margin. I’m not saying people don’t use it for video, but most people using the video function are still buying it first and foremost because it’s a sweet camera
How do you know he can’t? Maybe it’s just the writing that’s bad.
Did you check RED’s prices?
Will it have hybrid IS like the new 100mm f/2.8L macro?
Well all you people waiting on the 24-70 IS should be happy. I got tired of waiting and bought the ef-s 17-55 f/2.8, so the 24-70 will probably be coming out shortly. Although so far (just got the lens today) I’m pretty happy with it and hope I don’t run into the dust issues other people seem to complain about. Plus the 24-70 IS will probably be double the price of this.
It’s not a sports camera? I have 3 friends, shooting only with 5D Mark II, mostly sports and they love it. They don’t care about those that complain about AF. They rarely get out of focus shots and most of them are perfect for newspapers. We use their shots on hockey games, small soccer fields and basketball. They love it.
So those that have never had a 5D Mark II in your hands, don’t say its auto focus is bad. Not meant for you max, I don’t know about you.
Nobody needs 21MP?
Why would you say that..There are people that need more than 40 megapixels, because sometimes client want it. There are many people that need more than 12 megapixels.
It’s like saying no one needs ISO 51,200..
1. The announcement of 1Ds4 is coming in the very near future.
Thank you for your rumour Captain Obvious.
2. We are expected to see some breakthrough on 1Ds4 that we’ve never seen on any DSLR, such as the compatibility to USB 3.0.
Oh gosh, really? Thank you again Major Apparent.
Cone on Mr. CR, what is the point of posting something like that? It’s really lame.
Nope there isn’t.
550D review: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T2i-550D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx
I have the 17-55 2.8 IS and have used it nearly every day for over a year. I have not had an issue with dust, and this lens is very sharp, lighter, less expensive and a better zoom range than the 24-70 for APS-C. You bought the better lens in either case.
The 24-70 is only better if you are using FF. I’ve just bought the 5DII, so I may get the 24-70 IS when it comes out, bought I wouldn’t consider if I didn’t have FF. I’ll only sell my 17-55 2.8 IS if I find I’m not using it anymore after the move to full-frame.
Question: what would have better low-light performance then… a f1.4 without any stabilization or a 2.8 with IS. i have the current 24-70… ive been debating selling the 24-70 and getting the 35 1.4 or the 50 1.2 mainly because i do wedding photography as well as night photography. but with the 24-70 IS comingout, im wondering what performs better in low light.
i remember having the 17-55 2.8 IS and remember being able to hand hold in pretty dark situations. if anyone can clarify, i would greatly appreciate it.
thanks in advance.
Your 3D sounds more like what the 1Ds IV will be.
I’m thinking (wishing?) it’ll be more like the 5D3 will have a 1Ds IV sensor, and 3D with an 18 MP full-frame at 8 fps. So those would be the cheaper/smaller versions of the 1D and 1Ds (ultimate sports and studio cameras).
Many people who have complained to Canon about the runaway MP increases have been told that they are heading towards more MP in full-frames. So, while other parameters will go up, so will MP.
Nikon will be increasing MP too (although not as far as Canon), but I feel that Canon would be better off focusing on better high ISO and speed instead (at least for my uses).
Pointless post.
Engineering a new model like the 5diii is a huge project, and the timeline I am sure was established a while ago. I believe both Canon and Nikon release according mostly to their own schedule, rather than what each other is doing.
If Nikon releases the D700 successor and it is blows away the 5dii (unlikely) then it’s not like Canon can turn on a dime and move up its development that much, nor can they all of a sudden stuff a bunch of new or improved features into it, without lengthening its development time.
I don’t buy the fact that Canon is waiting on the Nikon release to dictate its timeline for the 5diii. I do buy the fact that the 5dii has outsold the d700, and thus there is no market pressure for Canon to update quickly. I still believe the most likely timeframe for the 5diii is mid to late 2011, right on schedule.
Maybe, but I wouldn’t like to see the cost. That will add at least $500 to it.
If i remember, Canon stated that the 5DIII development started as soon as the 5DII was being shipped. So it’s early dev was done over a year and a half ago.
I hope Canon dosn’t follow the previous 5D design plan with the MkIII, basically use the same MP as the same generation 1Ds, but put it in a XXD body shell and limit the fps to 4.
I’d be happy for the same sensor or a mild increase to 24mp. But boost the fps to 5-6 but add a really good AF system (like the 7D) but optimised for fast prime accuracy (85IIL etc). But still allow the interchangable View finder screens (Eg-S etc), which is the big problem with the 7D.
