Are these the 7 RF lenses Canon will be announcing in 2020? [CR1]

Am I the only one who was hoping for a 24mm, 1.2?
A prime lens less than 24mm and below f2 would be great for astro/milky way. 24mm is a little bit limiting for that but works ok for me (I've shot stars at 24mm f2.8 with my 24-70).
Depending on the price, I'd be very interested in a wide-angle wide-aperture prime. f1.2 would allow shooting at ISO ~400-800 instead of 1600-3200 which would be great.
 
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i shoot at ISO 6400 with 5DIV quite a lot. it is not as bad as you define. certainly not a mushy image. i guess, it depends on a workflow one is following.,

DXO Photolab3 certainly takes good care of ISO6400 RAW files of 5DIV.

I found that with my RP, any amount of noise reduction whatsoever killed the quality of my in-camera jpgs, but with no noise reduction at all, even 12800 is usable for me (grainy, but attractive).
 
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I was hoping for the rumored unique RF macro lens in this list. 100 f/2 1:1 would be fine with me, but I want tack sharp edges for copy work. IS would be a bonus even with IBIS for handheld macro work, especially IIF (insects in flight).

Such a f/2 macro might be an L lens hopefully with IS and I think it will be around 1200 bucks but that would be o.k. for me because ... it would combine two lenses together, a real macro lens AND a low light beast (because of IS).
 
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I see that now,thanks.
Well, as I see it the EOS-R doesn’t have either of them: the AF is very fast and accurate and there is no shutter lag.Of course, I guess you have to use and learn the camera before blaming the OOF photos on it.
My only grip with the EOS-R is the lag in the EVF when shooting fast action. Nothing else...
Then my camera must have something wrong, because i do only wildlife (from years ago) and im having always front or backfocusing problems. The camera confirms focus in servo or one-shot and its clearly off... For BirdsInFlight, stationary subjects like in my bird-hide... And im not talking about the speed wich is slower compared to my dslr's.. Im talking about a thing that a mirrorless camera is supposed to have not.. In fact i do microadjustments in my dslr cameras to nail the focus always, but in this sistem you can't. I've tried everything : configuration of all the af scenarios(locked speed etc) , isos, shutter speeds, apertures, focusing areas/metods and always the same isue.. Im waiting to test it with the Rf100-500 and give it the oportunity of being an ef-to-rf thing but probably it would be a waste of time and money...

Ps: im waiting for a pure wildlife canon mirrorless like the Sony A9, and some Rf 300 2.8, 400 2.8, 500 F4.... But probably it is better to sell everything of my Rf sistem and wait patiently with my old dslr
 
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Thanks for clarification. I only asked what shutter lag was and I didn't imply questions about anyone's first language etc.
Actually, the shutter lag ("time from fully pressing shutter button to image capture") is relatively long in R in mechanical shutter mode, because the shutter needs to close first, and only then to start opening again. The shutter lag in the electronic first curtain mode is slightly shorter than the shutter lag of 5D4.
 
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Actually, the shutter lag ("time from fully pressing shutter button to image capture") is relatively long in R in mechanical shutter mode, because the shutter needs to close first, and only then to start opening again. The shutter lag in the electronic first curtain mode is slightly shorter than the shutter lag of 5D4.
Very interesting thanks, I've never thought about these shutter challenges on mirrorless.
In terms of the EVF lag, I'm wondering why it becomes an issue. If EVF does 30fps, it's 33ms delay max which is 2 times lower than the shutter lag, and 3 times lower than human's reaction.

However, I haven't seen the R's EVF, but LV on DSLRs feels much more laggy than 33ms, I can tell by simply waiving my hand in front of the camera. I'd say there's maybe 100-200ms delay. The signal processing before the frame is rendered on the back screen clearly takes much longer.
 
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I know! Already own the 28-70 F2. Months ago, I sold almost all my EF mount primes to purchase that monster.... and I will never regret about that change :love: but I work as a wedding photographer. For the moment, the combination of 17-40 f4 + 28-70 f2 is more than enough for my work. But never knows, the future will tell :)
If I had the means to do both zooms and primes I would. But I'm not giving up my 1.4L primes. The zooms look incredible and it's VERY tempting (especially now that we will have IBIS moving forward) but I love my 1.4 too much. I'm far more tempted to get a 24-70 f2.8 IS. I need a quality all-arounder but I'm not gonna spend $3000 for one. For someone who is building a kit (no lens library yet) the f2 zooms make a LOT of sense. Buying a '35 and 50 is more than the f2 zoom (provided you are willing to sacrifice 1 stop on EF and 1.5 on RF)
 
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In terms of the EVF lag, I'm wondering why it becomes an issue. If EVF does 30fps, it's 33ms delay max which is 2 times lower than the shutter lag, and 3 times lower than human's reaction.
It's a delay not from the time when the event happened, but from the time the photoelectrons that recorded the event have got scanned from the sensor, the whole scanned image has been processed and converted for packing into JPEG.

Also, the main problem this delay causes seems (to me) to be in the ability to do panning (of tightly framed scenes in particular). For dynamic scenes, human brain actually sees not what is shown on the EVF, but what would be expected to see on the EVF given the preceding frames, the innate delay of human vision (about 100 ms or so) and the brain's ability to predict what has been happening during that time. This ability was built upon training to follow the projection of a moving real world object without an EVF delay, both as:
1. the natural selection for human brains that can hunt better and
2. the particular training the photographers have already got with their OVFs.
How much it's the latter and not the former will determine how successful the photographers can be in retraining themselves to pan tightly framed scenes with EVFs.
 
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Very interesting thanks, I've never thought about these shutter challenges on mirrorless.
In terms of the EVF lag, I'm wondering why it becomes an issue. If EVF does 30fps, it's 33ms delay max which is 2 times lower than the shutter lag, and 3 times lower than human's reaction.
30 FPS would render an EVF unusable. Even LiveView is 60 FPS on the current DSLRs.

In another thread I described some of the issues that arise when using an EVF for fast subjects:

 
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It's a delay not from the time when the event happened, but from the time the photoelectrons that recorded the event have got scanned from the sensor, the whole scanned image has been processed and converted for packing into JPEG.

Yep. The thing is, all these operations should be taking less than one frame duration (on average), otherwise you don't get the desired FPS number for EVF or LiveView. If they're taking more than one frame persistently, you'll need to skip rendering persistently and the FPS drops. The calculations get more tricky if some parallel processing happens, still the processing time shouldn't be drastically different from the time period between the frames.

How much it's the latter and not the former will determine how successful the photographers can be in retraining themselves to pan tightly framed scenes with EVFs.
I haven't shot action with EVF yet but what you say may be very true. But if they bring the EVF lag down to 1/30 - 1/60s, it'll be much less than other factors.
 
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