You can use the screen for AF point selection whilst using the EVF, and if it’s too big, you can use a smaller area, much like a Wacom, so there’s that
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So far so good, the Canon EOS R pleasantly surprised Jared
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You can use the screen for AF point selection whilst using the EVF, and if it’s too big, you can use a smaller area, much like a Wacom, so there’s that
Thank goodness you aren't designing cameras! Good luck moving between 5000+ AF points with a joystick. This has already been mentioned 100+ times here, and in every EOS R youtube review video.. you select AF points by dragging your thumb on the rear LCD screen. Not the touch-bar. while looking through the viewfinder. while looking through the viewfinder. while looking through the viewfinder. There is no lag. It's a very similar screen to the 5DIV.
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I think the spec sheet gives you some base information, but I agree that it certainly doesn't tell the whole story. Having reviewers on site is really the only way to showcase those intangibles (i.e. ergonomics and user experience) though, which is how we get into this impartiality mess. If camera companies want reviewers to try out their cameras in an environment that showcases the camera's capabilities, the reviewers are likely to get flown out to a test location and thus impartiality will always be questioned. The same thing (and concerns) happened when Sony flew reviewers out to New York to test the a9. I don't think I have seen one review of the EOS R that forgot to mention the key shortcomings, so I'm inclined to say the reviewers are not giving the camera a break because they went to Hawaii.
At the end of the day every camera model offers a package or combination of those desired features at a price point their parent companies feel will be compelling. Canon has been frequently ridiculed for releasing bodies which are missing one feature or another, but they do almost always have a separate feature which is unique to their system and presents a different value proposition. This characteristic that Canon is so frequently ridiculed for may actually be its greatest strength - omitting some features in favour of adding features which are unique to the brand help to distinguish their company from others while keeping price points comparable. Obviously if Canon included all the features people are missing in reviews, the camera's price point would likely have to increase, or they'd have to remove some features unique to the camera. For instance, the R's features which seem to be really driving the ire of reviewers are single card slots, no FF 4k, no 120 fps at 1080p, slow burst mode, eye-af single shooting only, no rapid silent shutter. On the other hand, the R comes with several features which are unique and can only be found on their system (and in some cases maybe in one more camera) such as: flip/rotate screen on full frame mirrorless, control ring on lenses, sensor protection by shutter while camera is off, drop in filters on adapter, focus at f/11 (2x tele on many more lenses with af possible), focus at -6 ev, and arguably the most exciting launch lens lineup (subjective to be fair). It seems that Canon believes that the unique features list is going to drive more sales than the missing feature list will lose. I don't know if they're right, but I would say if given the option to choose between having all the features missing from the R or having all the unique features from the R, I would probably chose the R's unique features. To each their own though!
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Well, so far the reviews look promising. They are much better, than what Canon usually gets. Maybe, people weren't expecting that much from C.
I also like what I've seen so far; Canon addressed the main concern I had with mirrorless so far. Sony was (is) all about downsizing, which works against the ergonomics in some areas; a camera is a single purpose tool, and we need to make adjustments fast, at best with dedicated buttons. The EOS R is a little bit bigger than the A7, and so it offers more buttons, and a bigger grip. I like what they did, maybe, I can somehow justify to spend so much on a camera.
I also like what I've seen so far; Canon addressed the main concern I had with mirrorless so far. Sony was (is) all about downsizing, which works against the ergonomics in some areas; a camera is a single purpose tool, and we need to make adjustments fast, at best with dedicated buttons. The EOS R is a little bit bigger than the A7, and so it offers more buttons, and a bigger grip. I like what they did, maybe, I can somehow justify to spend so much on a camera.
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That's not a lot, if the joystick is done right. Even better, a joustick can be held in a fixed position to track monotonously moving targets.
Thumb? I have a nose there.
Maybe I should select AF points by dragging my nose?
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How about when you flip vertically with the grip and you can't reach the LCD anymore with your thumb? Did you think of that one? Also i've said a touch sensitive pad where the joystick would be would be a nice option.
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That is not correct. I'm not "taking it easy" on Canon because they flew us to Hawaii. Nikon "flew" people to NYC for their event. I don't need to fly to NYC since I live in Philly.
What Nikon needed to do was put cameras in our hands for more than an hour. Canon put cameras in our hands and we had three days to use them and at the end take them home for 6 weeks to continue using them. So in an hour at the Nikon event, you can't exactly learn how to use the camera full, thus why I didn't put out a review, only a preview.
