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Canon to announce an RF 85mm f/1.2L USM DS (Defocus Smoothing)

It appears Canon has trademarked “DS” or defocus smoothing and that the feature will appear in an upcoming Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L USM DS.

It appears that we’re going to see both an RF 85mm f/1.2L USM and an RF 85mm f/1.2L USM DS announced on Thursday.

You can see the “DS” labeling on one of the RF 85mm f/1.2L lenses

What is defocus smoothing? if we had to guess, it’s likely a way to improve the look of out of focus areas or “bokeh”.

Anything that makes an 85mm f/1.2L bokeh even better is going to be pretty awesome.

There have been a lot of patents over the last few years for Canon lenses with apodization filters, which could be related to the Defocus Smoothing we’re seeing here.

That would make RF 6 lenses to be announced on Thursday, we’ve been told as many as 8 are possible.

More to come….

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D SR
Jan 28, 2015
4,102
1,647
Irving, Texas
Wondering what the price difference will be and very interested in photo comparisons between the two lenses. Thursday can't come soon enough! :)
 

wockawocka

EOS 7D MK II
Sep 13, 2011
761
95
If it is two 85's then it shouldn't of been too much to adapt the non DS models to DS.

Fuji's APD as mentioned about by Padam had a downside but I forget what that was.
 
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Josh Leavitt

EOS T7i
Aug 19, 2018
92
104
It may be an apodization element, like with Sony/Minolta STF or Fuji APD.
I was thinking along the same lines. The APD elements really create impressive results for out-of-focus areas. But I also hear they suffer a steep light transmission penalty; somewhere between 2/3 to 1.5 stops. Not that it really matters with a 1.2 lens, though.
 

padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
599
217
If it is two 85's then it shouldn't off been too much to adapt the non DS models to DS.

Fuji's APD as mentioned about by Padam had a downside but I forget what that was.
In Fuji's case it is not compatible with phase-detect AF.
I was thinking along the same lines. The APD elements really create impressive results for out-of-focus areas. But I also hear they suffer a steep light transmission penalty; somewhere between 2/3 to 1.5 stops. Not that it really matters with a 1.2 lens, though.
That's inevitable, but of course as a latest development, the light loss might not be as severe.
Personally, the EF 85/1.2 already hits the mark, where the blur doesn't need to be smoother still (for way less money). Looking at STF examples, in some cases it looks too smooth for me to the point of not being as characterful.
 
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suburbia

EOS M50
Aug 9, 2013
48
2
85mm is the one "zoom" focal length I really miss. Terrified about the likely price point though... f/1.2 L, would be nice to have a 1.4 or 1.8 option for the RF mount
 

Roy Hunte

EOS R
Aug 30, 2018
35
23
85mm is the one "zoom" focal length I really miss. Terrified about the likely price point though... f/1.2 L, would be nice to have a 1.4 or 1.8 option for the RF mount
That may come later with some more entry level lenses.
 

Hector1970

EOS 6D MK II
Mar 22, 2012
1,094
272
Speed of focusing will be interesting.
The RF 85mm 1.2 II is slow (but 1.6 times faster than the 85mm 1.2 original).
Focus by wire isn't great.
I assume this would be much better.
I love my 85mm 1.2 as when it nails it, it nails it.
Very easy not to be in focus.
 

jdavidse

EOS T7i
Sep 13, 2012
58
34
Speed of focusing will be interesting.
The RF 85mm 1.2 II is slow (but 1.6 times faster than the 85mm 1.2 original).
Focus by wire isn't great.
I assume this would be much better.
I love my 85mm 1.2 as when it nails it, it nails it.
Very easy not to be in focus.
Look to the RF 50mm
 

kaptainkatsu

1DX Mark II
Sep 29, 2015
166
62
85mm is the one "zoom" focal length I really miss. Terrified about the likely price point though... f/1.2 L, would be nice to have a 1.4 or 1.8 option for the RF mount
Get the EF 85 1.4. It is a FANTASTIC lens. It'll probably one of the later lenses to be updated to RF since it was released recently.
 

slclick

PINHOLE
Dec 17, 2013
3,157
685
If you can get stopped down ( 2.8-ish ?) sharpness from a 1.2 lens and still keep the 1.2 style bokeh, that's amazing.
 

Del Paso

M3 Singlestroke
Aug 9, 2018
553
533
Speed of focusing will be interesting.
The RF 85mm 1.2 II is slow (but 1.6 times faster than the 85mm 1.2 original).
Focus by wire isn't great.
I assume this would be much better.
I love my 85mm 1.2 as when it nails it, it nails it.
Very easy not to be in focus.
I guess you meant The EF 1,2/85 II...
 

Berowne

... they sparkle still the right Promethean fire.
Jun 7, 2014
254
93
Maybe this is one of the "concept lenses" which were mentioned by Mr. Mizoguchi in the interview with Dave Etchells at Imaging Resource.
 
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