UPDATE
1) I added the [CR5] rating.
2) I cannot reveal the stores for obvious reasons. They’d probably receive a bucketload of phone calls.
3) Some stores might get 10%, but believe me.. no one is getting any more than that.
4) Canon USA owns Canon Canada, so I can believe that they can set the allocation to whatever they want. This part is a rumor that I have no official word on.
5) There will be another shipment of cameras before Christmas. This isn’t the only allocation. However, don’t expect to see many more than the initial numbers.
6) How do I know this will ring true across the country? Canon doesn’t favor retailers anymore. Henry’s won’t be treated any better than Vistek or Billy Bob’s Camera shop. Canon has been pretty fair to retailers on allocation. Retailers get advance notice on how many cameras they’ll get if they have internet access.
Info about allocation
I’ve spoken to two retailers in Canada and both are saying they are being allocated 5% of their requested number of 5D Mark II’s.
It’s rumoured Canon USA cut back the number of cameras coming to Canon Canada.
I’ll let you know if anything changes.
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holy cow !!!
FIVE? Wow. WOW. I feel a little sick to my stomach :S
I understand that some markets are better than others ???
It means that canadian preorders are not allocated to satisfy US customers ???
I think that Canon is not making the good move…..
I’m sick of this,
If I’m not getting a camera before x-mas, I’ll be real pissed.
they will lose a lot of business if they can’t deliver the goods. Or they are so confident this is the best camera ever, that people will fight over it. either way, I don’t think they’re being smart. How can such a big company underestimate demand for one of the most anticipated models in the last 2 years? I don’t get it.
Ok, so is anyone else pissed at Canon Canada?!
The Canadian CPS is junk compared to the one in the states, the Canadian website sucks compared to the one in the states, Saskatchewan doesn’t even have a Canon rep (he quit recently and Canon didn’t bother to replace him). While I’m ranting, I might as well voice my disapproval of them not updating the focusing system in the new 5D (experience with the original 5D along side the 40D, the 40D has a lot better peripheral focus in low light, ie weddings). Don’t get me wrong, I love canon, but really I think Canon is really jipping their Canadian customers.
Haha, ok, rant over. I’m still super stoked for *whenever* the camera comes!
Does Canon USA dictate the number of cameras going to Canon Canada? I would have thought Canon JP would.
I guess they really want us to buy Nikon instead of Canon!! The 5DMK2 is going to have a hard time as it is competing but if there are no cameras to buy, it makes the choice a lot simpler
That’s ridiculous. Since they’re selling for about 12% exchange from USD, they’re losing 8% on cameras sold in Canada vs. USA. I hope they’re not trying to stall it out until they fill everyone elses’ orders :|
Hello,
What is the “CR” on this?
What retailers did you talk to?
I am all for rumors but this seems kind of crazy, most dealers in Canada or in the USA dont even have a really firm delivery date. Other then a few shops here and there no one has recived the camera.
All I’m saying is how would two shops really know what the global allocation of camera are.
thanks
M
It doesn’t surprise me that Canon is shorting Canada on supply of 5D MK II. It’s right in line with increasing prices on pre-orders. Maybe next they can charge us double for the camera, kick us in the gut and take our first born. Canon has ruined the experience of buying a new camera, or any new piece of technology with today’s “market conditions”.
i think this rumour was started by someone in the Nikon camp.. bastards!
I’m sad, REALLY sad. Not being able to get a camera before Christmas is one thing, but I’m thinking of all the Canadian camera store, that is a hard hit for them. Canon is screwing them a lot of revenue/profits. What a poor company… seriously, even if I may stay with Canon forever (too much investment in lenses and other Canon camera) I’ll stop from now to recommend them to others. Sorry Canon, but this is my way to say that you’ve pushed the envelop too far. Even if all this is not real, I absolutely hate the way they are driving the company right now.
I agree w Michael: we don’t know anything from Canon from the beginning of this saga (and the retailers as well…) and now we have precise informations coming out of nowhere? It’s just not working!!
I’m sick of Canon right now.
They are really letting their customers down!
again…
Even if I don’t have a clue if it’s real or not, I think it’s possible. 8% more in their pocket (exchange rate), greater visibility on the US market than the Canadian (they are still 10x than us) and since the economy is more bad on their side, maybe Canon wants to push as much camera there before it’s too late. As fool as I am, if I’m able to think of that, I guess they might have even better reason to do so
Would you all relax… my goodness chill for crying out loud.