CMON Canon get the EF-24-70 f/2.8L IS out NOW. This lens is a must have.
Oh, the only thing I and I am sure Jeff Ascough wants from the 5DIII is dual card slots.
ok looks like 1ds4 and new 24-70 will be announced together
just logical.
to see that canon might change their game to a reaction company is also logically.
look back at when the 1dsIII got announced and a few days later when the nikon D3 …nobody cared for the Canon anymore.
even though they both are not in the same league, probably due to the 1DIII desaster.
sometimes its better to be the 2nd to react
Wont more AF points enable you to focus “as is” instead of focus then re-composition?
Well spread of AF points is limited in part to distance from the center optical axis which doesn’t change in any format fyi. In fact I even remember seeing a diagram of the 5d II AF array layed over a 50d AF array (in this diagram they were being compared in actual spread not relative to viewfinder size) and the 50d points where just slightly more spread out.
So really the 5d II’s spread of AF points is at best as wide as the current crop camera’s. I would still imagine some redesigning is needed to put the AF sensor of the 7d into a full frame implementation, but I doubt the spread of focus points has much to do with it.
I’d be disjointedness if the AF of the 5dIII didn’t at least get knocked up to par with the old xxd line which have all cross types and preferably to the level of the 7d… Also that on demand grid feature would come in handy.
In what world is the 5D Mark II better than a D700. You need to stop kidding yourself if you think it is. Seriously it’s only advantage are mp and video which in all reality with the poor metering and AF of the camera don’t mean much if they can’t utilize them perfectly. I had constant issues with the AF on my 5D Mark II. I find the points aren’t spread far enough and really aren’t sensitive enough. Overall I couldn’t stand the 5D Mark II. I thought it was a camera designed and manufactured simply to save Canon from losing more ground to Nikon.
I’ve also done wickedly sharp prints at 24″x36″ and even larger with my D700 so I can honestly say 12, 21, 25, 32 mp won’t make the biggest deal to most people in a practical setting and if your clients require a 40mp camera for whatever application they should be willing to pay for somebody with a proper medium format body.
IT’s still a good camera but it has many holes in it’s design to say the least. I will state right now that the 5D Mark III will use the exact same sized sensor. Don’t start thinking canon is going to give you a 32mp 5D Mark III. I think they learned their lesson already as the sales of the 1Ds Mark III have absolutely tanked.
I’m a firm believer this is also why Nikon won’t release a D700x aka 24mp D700. they don’t want to compete against themselves.
Truth be told if Nikon does release a D700x I would suspect we’ll see Canon losing a significant number of 5D Mark II shooters.
A camera that has 24.5mp, 51 point af, amazing metering, hopefully mid level video quality, with proper weather sealing oh and did I mention it can act as a flash commander to fire slaves wirelessly. Honestly that is the reason I don’t think the D700x will happen. It would be a near perfect camera for most people.
In a perfect world Nikon would make a D700s and a D700x to make us all happy. I’d buy both and sell my D3s and D3x lol.
Ok, you’ve made your point. 3 posts in this comments page. the D700 wins. thank you. goodbye sir. The blind, foolish, misguided, bamboozled and hoodwinked masses have succumbed to the marketing magick of canon’s subliminal messeging department. In no world is the 5d Mark II better than a D700. we need to stop kidding ourselves.
“I’m waiting for the 3 to be released”
Cool.. the mythical 3D makes its first appearance.. only few more myths for the Wishlist Bulls*it Bingo!
Please do feel free do put your thinking cap on for a while. In the Canon line up the lower then number the more “pro” and high-market is the camera. The 1D line is the top dog, 5D is the pro line, 7D is a pro camera with smaller sensor, xxD is the prosumer line, xxxD is the amateur/advanced amateur line.
How exactly do you imagine your mythical 3D to slot into this line-up? Assuming that Canon will not changes its designation system 3D can either be a FF camera with features sitting between 1Ds and 5D (I don’t really see how one could make such a camera) or possible, and more likely I think, it would be a cheaper version of 1D.
90% of those or more using the 5D Mark II have never used a D700 so they wouldnt know would they. That’s the only way to tell. Not going off what a person tells you. One thing I can say, I thought the color in the 5D Mark II was better than the 1Ds MIII.
