The return?
Received an email today discussing an upcoming Canon Pro2. It's been a long time since the pretty successful Pro1.
Specs
Fixed-lens
2.5x crop factor sensor (~13.8×10.4mm).
5x zoom (26-130mm)
f2.8-4 IS L lens
The form factor is similar to the Pro1
Articulated Screen
800×600 EVF.
CMOS made by Canon
High FPS
1080p video like that of the SX1-IS.
Such a camera would be a good seller I think.
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we will see what happen, what canon will decide, interchangeable or fixed lenses for the foreseeable future. if i hear soon that canon is going to make APS or larger mirrorless with interchangeables, i’ll be very happy with that, happier than with the pro2 described above. but I make distinction between what I wish for and what I expect. Canon usually wait until new ideas and technology mature before they start to implement them, specially when it comes to introducing a new system which will be hard to change once introduced (because of backward compatibility issues), that’s why i don’t see canon doing it soon (read within the next 3 to 5 year at least). The autofocus and video of a mirrorless system are not yet very fully decided & integrated in large sensored mirrorless camera, so it is wiser not to decide a new system’s standards of these things now in a hurry. Also canon is still selling T1i & XSi better than pana and oly are selling their m4/3 models.
Get your size comparisons right, so that you don’t inadvertently mislead the uninformed readers!!! Some posts above, you said that GH1+14-140’s size/profile is same as Pro1 while in reality the profiles are 142mm vs 90mm respectively, and now you say EP1 is same as G11, this is only works if you stick a pancake prime to the EP1 and even then the EP1+prime is heavier than the G11 by the weight of the prime and a little extra (100-150g on top of ~350g).
About 40D vs a hypothetical Canon APS EVIL, of course the latter would be lighter, but here again the question is whether or not canon is willing to introduce such new system in the near future. I believe not, for the reasons that i have just explained above in another reply to you (basically canon is waiting for the tech of EVIL systems to mature, to note here is that every m4/3 lens so far has been compromisingly designed to make its AF elements light weight so that they can be moved by CDAF, this has meant either slow max aperture or limited zoom power or both to keep the weight down, a different AF solution may emerge in future that established systems like m4/3 won’t be able to switch to). If you can imagine for a second that canon doesn’t want to start now, and think about what they can do meanwhile instead as an answer to the likes of GF1, EP1 & GXR, you’ll see that they better have something than nothing, and that they need their answering camera to (1) have a lens with some good focal range and aperture speed because it’s a fixed lens, and (2) be as compact as possible in the same time ‘cos that with a large sensor is the main point of the new segment. (3) #1+ #2 dictate that the sensor MUST be RELATIVELY small. Something along the lines of this pro2 would serve both as a field of (R&D) experiments and a stop gap. No matter how unsuccessful a fixed lens camera may turn out to be, it is many magnitudes less of a problem than a system whose standards are bad as a result of being set too early in a hurry, and then can’t be changed without a PR disaster.
Do not misrepresent my comments and then call your misrepresentations of them misleading, mr. anonymous who’s too affraid to make such accusations with your own name on them.
I made no absolute direct comparison of the GH1 with the 14-140mm lens to the Pro 1, I only pointed out the Pro 1 is not a pocket camera and has a protruding lens even when turned off, as does the GH1.
You want to knit pick over weight of the EP1 & G11, whatever…
You, again, make wild claims of alleged compromises on m43 lenses…what are you talking about specifically? At least they don’t vinette like the Pro 1’s L lens when wide open.
The fake specs of this Pro 2 are not a stop gap or any kind of competition to EVIL cameras, which have the benefit of multiple lenses as well as adaptors for EF and other lenses. If you don’t like interchangable lenses that’s your problem.
You want to spend $1000 for a fixed lens camera, have at it, you and two other guys I’m sure will run out and spend your dollars on it.
Now, as far as misrepresentations go, you write “basically canon is waiting for the tech of EVIL systems to mature…” – you don’t know squat about what Canon is doing so stop representing that you do. ALL of my comments are my own opinions and I make that clear, yet you are here telling us all what Canon is doing as if you know.
Besides, you can’t even tell the difference between noisy small sensor Pro 1 shots and those from your 40D…nice.
At one time I had both a digital and film Rebel. They were pretty much the same body except the film one had a large mirror box. Shove the digital rebel guts over a bit and I’m sure they could make a full frame in that size.
Optics challenges aside, I don’t see the need for the “brains” of the camera to be that much more than the SD series. So making a APS-C or FF compact would be more about fitting all those buttons and features on a body that still handles relatively well.
I am not misrepresenting anything, it’s just your habit of putting words in others mouths (otherwise quote me, where did you find that i “can’t even tell the difference between noisy pro1 [and 40D] sensors”?!, i said exactly the opposite). You also have a habit of forgetting your own words eg WRT to pro1 and GH1 kit size comparison you wrote “Check out the profile on the Pro 1, not so sure it is smaller than the GH1, lol”, in reply to someone who said “The lens make a GH1 a lot bigger than a Pro1”.
Your comment about the name i use here is just silly, i didn’t know that telling your first name is bravery, the only things that these user names serve is that you can follow who said what and my name being different from the anonymous (no name) default is enough for that.
There is no knit picking about the weight difference between EP1(equipped with any lens) vs the G11 (with the lightest pancake prime EP1 is 20%-30% heavier than G11 that is not knit picking), and if you use the smallest zoom on EP1 then even the bulk is going to be considerably larger than G11, you seem to look at the specs of the body only and jump to the wrong conclusions both in the case of EP1-vs-G11 and GH1-vs-Pro1, a body only doesn’t take pictures, so its size and weight should not be compared to a fixed lens camera.
You don’t know up to this point how much canon inside knowledge i have, so it is not appropriate for you to claim that I “don’t know squat”, you see you are accusing me of talking about things i don’t know and you were doing exactly that same thing when you made that statement, if you have inside info to the contrary of what I said you can say so and even then it is still not proven who’s right and who’s wrong, we will know that only when things become official. Finally I note that at one point you said “ALL of my comments are my own opinions and I make that clear”, at another point you say “The fake specs of this Pro 2” not preceded or followed by anything like “I think” or “IMO”, so at least take care that you adhere to your own standards.