Its Thanksgiving and I am thankful and happy that the first people are getting their cameras. Lets all chill and wait to see who gets what over the next few days. We have all waited very long and a few days more won’t hurt anyone. Remember, the 5% is a rumor. Perhaps the retailers in Canada got 5% in their first shipment !? Who knows. I am waiting myself on my Camera and can’t wait. Just give it a few days.
Maybe they are trying to boost the US’s economy enough to slingshot Japan out of their recession? ; )
If it’s true, then it would really suck. Add to this the price hike! Not to mention that the battery pack seems to be twice as much as it is in the States.
I’m not sure about this, it would be nice to know who you talked to to get this info. I have a pre-order with Vistek and the guy i spoke to claimed to know nothing about this….
vistek knows nothing anyway
Sorry guys this isn’t a rumour, it’s pure fact. Definitely a CR5.
Stores will be reluctant to disclose what they know or have been told, because management of the stores holds back info to the sales staff so that customers aren’t discouraged.
If your pre-order is with a non-Canon pro dealer it may be even worse.
The Grinch…..
well I’m crossing my fingers.
the dealer I left a deposit at said I’m # 1 on his list, the only thing is it’s a small dealer.
I called him tonight and he told me prob the week of dec 5th
He said he was getting a demo unit next week, which i find really weird, why have a demo of a product that’s not in stock???
Ian,
Not to dash your hopes and wishes, and I hope I’m wrong and I mean this, but you won’t get it. But #1 is good.
@dennis – I’m glad to see your self control… but as a Canadian who sold my 5D more than a year ago because of the imminent release of the previous 5DMKII (as we know now that never happened) I’m more than a bit disappointed about Canon’s timing. My 30D is ok but not as good as my previous 5D. I know this is my fault, but seriously, 3+ years before an update it’s not what I called super genius… So since that sale a year ago, I’m keeping/sparing my money for the new 5DMKII. More than 2 months after the announcement it’s true that we’ve seen some unboxing pictures around the world, but nothing that help me to believe that Canon Canada is near to satisfy Canadian customer. I’m on the priority list (above pre-order) at a Store that sells a lot of Canon, but I believe even with that, my chance might be small to get one by Christmas… which I believe justify my reaction 2 hours ago.
Rox
Thanks fred for killing my dreams LOL
I am pissed. Even more than when they raised priced by $300.
Let’s all let them know how pissed we are, call Canon Canada :
(905) 795-1111, and ask for
Ian Macfarlane
VP and GM, Consumer Imaging Group
and let him know how pissed you are.
I sold my Rebel XT in the spring. Is it time to pull the plug on this and just get the 40D for $900. By the time next summer rolls around, the 5DII will likely be a few hundred cheaper and could cover the difference of selling a used 40D on ebay. What do you think.
>but as a Canadian who sold my 5D more than a year ago because of the imminent release of the previous 5DMKII
that’s pretty humorous. You planned poorly and acted rashly so you are disappointed with Canon?
Waaa.
@Dan
Dang. I just sold my 40d with grip for $850 cad.
Is it a good move? I think so, I’d hate to be without a camera for any length of time.
i got my 5D2 just now
28Nov2008 1pm
@ Melbourne, Australia
There’s no way it’s 5%. That means if a store had a pre-order list of 50, and submitted that list to Canon as requested, they’d get 2 or maybe 3 cameras. I call BS on that. Maybe the stores CR spoke too didn’t submit the lists as required?
ahhh you aussssies are so cool, well you may have a 5d2, but you don’t have poutine
Lozeau at montreal said the 5th of december so let’s give them a chance.
But if it’s too long, even if I’m a bit stuck with my lens I have to consider the Nikon D700: if you look now at bodies or kits on special, prices are close to the new price of the 5D mII. Video is not so important. And even with less resolution, pictures seem to be less noisy at high ISO.
@Rox,
I can understand your grief. I ordered with Amazon and my number is in the low 20ies.Amazon tells me it should ship tomorrow or monday. I also have one on order with Ritz Camera, which I ordered just a week ago and I got order number 110. How I got 110 was easy. They gave me the first available number of a person, who cancelled early.
So order one there too and see what number you get. If you don’t like it, cancel again. No biggie.
I will be selling my canon 5d which I just bought in July with only 7700 actuations and an extra battery as well for just $ 1350 Pristine condition of course. So if you don’t want to wait… I am offering my 5d body to you.