Holy Crap you are ardent in your crusade of bashing the 5D mark ii arent you. you risk sounding like a nikon fanboi :]
wonder what goes up in the rarefied air of canon executives. given the huge clamour of forum stompers like you asking for a low MP FF cam with good AF and iso performance you wld think they wld notice but no.
hm. unless they ARE selling more 5Ds than D700. then ‘professional’ opinions like yours arent worth crap.
It’s not about making you or some other single person happy, it is about making a camera that sells to a lot of people and competes against what is being offered by other manufacturers.
Given the rate at which the 5D2 flew off the shelves, you have got to admit that their strategy worked for that camera even when people (like yourself) said they did not want it.
So until Canon fails with their strategy, they have no reason to change it.
Canon or Nikon. You choose. Just take photos. What is talking smack about a camera company going to get you?. I mean, Its pointless. Wheater Canon or Nikon both companies make cameras that take great photos. So all this trash talking on fourms is pointless……really now…
By people taking what sort of photographs? Testing out their “high ISO” capability or because that was what was required to “get the shot”? And what percentage of the total number of photographs do those 1600-6400 photos make?
I’d prefer to have ISO 3200 at ISO 400 quality on a 5D2 than to have ISO 12800 like the 1D4 or D3(s).
Give me a flat line in terms of image quality numbers for ISO 100-3200 and then we’re talking. Check the DxO graphs to see what I mean.
Above that, I don’t care on a DSLR.
Of course if they can flatline ISO 100-3200 then it stands to reason that 12800 should be very usable but I see that as a by product, not an end result.
Last I checked Nikon has the lead in the professional market share over Canon if you want to nit pick. Canon needs a solid camera to retain their base and maybe even make up some lost ground.
I feel many photographers such as myself won’t go back to Canon simply because the camera system was proving to be too unreliable. I went through 3 different 1Ds Mark III bodies in a single year all with different issues and that’s when I said enough was enough.
The 5D Mark II has also had a lot of units failing where as they really shouldn’t be if the camera was built rock solid like more pros demand.
As I said it’s still a solid camera. I just feel comparing it to the D700 is rather unfair. The D700 is a more complete camera for a photographer where as the 5D Mark II offers video and resolution.
I get the feeling most went out and bought the 5D Mark II simply because it had 21mp thinking it would make them instantly better. The fact is and remains they have printed billboard sized photos from both a D700 and 5D Mark I aka 12mp cameras and in both instances they looked fine. It just makes one start to wonder how much resolution we really need. I know I don’t want anymore than the 24.5mp I have in my D3x.
When they start pushing 32-36mp pro bodies it’s going to start to get a little nuts. They will have issues competing with themselves, both nikon and canon eventually. This is also why I am quite confident the 5D Mark III is going to have the exact same sensor with maybe a smidge better ISO control.
I so believe this.
This is exactly what Canon would do.
Given the track record of the autofocus in 5D and 5D MK II.
Why do you think the autofocus will be at least as good as the 7D.
It hasn’t in the past.
Even the 40D had better autofocus that the 5D MK II.
Canon won’t give an inch if it thinks it can screw another camera sale out of us or save a few pennies.
The only world that matters to Canon, sales.
I see where you’re going, but bah, my 1Ds4 is vastly superior, and it comes out long before the 3D. I expect the “3D” to have an AA filter and be a 14-bit machine.
32 mpx sensor
16 bit color files
no AA filter
6.5 fps
Raw video
Dynamic cropping
Clean ISO up to 12800
11 stops of DR
I don’t think it’s just the autofocus, like the 7D and 1D series they both give a crop for reach and have faster fps to capture the action to qualify them with a higher emphasis on action/sports shooting.
UWA zooms = nikon
UWA primes = canon
The credibility on this site seems to be slipping. It seems we are being feed nonsense for the sake of something to write. Time to re-check those sources eh? How many times can you flip-flop on information? It’s maddening. I understand it’s a “rumor” site but those “rumors” should fair true once in a while, right? I vote for a widget on the site that shows the accuracy of all the rumors.
BTW, Canon, stop jerking around with the 1Ds MK4, release it already! Nikon is looking better every day.
Buyers remorse eh? If you are so happy with your D700 why don’t you bugger off and be happy rather than spent time here? If I want a small MP videoless camera with so so IQ but improve AF and build quality I could buy an old 1D or 1Ds camera that is 6-8 years old.
BTW 5DMk2 can shoot in sRAW1 and sRAW2 with less noise but still higher details than D700 so this argument is mute.
Nikon’s boss recently said that they made the wrong move by not addressing MP size.
