Canon confirms September 24, 2020 announcement for the Canon Cinema EOS C70

Mark3794 · Sep 8, 2020

The 24th it's also the day that the A7sIII starts to ship. That's sassy

stevensteven · Sep 8, 2020

Mark3794 said:
The 24th it's also the day that the A7sIII starts to ship. That's sassy

But will the C70 beat the a7siii for the independent filmmaker ?

-Dynamic range will be similar
-Portability will go to Sony
-Cine body functionalities will go to Canon
-Low Light for Sony
-Reliability will be a tie
-Ibis for sony

what about image quality ? Im torn when I see the c300mkii footage vs the a7siii one...

Twinix · Sep 8, 2020

Awesome!
Btw @Canon Rumors Guy there are som CSS problems on the text you copy pasted from Canon on mobile.

Codebunny · Sep 8, 2020

stevensteven said:
But will the C70 beat the a7siii for the independent filmmaker ?

-Dynamic range will be similar
-Portability will go to Sony
-Cine body functionalities will go to Canon
-Low Light for Sony
-Reliability will be a tie
-Ibis for sony

what about image quality ? Im torn when I see the c300mkii footage vs the a7siii one...

Let's see what the C70 is like before we start deciding that x or y will have better low light.

wanderer23 · Sep 8, 2020

Codebunny said:
Let's see what the C70 is like before we start deciding that x or y will have better low light.

don't we already konw what the sensor is capable of, given its already been used? (and assuming CR is right, and it always is right). a7siii is the low light winner for any consumer/prosumer/professional camera in the world, and i dont' think its even a competition. (i swithced from E to RF recently w/ the R5 so i'm not biased to sony in any way, but realistic).

Stanly · Sep 8, 2020

stevensteven said:
But will the C70 beat the a7siii for the independent filmmaker ?

-Dynamic range will be similar
-Portability will go to Sony
-Cine body functionalities will go to Canon
-Low Light for Sony
-Reliability will be a tie
-Ibis for sony

what about image quality ? Im torn when I see the c300mkii footage vs the a7siii one...

Also a7S is fullframe and does photos (even if they're only 12MP). I only hope they will address the R5 issues before the event, for those of us who have hybrid camera as a deciding factor for choosing a mount. C70 might end up great addition to the kit ... but first we need a fix for the hybrid.

stevensteven · Sep 8, 2020

Codebunny said:
Let's see what the C70 is like before we start deciding that x or y will have better low light.

I am assuMing, until i know more, but for now I am assuming that the c70 will produce a similar image as the c300mkii but through RF lenses...

Darecinema · Sep 8, 2020

Exciting times. I guess from my perspective just with the numbering system of C70 I am mentally placing its “usage factor” around the C100 which is able enough for some but not what I’m looking for. I’m shooting everyday with the C300II and 5DIV as my b-cam. Still making money but wishing I could have an a-cam that was the RF version of the C300 or C500. I imagine that the biggest engineering hurdle is the ND filter fitting between sensor and the back of the lens and I hope the C70 at least provides some direction on how this will be implemented in future models.

Joules · Sep 8, 2020

stevensteven said:
I am assuMing, until i know more, but for now I am assuming that the c70 will produce a similar image as the c300mkii but through RF lenses...

What are you basing this assumption on? Did I just miss a rumor for the C70 specs?

stevensteven · Sep 8, 2020

Joules said:
What are you basing this assumption on? Did I just miss a rumor for the C70 specs?

The c70 will be using the same sensor (DGO) that is used in the C300mkII...

So if we wanted to reason in a different way to answer my original question... which produces the best image ? the a7siii or the c300mkii? I’m not taking about camera features, specs, styles of body, etc....
I’m just talking about the final image.which one produces the nicest image ? If that can be answered objectively...

peters · Sep 8, 2020

stevensteven said:
But will the C70 beat the a7siii for the independent filmmaker ?

-Dynamic range will be similar
-Portability will go to Sony
-Cine body functionalities will go to Canon
-Low Light for Sony
-Reliability will be a tie
-Ibis for sony

what about image quality ? Im torn when I see the c300mkii footage vs the a7siii one...

The camera is not even announced yet and you can allready judge its performance, yet alone its specs? impressive ;-D

HarryFilm · Sep 8, 2020

wanderer23 said:
don't we already konw what the sensor is capable of, given its already been used? (and assuming CR is right, and it always is right). a7siii is the low light winner for any consumer/prosumer/professional camera in the world, and i dont' think its even a competition. (i swithced from E to RF recently w/ the R5 so i'm not biased to sony in any way, but realistic).

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"......a7siii is the low light winner for any consumer/prosumer/professional camera ...."