@Joel – Thanks for the encouragement. I thought my plan was perfect, but Canon pissed in their shorts when they saw Nikon D3 and the follow on D300. They cancelled their actual planning and postpone everything by a year. What can I say… shame on me, surely, but if you believe that 3 years upgrade cycle was what Canon planned at the beginning, sorry, but you’re way more moron than me… I’m not surprised by the decrease of Canon revenue for last quarter… they don’t only deserve it, they’ve looked for it. And now… well, they can’t even provide enough camera to satisfy the early demand (I’m talking about pre-orders).
@dennis – thanks for the offer, but the 5D realm is behind me. Absolutely great output, but I didn’t like the slow image processing before it appears on the LCD. That was important for me and it wasn’t there.
Rox
@Canuck88
You’ll see
Ugh. Gotta ask myself, do I want to deal with a company like this? First the extra $300, now stalling on the delivery (Canada). I’m not invested in Canon glass. I considered a D700 but they don’t have anything like the 24-105IS.
@Canuck88
I’m a retailer. Low supply HA HA
At least one US retailer I’ve spoken to only got a small portion (10%) of their order, either. So I don’t think this is merely Canada, necessarily, so much as Canon not yet being able to meet demand.
Well, basically you canucks have 2 options: suck it up or switch to Nikon. I wouldn’t advise on the 2nd…
Oh, and I can MAKE poutine ;)
I photographed heavily today with both my old Canon 5d and my Canon 20d (an oldie and a goodie). Glad to still be using something, I feel for those who gave up their cameras for the promise of something more. A bird in the hand… Canon seems to have plenty of 50ds around, perhaps they should have shifted some of the production from those to the 5d mark ii.
Like the rest of you am pissed at hearing this. Guess the indicators are there the Canon Canada web site as mentioned above, and the fact that we are pretty much the last country on earth to get this camera. If there is not one before xmas I will consider canceling and looking to either move to another brand and sell the gear I have or dropping the idea and putting up with the 350D for another year and wait for prices to drop. Problem is I have promised the old one to a friend. This pretty much sucks. Top that off none of our retailers will give us the straight poop.
Wayne
I knew this would happen! I just felt that the demand was too high, and they could not fill the orders in time. I ordered 2 from adorama. I figured I can sell one for a nice profit since the camera will be scarce by x-mas time.
Any bidders?
@Fred C
Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Would you tell us what store/company you are with.
Unfortunately none of us will no for sure unit the camera actually comes out!
I am number three on the list at my store Broadway Camera and if i do not get the camera at the store on release day then i will find another option, ebay, CL, or maybe a trip to the USA.
Anyways the camera will get here when it gets here and i am pretty sure that Canon is not going out of their way to screw Canada. If they had the camera i am sure they would try and fill ALL the pre-orders…..if they dont i am sure they will do what they can.
thanks
M
From what I’ve heard, that is pretty much the story in the USA as well. 5-10% of total in the first shipment. The percentage does not seem to be the same for each store, but it is the same general story.
I did actually spot one in stock at Willoughby’s Camera on their Amazon.com store tuesday, but it was sold in a very short time. They priced the camera with kit lens at $4,000 and had no trouble finding a buyer.
Ed
I think as a high end camera, maybe this is really out of their expectation. I rather to wait for a bit than getting a rush out err99 camera. Although it still sucks to see ppl from other countries are opening their boxes and playing with all these new features now.
I think many of you guys are dramatically underestimating the demand for this camera. Canon simply has nowhere near the production capacity to meet initial demand; and they shouldn’t – if they did, they’d have enormous overcapacity once initial demand is met.
Short story: you’re one of a huge number of people who want the camera, you’ve got to wait your place in line (or wait until the line finally clears 6 months from now.)
I think everyone here is loosing their focus. This camera is incredible, but it will do absolutely nothing for u when spending all that money if you dont have the talent to compose and shoot properly, that’s not including all the post that we have to do almost everytime on the photos these “incredible” cameras produce. My point is, let’s not forget that it’s not the gear that makes a photographer a ‘pro’ …it’s everything else but the gear that makes a photographer! It’s been fun watching the release of this camera and all the drama it’s creating. But I’m holding out on purchasing a 5D II till June 09. I gauarntee you they’ll be VERY cheap by then!
Philthis, if you think the 5D II will drop in price by June, it’s wishful thinking. The original 5D took a couple of years to drop in price…
Why Canon (JP or USA or even Can) doesn’t communicate on the problem ? Do they think that it’s better to let their loyal supporters raging ?
i put up all my canon gear for sale, am switching, enough of this BS from canon. i have a buddy who’s been with nikon for 15 years, and haven’t heard of nikon treating their customers like crap ONCE.