You are right, it is not intended to be a sports or wildlife camera. But, lots of people buy one hoping what they were told was wrong, and then complain.
I was one of the first to get mine, and knew it was not a sports camera, but the autofocus works fine, and focuses in low light better or equal to any other Canon camera, including my 1D MK III which is a backup to the 5D MK II.
Yeah right, in your dreams fanboy.
You’re right, 14-24 would probably be a better option for them. Looking at what is available there is the 16-35 and 17-40 each with their ups and downs (not considering the 14 prime and 17 TS-E because of their lack of filter use) Canon doesn’t have a de-facto perfect wide-angle lens. I am hoping this is coming.
Last time I checked Canon white lens outnumbered Nikon lesn by 5 to 1 in major sporting events such as the Winter Olympics, F1, etc.
Medium format cameras used by pros uses large MP for good reasons and the 5DMk2 IQ comes close to it than D700 could ever hope for.
Sales figures tells a different story everyday.
The 5DMk2 looks better every day, fact? Oh yes!!!!
“Truth be told if Nikon does release a D700x I would suspect we’ll see Canon losing a significant number of 5D Mark II shooters.”
Truth be told you are way off base. Assuming that D700x would be a lot better than 5DII Canon could loose some potential customers who would otherwise buy the Canon offering but it’s unlikely to loose people who are already using 5DII. You seem to be operating under a silly assumption that people jump from one brand to another as soon as a new and improved model is released. That might be the case with amateurs who upgrade every few years and have little more than a kit lens but it is definitely not true in case of people who have build up a collection of lenses and accessories.
Right, Canon is crap, Nikon is king. Thank you for out input, please leave the site if you have nothing else to contribute.
This question is in any way connected to the topics discussed here, please ask questions like that on dpreview.com or the-digital-picture etc
1. 1Ds4: It’s sad that the breakthrough feature is just USB3.0 compatibility. Is this for laughs or what?
– Just throwing up ideas, but that’s better suited for RAW HD streaming for those that want to tether their systems. If not, my card reader is plenty fast enough.
You should get your head out of your ass. The Canon 5D Mark II IQ is nothing special. Comparing it to medium format is a joke. The king of DSLR IQ is the D3x and likely still will be even after the 1Ds Mark IV is released. The IQ on the 5D Mark II is less than spectacular and just about every single review done of the D700 vs the 5D Mark II give the D700 the edge in every single category with the exception of video and resolution.
Most pro photographer’s don’t care about the video, it’s a bonus to have. It is useful for marketing to videographers. Will I make extra money since the camera can take video, no. Some might but I doubt most will.
For the past few years now Nikon has enjoyed a decent edge in Market share versus Canon simply because they are rolling out complete products. Seriously a D700x would push many to the Nikon camp with the advantages Nikon has to offer over Canon.
I’m simply here to provide input to many people that are getting frustrated with the same BS from canon. They don’t deliver the products that the consumers want. If they did the 5D Mark II would have way better metering and way better AF. Having owned both camera systems I know the pros and cons of both and there are much bigger advantages.
I mean come on how many of you wouldn’t love that 5D Mark II if it had 51 AF points and had wireless flash control built in.
You realize it has something like 2% of the market share overall with DSLR sales right?
I could care less about wireless flash control built in. And i don’t need 51 auto focus points for my line of work. All i need are my radio poppers, my L glass, and my alien bee’s. My canons gets the job done. Shooting photos at weddings to automotive photography. Common now. Alot of people are getting the job done with Canon cameras. it’s not like if i had Nikon gear i would never miss a shot. At the end of the day it’s the photographer not the camera.
> Canon better hurry up, I’m jumping ship
go jump now — who cares?!
People can say what they want about Canon. They make good cameras which takes great phtoos. Seeing those white len’s won’t change when you watch sporting events……
Or maybe he is, y’know, a non-native english speaker engineer, like say, Canon engineers?
Why would anyone come in here and waste so much time on endless subject?
Let it go and let it be already.
BTW, 24-70mm IS sounds pretty good!!!! although they really need to work on fater AF on 5D ><
Yes and again how much do radio poppers cost? I use them with my D3x but I’d love to not use them at all. The AF points are hardly adequate. The fact they have so few is one issue. The fact they aren’t spread out well is another.
To say the D700 is not a more complete system would just be foolish. There are a lot more people than you would suspect that are on the fence between going with Nikon or Canon. These are typically the more uneducated people that simply believe that Camera A or B will make a significant difference in their images even though they won’t.
