Crap i thought that’s what forums where here for ! Anyway : everyone i know is dropping Canon ! Here we go truth is saved
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Canon executives say a lot more coming in 2019
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Exactly, it’s like : you dont need a faster processor on your computer... wake up 4k is mandatory !
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Look : « everyone buying lala »... in a market that’s down 30% since last year ! Put the facts in perspective : Canon’s cameras are Uninspiring ! So no one buys them. You can rant about the fact they are leaders on the market yes, but on a dying market.
Phones’s cameras are very inspiring compared to dslr/mirrosless today. We need great cameras, with amazing performances, the same way phones grew this last decade. Canon should make a phone for Christ sake ! They are stucked in the 80´s with retro-dead tech. Come on wake up !
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When is Sony going to stop reusing old sensors and give us modern features like Fuji?
The funny part about this is Sony makes all of Fuji's sensors including their MF GFX line. I guess they aren't that old after all lol!
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Dont be sad, it’s a forum ! If you want the truth go do a PHD. You’ll have 5 years to ponder on truth and exactitude ! Than you can go on forums and just have fun while other people think you’re all about truth...
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Does Sony use their MF sensors anywhere in their own cameras?
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Thing is when you leave your teenage years behind there's a big wide world out there. You will see.
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So, if you're 82 you are a fossil?
What about getting polite?????
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I'm saying that a whopping 3.5 stops of difference in these DR tests means relatively little, and 1 stop means nothing.
Complaining about the DR in the 5D4 or R is like complaining that the A73 only has 24mp while the 6D2 and RP have 26mp. (When is Sony going to stop recycling sensors and give us 27 or even 28mp??? If they don't fix this soon I'm switching to Canon!)
The incessant complaining on this board about relatively minor spec sheet differences gets on some of our nerves, as does the exaggeration of those differences. Different spec but as I pointed out earlier reading this thread one might walk away thinking that Canon doesn't have 4k on any camera yet while Sony A7 bodies some how magically gained 4k60p.
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Here is the Canon 7D sensor measurement at PhotonsToPhotos vs. the S1. Not 7D mark II, but the original. Worse dynamic range than a 6D2 or RP.
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That's a difference of 3.5 stops. Based on that you would assume a massive difference in shadow recovery, would you not?
I've posted this before, but so that it can be easily compared to the Panasonic sample you posted:
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The shadow recovery in the Panasonic sample is deeper, but not by visual leaps and bounds as people who study graphs and scores might imagine. (And I held the sky
Point is once you get to the roughly "1ev" range between the 5D4 and a S1 or D850, you're looking at small differences in noise quality while pixel peeping. You're not actually looking at differences in what can be recognizably recovered and used.
The problem with both PhotonsToPhotos and DxO is that nobody includes a clear legend which puts these differences into a meaningful context.
The read noise for Panasonic S1 is alot lower. This could mean less noise in the shadow recovery. I don't know but it requires more testing.
In your sample, there is clarity, vibrance and saturation adjustments. In the sample provided, the photographer made no adjustment to those area : https://www.l-rumors.com/page/2/
How would this translate in real life? I don't know...I print large canvas 24 x 36 pretty often and pretty adept with post processing so I'll see if there is a huge differences in my workflow.
It's a nice bonus to have a competitive sensor that rival Nikon and Sony. Panasonic S1 definite is a great bang for your buck vs Canon EOS R that's similar price without IBIS, dual card slot, 2 year old sensor, focus bracketing, joystick, 5.76 million dot EVF, 4K60, high resolution mode, backlit buttons with alot of things that make Canon a good camera (ergonomic, weather seal, menu, fully touch screen LCD, logical button layout).
I'm not saying all this because I'm a Panasonic fanboy but just as someone who is brand agnostic looking for a great value. I have no problem buying into Canon again if they provide competitive offering with their EOS R Pro line at a competitive value.
We are really chasing a diminish return on newer camera body and lenses. I bought the Panasonic S1 for $2250 NEW with free battery and grip ($435). If I sell my 5D IV, I can probably get around $2000 for it. It's hard justifying buying EOS R for $2300 retail price even though I make money off photography and can afford more. I think Canon really need to rethink their value proposition. They are competing against themselves to protect their DSLR/cinema line vs what the competitors are offering.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_ADU.htm
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If Canon includes more competitive video features on their cameras, they will end up encompassing another demographic, selling more cameras. But they must have the will to do the R&D to make it happen and include the features in the first place. In the long run, if they invest in the development, these features will sell more cameras, not less. And I don't think their development process could get slower than it already is.
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I’m sad for people who can’t grasp basic facts, refuse to admit their mistakes, and believe their opinon trumps reality. No plans to do another PhD, the one I have is sufficient.
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I'm absolutely certain it does mean that. But how that translates to practical, in field differences is the point that is lost when people complain about scores.
None of which affect the actual shadow recovery.
And we're right back to the "old, uncompetitive sensor" narrative
I agree the new S bodies are interesting and well spec'd. But sensor vs. sensor I would pick the R's 30mp over the S1's 24mp (for stills) because that difference might actually be visible in a few cases (large prints and/or extreme cropping). The DxO scores in your screenshot aren't going to be visible any where outside of 200% pixel peeping. Canon's 30mp sensor is competitive.
I admittedly would not sell a 5D4 for an R if I was facing that decision.
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The fact that, for the most part, the features you are referring to are already available on Canon cameras (albeit in some cases only the 1-series or Cinema line) indicates the research has been done, as far as the technical aspects, and those are features they could include across the lineups. But Canon also does another type of research —market research...and that provides data on which features they should include. The fact that they haven’t included the features you want in the models you want them in suggests their research led to conclusions that differ from yours. I suspect their market research on how to drive sales is more reliable than your personal opinion on what Canon should do (certainly their ongoing ILC market dominance suggests they’re doing things right despite mounds of contrary ‘expert advice’ on these forums), but either way it’s irrelevant because the decisions are theirs.
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99% of consumers are clueless.
To get good 4K requires skill beyond just having the camera.
A home movie of your vacation to the Poconos etc. would bore me to death even in 16K.
There is so much more than the number and you don't seem to understand that concept. A 4K TV with a professionally done 4K program is likely very nice, but your home movie is far from that quality no matter how good your TV is it can't fix poor imagery, you just might get possibly sharper looking crap.
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