@dennis, I’m interested in your 5D.
I’m in Montreal.
@hex – what are you selling…
What can we say… Not a 5DMKII is sold so far in Canada and it seems that Nikon will announce real soon (if not already made) their new D3x 24MP (see northlight rumors)
Well….. Vistek just called me and mine is shipping today!!! :)
I just called my dealer and he said he was getting his info from this website called canonrumors.com LOL!
just called henry’s to inquire about a 1D instead of the debacle over the 5D I have preordered. They said they will be getting about 30% of what they asked for allocated. Only time will tell.
Next week maybe?
Dan: When did you place your order at Vistek?
OK guys, here is the news… My 5DMKII is in the mail!!! Even if I’m one of the lucky guy, this won’t change my opinion of Canon.
My Canon dealer got “less than a handfull” of camera and I was lucky enough to get one. My best words are going to them. I won’t give more information about them except that they are from Canada. Also, I’m not sure why, maybe because I was one of the first to call in Sept., I’m getting the first announce price. I guess I’m blessed.
I called a camera shop here in Los Angeles and they said they ordered 60 from their rep and they are receiving 1 from canon!! and they have no clue on when they are receiving the next batch
So here’s my Canadian concern. What happens when there’s a “buyers remorse” or the spouse sees the receipt and the camera get’s returned to the store? Are they going to pawn it off on me as a new unit because I’m on the waiting list? I hope not!
What bums me out is the lack of OFFICIAL communications from Henrys or Canon. When are companies going to learn. (airlines, car dealers, etc) that you can mitigate consumer annoyance by keeping them informed. I know it’s not Henrys’ fault, but let your customers know.
T
Rox
If your camera is in the mail, would you mind let us know where you are located and where you shop is located.
I am sure that people would like to know in regards to what parts of Canada are shipping.
I called my store this morning and they still say around the 5th of Dec
thanks
Michael
Michael,
I’m in Quebec, near Montreal and the camera is coming from Ontario (5% GST only :-)), let say Great Toronto Area but I won’t say more at this time. I don’t want to get anybody in trouble. But obvioulsy, they are getting less than 10% of what they’ve ordered. Again, I’ve placed my order the same day as the official announcement, but in fact I was asking news since more that a year ago.
Rox
Well they have arrived at Aden, I picked mine up 20 mins ago, just charging the battery.
They’ve already given out the handful that they received today, sorry was to excited didn’t ask when the next batch was coming.
Oh and the really really good news was that I paid the original price as I had a deposit at that price!!!!! They said not all the stores are doing this.
@PJ
I’m intrigued. Did you pay the full price then when you put down the deposit? Or are they simply honoring that price even though you put down a deposit of a smaller amount. This is the first store I have heard doing this. You are lucky!
I only put down a $300 deposit and I was fully expecting to pay the increased price. When they left me a message telling me the camera was in, they asked me to bring the deposit receipt with the remaining balance on.
Aden Camera are truly amazing. Ask to talk to Eddie or Freddie. No hype, no stress, they are the best. Specially if you’re a known customer (which make sense).
By the way PJ, I was another lucky and happy cu$tomer.
Henrys in Toronto got 40 cameras in their first shipment. Hardly enough for cover, umm, the 400 they have on preorder. My rep told me they will be getting a ‘sizeable’ shipment next week. Will it be a lot, who knows? The debacle continues……
Was in Henrys Oakville this afternoon, had one of the reps there tell me “There was 100 delivered in Canada” I know I have chatted with someone who got one that was ordered Nov 7th so I am not sure of the distribution method with mine and many here ordered previous to this.
I asked someone to search for my order, they could not since it was an online order, “whole other division”
Joseph you have put it best the debacle continues.. I am starting to feel we will not see anything till next year.
Wayne
There is something I don’t understand:
Australia: 21.5 M habs: preorder the 14th of november, 5D mII received the 28th. (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=606333)
Canada: 33 M habs: preorder in september, 5D mII not received yet and only 5% of the preorders would be allocated….may be the 5th of december!
Is it because Australia is closer to Japan ? ;-)
I spoke to a guy at Lozeau Montreal and there’s definitively no service: no answers on anything especially your rank, arrogant, treating you like craps.