I just wish either canon or nikon could incorporate wireless flash using something other than line of sight infared.
A D700x/D800 with the D3x sensor (24.5Mp) will push me there?!
But all i really need is a 7D with 12-14Mp that’s fast and good in low light. So Canon watchout for the D400.
Both CR1 rumors regarding cameras hold little credibility. Can be dismissed.
On the other hand, the info about 24-70 f/2.8 IS is the REAL Nikon killer. Why Nikon introduced FX 24-70 f/2.8 and DX 17-55 f/2.8 lenses withOUT VR is totally beyond me. Instead, they chose to compromise the optical quality of their 16-35 f/4 lens with VR when it’s less needed. Weird.
Surely you mean can speak English properly…..hmmmm, funny how perception of correct depends on your education, culture and location isn’t it.
Red Scarlet full system with 8x optical zoom lense is 4750. But you can also buy body only, and then mount it with Canon or Nikon lenses (or, of course, RED lenses).
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10406925-1.html
Imagine, 5D2+ a Canon 8x zoom lense is how much?
The consideration is this:
Fullframe vs. 2/3″ but a true video camera that output RAW video with 3K resolution.
When I’m doing landscape stuff, metering is all about manual settings in order to get maximum exposure without blowouts, so that I get maximum detail to work with later. Same for studio (although there are other considerations too.)
Street and event photography are different.
I’m not waiting for 3D, just for the 3 things from this post :)
The 5D2 AF system is IDENTICAL to the “old” 5D: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-II-DSLR-Digital-Camera-Review.aspx with AF points tightly clustered around the center of the frame: http://blog.duncandavidson.com/2008/09/the-5d-mark-ii-af-angst.html
The 50D has all cross type sensors sensitive a f/5.6 and larger as well as a center point which acts as a double cross sensor with lenses with an aperture of f/2.8 and larger: http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/Eos_50D/Index.asp
Tell me how exactly the 5D2 AF array is better than the 50D?
I’ll keep it simple: regarding the 52D vs 50D AF system, do some reading up. The 50D is clearly more advanced.
I had typed up a long reply with links, but the forum magically “disappeared” it.
Well because I’ll burst your bubble. The current 24-70 from Nikon is already leaps and bounds better than the Canon 24-70. The 24-70 was one of my favorite lenses when I was shooting with Canon and when I switched to nikon it was simply shocking.
The nikon version is much smaller, a lot sharper and focusing is precise. The canon version has always had the issue with back focusing and as good as the lens is, it’s not nearly as sharp as the nikon version. If anything it’ll make the two rather equal. IS is really a mute point since on lower focal length lenses it’s usefullness is questionable at best.
If anything canon needs to come back with some higher quality wide angle lenses as that is one thing that attracted me to Nikon in the first place.
I still think Canon is in a lot of trouble though. IT’s not going to be easy selling a 32mp $9,000 camera when there is a $2500 alternative. If people already don’t care about having a crappy AF they aren’t going to care once the 1Ds gets released. I’m seriously predicting the sales figures will be nothing short of horrible.
1d mark IV will be released with 24-70mm F2.8 IS in april.
60d may be released on the same date or my get an Aug release.
these are my predictions.
The Canon 24-70 is an old lens while the Nikon 24-70 is NEW and lacks VR. Short sighted.
The ONLY good Nikon ultrawide lens is the 14-24 f/2.8. That’s it. Their recent ultrawide releases including the FX 16-35 and DX 10-24 are DUDS.
As for sales figures, there’s your prediction as a fanboy and there’s reality. We’ll soon know how badly Nikon did in 2009.
Yes I know…my studio has a pair of 5DII’s and a pair of 5DmkI’s
Post BS, Drive Traffic, Collect Money = the new Canon Rumors
This CR1 BS is getting as bad a forum dream list.
If the 5D III does not have equivalent or equal AF to the 7D, I’m done with Canon. Having used a friends D700 indoors LL, it blew away my 5D, and once I saw they didn’t upgrade the AF on the 5D II, there was no way I was going to upgrade.
Sorry but this is becoming a joke.
I’ll keep it even simpler, I’ve shot high-level college cup soccer matches and surfing competitions with both the 50D and 5D2 and the 5D2 AI Servo AF definitely does better no question about it! I’ve also taken thousands of one shot mode at f/2.8 or under and the 5D2 gets the focus perfectly nailed more often than the 50D does, no question about it.