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Love that we're seeing more and more impressions/reviews. Camera seems like a great fit for me. Only thing preventing me from pre-ordering now is I need to hear from someone with hands-on time with the camera if there's a performance difference between native Canon EF lenses and 3rd party EF lenses using the adapter on this camera. All the impressions so far have only mentioned Canon glass but I have a few Sigma Art lenses I can't do without.
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Thanks for the response. I'm not accusing you of taking it easy, I think you were absolutely fair. I was noting that some other reviewers and commenters were making the suggestion that the responses to Canon were not impartial because people were flown around. I disagree with that - I think you have to handle the camera to understand the value proposition it provides, which means you have to be where the camera is. In fact, I find it really interesting to compare responses to the camera from people who have handled it versus those that have just seen the spec sheet.
My only point in my initial comment was noting that those accusations were floating around, not that they were valid. I think you are right to reserve comments on the Nikon cameras until you have sufficient time to review and test.
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while less megapixel, I like that capability too. I happen to be coming from Crop so some of my lenses are EF-S...
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It's just not proven yet. Even if Canon released a 1R along side with the R TODAY, with same exact or better specs than the 1DX2, all the sports photographers in the world won't just immediately switch. The 1DX2 is proven and reliable. Journalists and Sports Photographers need proven reliability, not just spec sheets.
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I do a lot of underwater photography and the equipment is very expensive, especially the housing which is specific to the 5DM3. I'm committed to that camera for the foreseeable future. I don't see the housing manufacturers milling housings for this camera just yet, and whether it's even possible given the touch-controls. I hope Canon does go to manual controls like the joystick for their higher-end ML cameras. Dual slots is a necessity in my line of underwater work, and of course battery life. My 5DM3 runs forever on one charge and I don't have to remove it from a sealed, pressurized housing due to batteries. Whatever ML camera I get someday has to have that kind of longevity.
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My understanding is that the BestBuy sales guys do not work on commission. But, of course they do want their store to have good sales so as to not go out of business. Personally, I trust some of the reviewers and you get to know their biases after reading them over a long period of time.
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Everyone complaining about the LCD being used for AF point selection istead of the old, slow joystick: wait until the camera arrives. Then you can keep complaining, or experience the future of AF point selection. Oh yeah, there's also the multi-directional pad and the control dial if you decide drag AF is too fast for you. Options for everyone really. It reminds me of those weddings where you see the couple awkwardly posing for ages...then start to look at each other (as if to say umm who is this guy trying to take out photos)..while the "photographer" is still screaming at them to "hold". Just take the damn photo already!
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Did you operate the joystick with your nose? Maybe a used 5DII is more suited for your needs.
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I love my 1Dx2 with the 70-200 2.8 II and with the 100-400 II. Low light performance, focus tracking under extreme conditions, and FPS bursts are key features of the 1Dx2 for my sports work. The new R lays the groundwork for more advancements in these areas, especially with over 5,000 focus points and eye focus.
I know, I've been slammed for suggesting that the R's eye focus is almost as good as Sony's because Canon's version doesn't offer it in servo -- yet. I'm given Canon the benefit of the doubt. Software and CPU development have been a strength of Canon and I have no doubt that firmware updates will improve upon the R's eye focus function and I also expect the future "pro" R to take this a step further.
I've been a hold out from mirrorless and saw no reason to consider it, largely because the 1Dx and 1Dx2 have met my needs well and Canon has the glass. But, if the new R is a non-Pro body, I see great potential for the Pro R version. Sports is where Canon hangs its hat and if Canon is working on a flagship mirrorless body, it will be a sports body. The 2020 Games will be a great opportunity for Canon to make a lot of noise in the industry with 1Rx.
I also wonder if the potential of dual pixel to tweak focus after the fact will be further developed with future sensors and software.
While I'm on the limb, might I suggest that the EOS R announcement, with its several lenses, will hurt the future Sony. I give Sony 5-10 years of relevance. Sony has been alone with its mirrorless bodies, but they failed to demonstrate a long term commitment to the glass. The "system" has been Canon's strength. They introduced the F1 surrounded by lots of FD glass, they introduced the EOS as a system with EF lenses, and now we have the EOS R -- which is "backed" by the current EF lineup thanks to the adapters.
Sony has a history of exploring technology leading products, then switching gears. They introduced the Walkman, but didn't stick with it long enough and let Apple run away with the pocket audio market with their iPod. Sony woke up two sleeping photo giants, but without a serious commitment to glass (and flash), Sony has just been dabbling in the photo stills business. Now that Canon and Nikon have made their commitments to mirrorless systems known, I expect Sony to switching gears is the near future -- maybe back to video.
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