Canon Japan shows off Canon’s 8K Cinema EOS camera coming in 2021

marathonman · Dec 28, 2020

720P is *******!

filmmakerken · Dec 28, 2020

Unfortunately my Japanese is rusty and I'm only getting about 20% of what's being said. But it doesn't take much to infer they're saying it makes pretty pictures and opens up a world of possibilities for filmmakers.

The question -- EF or RF?

tiggy@mac.com · Dec 28, 2020

I find it a bit delicious that the highest video quality available in the video they uploaded to YouTube is 1080p.

IcyBergs · Dec 28, 2020

marathonman said:
720P is *******!

Bombing every thread with a "_____ is *******!" reply....is *******

zim · Dec 28, 2020

Surprised if its not RF with a very robust bolt on ef adapter.

lglass12189 · Dec 28, 2020

I will expect a great 8K Godzilla movie soon after release!

Matthew1551 · Dec 28, 2020

The conversion box has a LEMO SMPTE fiber connection to it, suggesting, somehow, that it would be compatible with a CCU or interface unit on the other side of a broadcast camera chain. Commonly high end broadcast cameras employ this system as it packs signal, control, tally, and power into one fiber connection. Doesn't look too dissimilar to the ARRI made DTS Fiber system.

peters · Dec 28, 2020

Funny how its such a small camera body and than they put a giant "8k conversion box" on the rig which is bigger than the body :-D

Anyway, this looks promising :_)

Doug7131 · Dec 28, 2020

The "Converstion Box" is clearly a module for splitting a 8K 60p feed into 4 4K60 12G SDI feeds. There is no SDI standard above 12G yet so 8K has to be split into quadrents and fed to 4 different recorders. The only external recorder I know of that can do 8K is the BlackMagic URSA Mini which is brand new and only works with their cameras. So for now using 4 external recorders is the only option other than internal recording.

Bahrd · Dec 28, 2020

filmmakerken said:
The question -- EF or RF?

And: FF or Super35?

sfericean · Dec 28, 2020

Amazing video about an 8K cinema camera...uploaded to YouTube at 1080p.

mb66energy · Dec 28, 2020

The conversion box is maybe a cooling device, it converts sensor heat to environmental heat ...

bmfotonet · Dec 28, 2020

1080p is more than good enough for YouTube because most people view YouTube videos on phones or basic laptops, not like us photography nerds with nice 4k monitors. I make videos for YouTube as my main hobby and I shoot everything in 1080p even though I have a 4k camera because the files are easier to manage. I get much faster export times and upload times in 1080p than what I would get with 4k. Maybe someday I'll update my computer and internet service to a point where it wouldn't make a difference in processing and uploading, but for now 1080p is more than good enough for what I do. I do local news stuff so getting it out there quickly is more important than absolute quality. Nobody wants yesterdays news even if it's in 4k. As far as I know all the broadcast TV in my area is still 720p or 1080i and will probably be for some time.

8k is really for cinematic stuff at this point, stuff like movies in the theater and high end streaming to people with 8k TVs. It also helps with flexibility in editing, but again that's for the cinematic type of productions who have no issue with money for storage capacity and processing power.

Bob Howland · Dec 28, 2020

zim said:
Surprised if its not RF with a very robust bolt on rf adapter.

Did you mean "EF adapter"?

Bob Howland · Dec 28, 2020

bmfotonet said:
1080p is more than good enough for YouTube because most people view YouTube videos on phones or basic laptops, not like us photography nerds with nice 4k monitors. I make videos for YouTube as my main hobby and I shoot everything in 1080p even though I have a 4k camera because the files are easier to manage. I get much faster export times and upload times in 1080p than what I would get with 4k. Maybe someday I'll update my computer and internet service to a point where it wouldn't make a difference in processing and uploading, but for now 1080p is more than good enough for what I do. I do local news stuff so getting it out there quickly is more important than absolute quality. Nobody wants yesterdays news even if it's in 4k. As far as I know all the broadcast TV in my area is still 720p or 1080i and will probably be for some time.

I just bought a 4K camcorder and my computer video max is 2560 X 1600. The computer is 10 years old and I think it's time to build a new one (or have one built). My television is the only thing I can play 4K on and, honestly, it doesn't look that much better than HD.

sfericean · Dec 28, 2020

bmfotonet said:
1080p is more than good enough for YouTube because most people view YouTube videos on phones or basic laptops, not like us photography nerds with nice 4k monitors. I make videos for YouTube as my main hobby and I shoot everything in 1080p even though I have a 4k camera because the files are easier to manage. I get much faster export times and upload times in 1080p than what I would get with 4k.

Bob Howland said:
I just bought a 4K camcorder and my computer video max is 2560 X 1600. The computer is 10 years old and I think it's time to build a new one (or have one built). My television is the only thing I can play 4K on and, honestly, it doesn't look that much better than HD.

You guys know if you feed YT a file that is 2.7K resolution or higher it plays back at VP9 streaming (instead of AVC1) and will look better in even 1080p quality because the stream is a higher quality stream. I shoot everything in 1080p usually and upscale to 4K and feed that to YT. The playback is noticeably better...unless you're using Safari as Safari doesn't support VP9 streaming. At least the last time I checked it doesn't support it.

That's why I was a bit miffed. Man how do you make a video about an 8K camera and then feed YT a 1080p file? The playback in my option is a bit sub-par.

Any who, enough of my bitter ramblings...

Nigel95 · Dec 28, 2020

sfericean said:
You guys know if you feed YT a file that is 2.7K resolution or higher it plays back at VP9 streaming (instead of AVC1) and will look better in even 1080p quality because the stream is a higher quality stream. I shoot everything in 1080p usually and upscale to 4K and feed that to YT. The playback is noticeably better...unless you're using Safari as Safari doesn't support VP9 streaming. At least the last time I checked it doesn't support it.

That's why I was a bit miffed. Man how do you make a video about an 8K camera and then feed YT a 1080p file? The playback in my option is a bit sub-par.

Any who, enough of my bitter ramblings...

It depends on your channel also. My uploads are 1080p and have the vp9 label when looking for stats for nerds on YT. Must admit I am looking into upscaling as well for YT. Unfortunately with VEAI colors and gamma seem to shift after upscaling. Which sucks if you upscale the 1080p master.

privatebydesign · Dec 28, 2020

filmmakerken said:
Unfortunately my Japanese is rusty and I'm only getting about 20% of what's being said. But it doesn't take much to infer they're saying it makes pretty pictures and opens up a world of possibilities for filmmakers.

The question -- EF or RF?

Both, it will have interchangeable mounts, like the EF and PL options already available on the higher end C cameras.

zim · Dec 28, 2020

Bob Howland said:
Did you mean "EF adapter"?

Yip typo

EOS 90D

EOS R, EOS 10, FTb

R5

I have a Sony...TV

EOS 5D Mark IV

Inside Rail

EOS RP

EOS 7D

Red herrings...

R6 x 2

EOS R

I'm New Here

EOS RP

EOS RP

R6 x 2

EOS M6 Mark II

EOS-1D X Mark III

EOS 5D Mark IV

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