The only time the 50D does better is when using the outer points and speed is of the essence since the outer points are not as prone to get stuck hunting and they react quicker than those on the 5D2. I mostly tend to use centerpoint though.
one would hope the 5D2 would at least get up to 6.3fps though
40D AF stinks compared to 5D2 AF unless you only use outer points and even then it’s not really any more precise it is just a bit more responsive and less likely to get stuck hunting.
Use the center point for either ai servo or one shot and the 5D2 pulls away easily.
Again it depends.
The 5D2 has a heck of a lot more reach for wildlife/sports and tosses a hell of a lot more detail on landscape/studio photos.
5D2’s video is not necessarily a minor point, for some it may be a large plus.
The D700 is a heck of a lot faster and more responsive though and has somewhat better low ISO DR (and perhaps very marginally better high iso performance, but the resolution difference IMO is MUCH more significant than any potential high iso differences).
If you don’t care about video, don’t need reach and don’t care too much about total detail captured then the D700 is world’s better, but there are quite a few ifs there. The sad thing is Canon could easily have made a 5D2-like camera with the performance of the D700 and been way, way ahead of Nikon in all respects (aside from maybe lowest iso DR).
D700 also has built-in flash/flash trigger and some other body extras too.
Now that we are at the 21MP FF level I seriously hope CAnon focuses a bit more on upping the fps on the 5D3 than the MP count. 4fps is just pathetic! I’d rather have 24MP and 6.3-8fps than 32MP and 4fps any day!
OTOH would i rather have had only 12MP and 8fps of the nikon or 21MP and 4fps of the canon, a much trickier call.
Agree 100% give us at least 6.3fps first before you bump the MP any more. We need a small FF that is not so darn pokey!
Canon once the only FF player is the only one with only pokey FF.
And ++ on the AF stuff you mention and ++ on the VF screen
I wish you ran Canon hah!
Yes, it is a linear measurement.
24mp is exactly twice the pixels as 12mp. 24 million is 2 times 12 million. 21mp is 1.75 times 12 million, and it’s close enough that I can call that “almost twice the pixels.”
The _image resolution_ difference of a 12mp sensor and a 21mp or 24mp sensor of the same ratio is not linear. Perhaps this is what you meant in your failed pedantry, jak.
The current 24-70 is selling for 1249.99 @ B&H. If you do the ratio of price increase of the new 70-200 vs. the old one the price comes out to 1736.11. I bet that guess is within 50 dollars. I listed my 24-70 on ebay today for 999.99 fixed price, it sold in 2 minutes! i paid 1150 for it 2 years ago, so the way i look at it i paid 6.25 per month to use the lens. My guess is the new 24-70 will have the HIS, it will help justify the 1749.00 price tag.
> Post BS, Drive Traffic, Collect
> Money = the new Canon Rumors
>
> This CR1 BS is getting as bad a
> forum dream list.
Let’s see… then why are you still checking this website and even leave comments? Who’s the idiot here?
> I’m done with Canon
I don’t think anyone cares. Just be done with anything about your life too.
D700 -> better autofocus, higher FPS with battery grip.
5DMark2 – > better performance at ISO 100-400, equal performance over that after resizing and noise reduction.
CANON NEEDS TO FRICKIN STOP RAISING THE MEGAPIXELS. WHAT’S NEXT, A REBEL WITH 21 MP? JESUS CHRIST CANON!!!
I lol’d
I do not believe the 16-35 is a DUD, an ultra wide angle zoom alternative that will allow you slap frontal filters is a godsend if its claims of sharpness are comparable to the 14-24.
Canon has high quality wide angle primes, just the zooms are lackluster.
i was searching online, and it seems like he made the same comment about 24-70 IS 2 years ago.. funny.
It’s absolutely mind-boggling to me that Canon won’t upgrade the AF system on the 5D when it is so far behind even other lesser quality Canon bodies like the 7D.
My guess is if they weather sealed the MK3 and gave it a proper AF system, it would hurt EOS1 sales. ? However, I would also guess that Canon makes a lot more $ from selling 5D bodies than EOS1 on sheer volume.
Nikon has about a 1/2 stop more sensitivity in AF and bit more dynamic range; sometimes a full stop. Unfortunately its the compromise Canon has accepted and I can’t imagine that being their priority at the moment.
On the other hand, we’ll have 25MP point and shoots in a few years…
So where’s the 24-70 with IS? All the predictions seem to have been wrong…I guess I just don’t understand the lag in getting this lens out to paying customers. What is Canon thinking?