Not everything is negative
The xxD line of cameras was expected to be on a 1 year product cycle after the launch of the 50D a year after the 40D.
One more person piped up this evening and said everything isn’t doom and gloom. Still expect a 50D successor sometime in the fall. The 40D will be done away with and the 50D will remain a current model. There was no information as to whether or not it would be a APS-C camera or not.
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I wouldn’t hold my breath for any SLR replacement in 2009, apart from a new Rebel/1xxx ;)
why replacing cameras – what’s wrong with the existing models?
I’ve always been wondering why people are so interested in the latest and greatest while there are so many good choices around.
50D is not too bad and 5D II is simply a fantastic camera for the price.
For selling the equipment it is much better to have longer product cycles rather then too short ones.
I’d love to see lesser and lesser new models and thus an improved degree of maturity for the new models.
The rushing into the market only leads to inconsistencies in many ways. Give them time to do it right the first time. I’d love to see my 5D II getting a good price on ebay in three years from now when I buy maybe a 3D with improved features.
Get your 40D while you still can.
50d is a good camera, The only upgrades Canon can do is video, better weathersealing and more advanced autofocus system. So they dont really have to update soon, unless the 60d has a APC-H cmos or full frame? Then I will buy it and keep my 40d as a backup.
if canon puts more MPs in it, they’ll be making it a non-upgrade.
let’s hope for something more D300-ish… which would mean weather sealing and flash commander.
If Canon follows the D300 for their 50D upgrade, they will be able to attract a huge number of buyers and upgraders. And that is precisely Nikon’s goal: to win market share. However, this may also adversely affect sales of future upgrades. I am certain current D300 owners are probably reluctant to upgrade their cameras unless they have some compelling reason to do so. Nikon must also have learnt a painful lesson when buyers purchase the D700 instead of the D3.
As a consumer, I will be more than happy if Canon is willing to pack the features of the 1D series camera into a small, cheap camera like the D300/D700. :D
Quote: “The xxD line of cameras was expected to be on a 1 year product cycle after the launch of the 50D a year after the 40D.”
Expected by whom? This site is the only placed I’ve heard anyone assume that. So far we’ve seen one eception from the usual 18 month cycle for the xxxD and xxD models. Still you refer to 12 months repeatedly as the “new cycle time”. It would be interesting to know the source.
Well, it was true until the economy forced it to change again. The source was one of the better ones.
It is beyond me as to what sort of person pays twice the price for a 50D over a 40D…for what? 10MP is the perfect size for a camera of this level. The 50D, whilst not being a dog, is the most pointless ‘upgrade’ ever introduced by Canon.
As someone else said – Get your 40D’s now before they discontinue them. The 40D also represents great second hand value.
Nikon actually gains quite a bit more from those who chose D700 over D300 ;)
At least these are the feeling I’ve got from my nikon counterparts.
It’s not twice the price, it’s about $300 more. And I’m sure many people are sold the newer model on that incredible VGA LCD alone. Too bad the image quality wasn’t better.
Here’s my perspective, and it won’t apply to everyone who does this, but last year I almost bought a 5D in the late summer, but made excuses because there were rumors that the Mark 2 would be around the corner.
Thing is, I was so busy with work, I didn’t have much time to do personal shooting, so I used the new product cycle to give myself an excuse to not make time to shoot.
Sometimes it’s easier to discuss photography on boards while at work or in the dead of night than it is to actually shoot (hence my New Years’ resolution). I’m sure there’s a lot of people out there who are the same.
What about the time cycle for the xD series ?
– For instance, the 5D ?
Any rumor or info about that ?
– Nothing about a 3D either ?
Thanks !
Of course Canon will present a 50D successor in the fall. Canon must place something against Nikons D300, D90 and the brand new D400 (presentation in the next 1-3 months). Otherwise Canon would get very bad press and loose every product comparison in every photo magazine.
Guys,
To me what Canon could propose as a 50D MKII or 60D interesting upgrades are the following :
– Better AF (more spots) like nikons does
– 98% Viewfinder
– Chroma and distortion corrections as new menu options
– Larger CMOS, why not 1.5 Crop instead of 1.6 like now (to reduce noise level)
– More usable Full HD Video mode for some occasions (gadget but funny)
– Better Weather sealing
– New battery like 5D MKII
– A GPS for more detailed exif informations
I own a 40D, i’am happy with it until Canon releases something reaaly NEW and sexy not like the 50D….
My 2 cents
I don’t understand why Canon hasn’t come up with a flash commander system yet. Is ST-E2 selling that well?
AF microadjustment. That feature is VERY useful.
I think the challenge Canon will have, if they do not come out with a replacement for the 1D(s) and just start upgrading the 50D and 5D Mark II, is over running the features of the existing 1D with the lower end bodies. They can try to keep the other models lower in features then the 1D but it looks like they tried that with the 5D Mark II (focusing and weather sealing) and there has been some backlash.
I agree they need to keep the economy in mind but I don’t think it’s as easy as just don’t upgrade the 1D.
must be. i bought one as well once… and quickly sold it right after i found it to be minimally useful for my applications.
The camera manufacturers are seeing orders dry up. The usual tactic is to put on big sales, or offer special models with gold trim, to hopefully stimulate sales. What I do not expect to see is investment in expensive tooling for significant new models where breaking even is in doubt.
