Preorder the Canon EOS 90D, EOS M6 Mark II, RF 15-35mm f/2.8L IS & RF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS

[neuroanatomist]

You sound like a sony troll jealous that you can not get a real camera and are stuck with the worst garbage on the planet.

You sound like a canon fanboi having wet dreams about a camera you hope for that will probably never come. Go pump those compact smaller zoom lenses you want in and out for a while, maybe that’ll move things along for you.

 

[Rixy]

2299$ for RF 15-35mm at introduction? I will definitely get one when first adopter price come down. 849$ is also a great price for a great camera. This intrigues me how the m5 II will perform, even though I am saving for the 5d mirrorless successor.

Reasonable price, it's ok. It is a fact that has the same (or better) quality as the sony GM 16-35mm

 

[Rixy]

UK price for 90D is £1209.99, which is basically the US price plus VAT. The price would have been much lower without Brexit. Availability end of September.

No, Spain is part of the European Union and has the highest prices

 

[addola]

I'm not saying it's 2K upscaled to 4K, but it's not full sensor readout oversampled 4K either. In the dpreview video preview they said the full frame 4K is lower quality than the crop 4K.

The claim that the 90D has upscaled 4K is "somewhat" in Canon's own promotional video, where it says "4K UHD resolution through image processing". Some say that means "upscaled", "pixel binning" or "line skipping". Thing is, video always have post processing whether it's 4K or 1080p unless it's Canon's 1:1 readout (where we have that 4K crop)

There is a popular claim that the EOS R has upscaled 2K, and I think you can see it in "Max Yuriev" YouTube videos. But a video made by Potato Jet (Canon user) & Armando Ferreira (Sony user) where they tested the A7 III & EOS R with the exact same lens adapted to both cameras showed similar 4K video quality, with the EOS R beating A7III in 1080p

 

[AlanF]

No, Spain is part of the European Union and has the highest prices

By EU law, anyone in Spain can order it from a UK dealer at the UK price, import it without any further taxes and have the same EU-wide warranty. Or, indeed order it from any other EU country - see https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-pricing/index_en.htm
where the EU states that manufacturers have to charge the same price in different EU counties
“Price discrimination is not allowed
As an EU national, a trader cannot charge you more when you buy a product or service just because of your nationality or country of residence. Some price differences can be justified if they're based on objective criteria and not just on nationality. For example, differing postage costs may mean you pay more for delivery in one country than in another. However, traders may still set different net sale prices in different points of sale, such as shops and websites, or may target specific offers only to a specific territory within a Member State. Under EU rules, all these offers must be accessible for consumers from other EU countries.”

 

[koenkooi]

By EU law, anyone in Spain can order it from a UK dealer at the UK price, import it without any further taxes and have the same EU-wide warranty. Or, indeed order it from any other EU country - see https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-pricing/index_en.htm
where the EU states that manufacturers have to charge the same price in different EU counties
“Price discrimination is not allowed
As an EU national, a trader cannot charge you more when you buy a product or service just because of your nationality or country of residence. Some price differences can be justified if they're based on objective criteria and not just on nationality. For example, differing postage costs may mean you pay more for delivery in one country than in another. However, traders may still set different net sale prices in different points of sale, such as shops and websites, or may target specific offers only to a specific territory within a Member State. Under EU rules, all these offers must be accessible for consumers from other EU countries.”

The caveat with that is that companies that sell items are not required to jump through hoops to ship the item outside their usual region. The example used is a washing machine that's €50 cheaper in Spain compared to Germany. If the usual shipping company doesn't operate outside of Spain, the store than is allowed to say "Come pick it up".

I don't expect issues with camera gear and big stores, but be aware that the law only covers the sale.

 

[Scenes]

It was reported earlier that it is 2K up converted to 4K just like the EOS R.

Where was this reported? Is it an actual fact or just speculation ?

 

[Hector1970]

By EU law, anyone in Spain can order it from a UK dealer at the UK price, import it without any further taxes and have the same EU-wide warranty. Or, indeed order it from any other EU country - see https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-pricing/index_en.htm
where the EU states that manufacturers have to charge the same price in different EU counties
“Price discrimination is not allowed
As an EU national, a trader cannot charge you more when you buy a product or service just because of your nationality or country of residence. Some price differences can be justified if they're based on objective criteria and not just on nationality. For example, differing postage costs may mean you pay more for delivery in one country than in another. However, traders may still set different net sale prices in different points of sale, such as shops and websites, or may target specific offers only to a specific territory within a Member State. Under EU rules, all these offers must be accessible for consumers from other EU countries.”

I think you have to pay VAT differences if your countries rate is higher. But other than that you pay the price plus the additional postage costs

 

[AlanF]

I think you have to pay VAT differences if your countries rate is higher. But other than that you pay the price plus the additional postage costs

VAT rates do vary. The minimum for such consumer items in the EU is 15%, and it can be as high as 24% in Greece. If a Greek buys in the UK when he is here and takes it home, he has no additional VAT to pay.

I remember well the bad old days when everyone price gouged the UK, especially the car manufacturers. People would go over to Belgium and buy right hand drive cars and drive them back as it was far cheaper.

 

[Architect1776]

You sound like a canon fanboi having wet dreams about a camera you hope for that will probably never come. Go pump those compact smaller zoom lenses you want in and out for a while, maybe that’ll move things along for you.

You confirmed it.

 

[Architect1776]

Not too excited by these two cameras so far. The M6II is quite expensive and with a view finder is even more expensive.
Screen only wouldn't suit me. It doesn't feel like photography.
The 90D I'll be interested in it being tested for sport and if its really good.
The price is good and if you didn't have a 7DII, it would be a good option.
I'm looking for something that's a definite improvement on a 7DII.
Maybe this still could be it but I don't think so.
I guess a 1DX III will be up soon. Far more expensive but might be the peak of DSLR.
It might be the last 1 series DSLR.
It will be years before a mirrorless camera will match the battery life.
The pro mirrorless will also be interesting

A thought on battery life.
If a pro mirrorless can be made smaller and less complex due to lack of mirror box perhaps the camera could remain the same size as the current 1D series and that space have 2 or so extra batteries to provide the extended life needed for pro use until battery technology moves forward more or more energy efficient mirrorless are created.

 

[Sharlin]

Where was this reported? Is it an actual fact or just speculation ?

In today's world of "alternative facts", "reported" means "someone said something on the internet so it must be true"

 

[slclick]

The 90D already has a authorized dealer street price of 1099, that was fast.

 

[Rixy]

By EU law, anyone in Spain can order it from a UK dealer at the UK price, import it without any further taxes and have the same EU-wide warranty. Or, indeed order it from any other EU country - see https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-pricing/index_en.htm
where the EU states that manufacturers have to charge the same price in different EU counties
“Price discrimination is not allowed
As an EU national, a trader cannot charge you more when you buy a product or service just because of your nationality or country of residence. Some price differences can be justified if they're based on objective criteria and not just on nationality. For example, differing postage costs may mean you pay more for delivery in one country than in another. However, traders may still set different net sale prices in different points of sale, such as shops and websites, or may target specific offers only to a specific territory within a Member State. Under EU rules, all these offers must be accessible for consumers from other EU countries.”

But the reality is different

 

[Chaitanya]

Checked with my local shop, 90D is available for preorder at price of 112995 INR(1599$ converts to 114372.47 INR) with availability of mid Sept. Generally Canon ships their xxD cameras with a memory card and 2 year warranty. Not sure of card but 2 year warranty is available right now.

 

[SecureGSM]

Rubbish, just be patient...

Interesting, are you keen to elaborate?