I will never buy st there and I will never recommend to anybody to buy st at this store…
Joubex I agree there is something odd in the distribution. I mean my example speaks to it. I am 3 weeks ahead of the person I have spoke to and know of at least 1 other that was previous to me that has theirs. I am beginning to believe the money thing that was put here as [CR5] the ones I know of plunked down a deposit I did not. I have a phone call to look forward to in the morning. Since the store could not look up my order I want to check that and see if there is any indication of delivery before spring. Hey I am loosing optimism quickly.
Toto I would not put too much on Lozeau it is Canon that is not telling the resellers anything. If it is true that there was only 100 for all of Canada and I have heard Henrys got 40, that means Vistek and other pro-Shops would have to share the remaining.
Now I have also read there are more coming this week. But I am in a believe it when I see it mode at this moment. I figure there is opportunity for 1-2 more shipments before xmas. Time will tell.
Wayne
hello Wayne
I agree, but this is the lack of communication which is the most bothersome
the deposit thing is true. if you didn’t put money down you will be behind people who gave a deposit. that’s it.
@toto
I agree Lozeau is the worst camera shop in town, the sales people know very little about gear or photography in general and are very pretentious. I never buy anything anymore there and I strongly advise everyone I know to avoid giving them money.
Ian I have asked my retailer for confirmation of the deposit. With an online order they do a pre-authorization to insure you are good for the cash. If a deposit was required I cannot see why they would not ask I and others would have provided this willingly. I actually expected it to require a hundred or at least 10%.
I have learned that there may in fact have been only 100 or so cameras for all of Canada. My retailer rumored to have 40 only and they have pretty much confirmed this. More on the way so I am told, we are just unsure how many that entails.
I have expressed the frustration to my retailer, I do not blame them, they can only tell us what they have been told, virtually nothing.
So I am waiting in hopes this arrives soon, from all accounts it is a great camera.
Wayne
Put my pre-order with Aden Oct.11th. They can’t even tell me when I’ll be getting the camera. I can’t blame them, they only received 4 cameras last week! They should be getting more this Friday, but no one knows how many.
100 cameras for canada… canon must be joking
may be it’s a better plan to buy in Australia and shipment with fedex… ? ;-)
Spoke to Henrys this morning the expect another shipment Wed or Fri this week (Dec 1 today) so I may get lucky this week
T
@surftom, how big is that shipment?
I am unfortunately #280 on the list and I will be waiting a while for sure
they (Thornhill store) were not sure how many they were getting. Sorry.
T
I spoke to Henry’s on Nov 29. The rep I spoke to was extremely polite and helpful. He said they didn’t get very many in the first shipment but that more were coming soon. I was told I was now about 10th on the list (ordered sept 22) and that I could get it as early as next week. He went on to say that Canon shipments arrive midday on Wednesdays and Fridays.
I have a friend who pre-ordered one too – just a day later than I did. He called Henrys today (same location)and got a less-than-helpful rep. He was told there’s no way of telling where he is in the queue, that he’d be notified when “his” came in and that Canon doesn’t have a regular shipping schedule i.e. not Wednesdays or Fridays but whenever they feel like it.
I was baffled at how the two responses differed so much in message and tone. FWIW, I’ve always enjoyed dealing with Henry’s – just glad I didn’t get the rep he did on the phone.
any news from shop in Montreal ???
do you know if lozeau, simons, photservice receive something ?
Lozeau won’t get anything before friday this week (what they said)
gt
Got about the same words via email with one of the guys from Henrys this morning. I am 2 ahead of you ordered same day, presuming you got yours online as well. Have a bunch of fingers crossed that they get a good number of cameras.
Looking at end of week perhaps.
Wayne
I pre-ordered at Lozeau (montreal) the 21th of september. Anyone can tell me my rank on the list ???
Henry’s did get cameras last Fri and I got mine. I ordered the day after the announcement and was near the end of the first shipment (kit). Some reps are much more knowledgeable than others, but they clearly don’t know how many they’re getting until they come.
I ordered from Camera Canada on Sept. 18th and although I was told a few weeks ago I was ‘near the top of the list’ I have yet to hear anything further.
I got mine from Henry’s (Toronto) yesterday – ordered same time as Dorkage so I must have just slipped under the wire.
Just want to add that for those of you who use Photoshop – you’ll need the latest Camera Raw update – which includes the 5D2 profile. If you use Lightroom you won’t be able to import directly until Adobe comes out with Lightroom 2.2 at the end of December (maybe) – but if you download the latest Adobe DNG converter – you can convert your files and import the converted versions. And yes – the RAW files are huge!