The A7s3 DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE IN TERMS OF LIGHT SENSITIVITY compared to something like the X27 camera:

True MIDNIGHT FULL COLOUR RGB IMAGING (X.27 camera):

and

X27 - A 5 Million ISO True Low-Light Night Vision Camera | CineD

The SPi Infrared Starlight X27 can literally see in the dark in full colour. It is a direct competitor to the Canon ME20F-SH.

www.cined.com

The images you see are AT MIDNIGHT -- THE DARKEST HOUR!

The Sony doesn't even come close to this! The X27 has 1000x the sensitivity!

And this is only a $30,000 camera -- The REALLY HIGH END ONE from a different manufacturer (we make and have that one ourselves!) has almost NO NOISE compared to the X27 but that of course is a $750,000 USD camera system (we make that $750k USD one in-house using our own 50 micron photosites!) -- BUT -- the $30,000 X27 will do for most people!

SO NO!!!!! --- The Sony is NOWHERE NEAR the low-light winner of a pro-level camera!

V

Aregal · Sep 8, 2020

Stanly said:
Also a7S is fullframe and does photos (even if they're only 12MP). I only hope they will address the R5 issues before the event, for those of us who have hybrid camera as a deciding factor for choosing a mount. C70 might end up great addition to the kit ... but first we need a fix for the hybrid.

It would be a lost opportunity if the C70 didn't take stills...even if it was only 8MP.

Stanly · Sep 8, 2020

stevensteven said:
for now I am assuming that the c70 will produce a similar image as the c300mkii but through RF lenses...

Also note that C300 II has much less DR in 10bit compared to RAW, which C70 is not going to have (at least at launch) according to rumors.

Aregal said:
It would be a lost opportunity if the C70 didn't take stills...even if it was only 8MP.

Doubt it will do RAW stills ... I believe C300 II does jpegs at 4096 x 2160 max (=

Joules · Sep 8, 2020

stevensteven said:
The c70 will be using the same sensor (DGO) that is used in the C300mkII...

So if we wanted to reason in a different way to answer my original question... which produces the best image ? the a7siii or the c300mkii? I’m not taking about camera features, specs, styles of body, etc....
I’m just talking about the final image.which one produces the nicest image ? If that can be answered objectively...

Well, where is that from? I thought if something was going to be reused, it would be from the C300 III. Which you probably meant to write, as you also mention DGO. I am just unaware of which rumor it was that statet the C70 would use this sensor.

Also, does the A7S III actuall have 'similar' DR to the DGO one in the C300 III? Genuine question.

amorse · Sep 8, 2020

Joules said:
What are you basing this assumption on? Did I just miss a rumor for the C70 specs?

I don't think any specs were ever directly attributed to the C70, but this rumour was the only one I remember talking about an RF cinema camera in a "smaller" form factor and with the C300 sensor.

Stanly · Sep 8, 2020

Joules said:
Well, where is that from? I thought if something was going to be reused, it would be from the C300 III. Which you probably meant to write, as you also mention DGO. I am just unaware of which rumor it was that statet the C70 would use this sensor.

Also, does the A7S III actuall have 'similar' DR to the DGO one in the C300 III? Genuine question.

there was also this list of rumored EOS Cine cameras

And yeah, a7S is comparable in DR to the DGO one in the C300 III if filming in 10 bit on both (C70 is rumored not to have RAW video).

Joules · Sep 8, 2020

Stanly said:
there was also this list of rumored EOS Cine cameras

And yeah, a7S is comparable in DR to the DGO one in the C300 III if filming in 10 bit on both (C70 is rumored not to have RAW video).

Given those are CR2 rumors and don't directly mention this camera, I'll side with Codebunny and wait for further information before speculating on such sweeping judgements.

peters · Sep 8, 2020

HarryFilm said:
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"......a7siii is the low light winner for any consumer/prosumer/professional camera ...."

The A7s3 DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE IN TERMS OF LIGHT SENSITIVITY compared to something like the X27 camera:

True MIDNIGHT FULL COLOUR RGB IMAGING (X.27 camera):

and

X27 - A 5 Million ISO True Low-Light Night Vision Camera | CineD

The SPi Infrared Starlight X27 can literally see in the dark in full colour. It is a direct competitor to the Canon ME20F-SH.

www.cined.com

The images you see are AT MIDNIGHT OF THE DARKEST HOUR!

The Sony doesn't even come close to this! The X27 has 1000x the sensitivity!

And this is only a $30,000 camera -- The REALLY HIGH END ONE from a different manufacturer (we make and have that one ourselves!) has almost NO NOISE compared to the X27 but that of course is a $750,000 USD camera system (we make that $750k USD one in-house using our own 50 micron photosites!) -- BUT -- the $30,000 X27 will do for most people!

SO NO!!!!! --- The Sony is NOWHERE NEAR the low-light winner of a pro-level camera!

V

This is a (military?) night vision system not a camera for video production... the comparison is a bit off, dont you think? (Though very impressive).
In the "normal" world the A7s3 is certainly incredible in low light and quite possible the best video production camera for lowlight.