Canon certainly has the cash reserves to do this, but why would they want to.
I would rather see new or upgraded lenses than more new camera models. Lenses have a relatively long product life, and there is, I believe, a market for better ones.
I agree with this and feel like Canon are in trouble. Their product line has them boxed in in ways that are not conducive to competing with Nikon’s bodies. The one camera they have that offers something truly compelling right now is the 5DMkII b/c it’s an oddball and doesn’t fit within the canon line, at least within a cost to features to benefit analysis. Super high pixel count, low noise, full frame, at a reasonable cost. Nikon’s line makes much more sense. What has to happen, imo, is that Canon has to update their 1D series and their xxD series simultaneously. Canon needs to take their xxD series in a very dramatic direction and haven’t in some time.
60D
Canon should market a 60D at two types, pro-sumers who want a great camera with the latest and greatest, and outdoor shooters. Outdoor shooters need reach, they appreciate a smaller form factor, and appreciate the weathersealing that comes with a 1 series body. A larger viewfinder would of course be welcome and a more advanced autofocus to boot for tracking BIF. For the prosumer generalist, the 60D should be a 16 megapixel machine (check on the megapixel increase for the latest and greatest crowd), could include video (check 2 for the latest and greatest crowd), and possibly an articulating lcd (check three). Keep low light levels the same, faster processing with digic V and at least 6 fps and Canon has a winner. I’d say $1699 and we have ourselves a deal.
1DIV
Canon just needs to do all the things that they know they need to do with this one for sports and action shooters. Super accurate and fast more advanced autofocus. Keep the 1.3 crop for reach. Probably 12-14 megapixels tops. Fully weather sealed. 100% viewfinder. Video? Why not put a 3.5 inch screen on there (there’s room). 15-20 fps speed demon. Advanced battery system–chants for fuel cell.
$3999
1DSIV = sky is the limit. Medium format territory. All of the above but 29-35MP and only 6 fps. Low light matches 1DSIII.
$6999
Yes definitely a market (if not overly vocal) for better ones. Enhanced L zooms?
My 30D is due for an upgrade. But there is a problem, 5D II is a little pricey for my budget. I would accept 12MP FF with sensor cleaning and better AF (like D700 or a little less). 40D is great, but just too little, while 50D only brings in AF microadjustment (af still poor) for much more.
Listen canon!
I too would rather see more glass than an expansion of bodies. My 40D does what I need + more. I’ll probably pick up a 5D Mk II around Christmas, but still, Canon needs some updated L zooms and affordable prime zooms with IS (e.g. EF 400 5.6IS, EF 500 5.6IS, EF 200-500 4-5.6IS (or even 4.5-6.3IS)) I’d be please with just ONE of those, but if Canon wants to make a lot of people happy & update the EF 100-400IS and one of the zooms, that too would work!
for prime lenses only.
Someone asked what the point of an upgrade would be. I’ll tell you: high ISO noise. Unfortunately, Nikon has Canon whipped when it comes to noise reduction.Canon has to take some of the noise improvements from the 5Dmkii and roll them down the line, so we can actually use the higher ISOs.
That’s what I’m waiting for in a 60D. Gimme!
As said before, it would be nice to have a normal 60D model then a 60Da or however Canon would label it with a body like the 1-series. I’m sure it could be done pretty easily with only a modest price jump. Vertical shooting without having to buy the larger battery grip would be nice. Not having the small LCD as on the 1-series and making the main LCD 3.5 or even 4 inches would be nice just for a preview.
But I’m sure the odds of that happening are one in a million and the price increase would be large just because. Here’s to dreaming…..
This might be worthy to note.
“We’ve just been sent an invite to a Canon event in Copenhagen on the 25th.
The tagline is that they’ve saved the best of their spring collection until the 25th”
This is from the Northlight Images web site.
1. agreed
2. go for the gusto and ask for 100 and maybe someday get 98
3. agreed
4. this is the one that won’t/can’t happen – the efs lenses are based around 1.6. I for one wouldn’t mind some sort of mini-1D with a 1.3 crop and most of the features of the 1d3 but it won’t happen. We all asked the same thing for a 3d and didn’t get that either…with the d700 vs. d3 as an example I don’t see canon repeating that mistake
5. agreed again though it’s not so much better HD that I want but better AF while using it
6. i think this is the most over stated myth in canon circles – the cameras honestly are weather sealed the same. The nikon is just heavier and for some reason can’t keep it’s grips on…
7. you’ve seen the last camera with a bp511a i’d bet…
8. gps is neat but not something I’d be willing to pay for…
9. (mine) built in radio freq ettl control of flashes…if PW can do it in such a small unit no reason it can’t go in these cameras and make that a nice reason to buy a xxd rather than a rebel…
JC
I bought the 40D in February because of the bargain price. The 15 mp didn’t impress me. And I sure wasn’t going to buy the 50D just for the VGA LCD. That would be retarded.
Canon has to replace the 50D because it’s pretty much a failure in the marketplace. As a rival against the D300, it is a complete flop.
Canon cannot afford to wait till 2010.
It works for zooms too. If it didn’t my 24-70 would have been a $1100 doorstop. its a +15
Canon have a show called Pro Photo Solutions in London on the 27th and 28th October. I think whatever they have up their sleeve will be announced at this show.