5Div now, or 5Dv when it comes - what difference might DIgic8/9 make?

StoicalEtcher

EOS 80D
Jan 3, 2018
127
48
Yorkshire
I currently shoot with 5Diii and 5D (Classic). Original 5D is on it's last legs (>300,000 shutter), so time to upgrade is approaching - and coincidently the 5Div price in the UK (at least) is becoming very reasonable.

As I ponder whether to retire the 5D now or wait a while, my question to open out to the forum is whether to await the 5Dv (assuming it ever comes) or just get the 5Div sooner. Most of all, away from 'wish-listing', I'm wondering what a 5Dv could achieve over the 5Div simply by adopting the latest digic processor as against the 6+ in the 5Div, and adopting other existent tech (of Canon's). [I'm a photog rather than an engineer, so interested in the take of those more technically minded than me].

For background, money is not really an object, my photography is rarely time critical (so I don't HAVE to have a back-up, such as a wedding photog might desire) - I'm more curious about what a 5Dv could easily have as against 5Div, simply using existing/or coming tech.

I'm not looking for a "wish list" for a 5Dv , that thread already exists here: https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/5d-mark-v-wish-list.35229/

Also, for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not eliciting responses to whether a 5Dv will ever come - you can find this here if interested : https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/5d5.36756/

So: what do you think a 5Dv could have over the 5Div, and would you wait or buy 5Div now? (I'm not yet taken with mirrorless, before that is suggested - too many threads on that already! :) )

Thanks. Stoical.
 

unfocused

EOS 5D SR
In the fine tradition of this forum, I will answer your question by not answering it. :)

The 5DV is most likely more than a year away. Then, after it comes out, expect to pay the early adopter premium for up to a year. So, if you want to wait, be prepared to wait awhile.

My take: The 5DIV has settled in now to the price it will likely remain at until just before the 5DV is released. So, waiting has little advantage. The differences between the III and IV are major in my opinion (I have owned both): Much better noise and latitude due to the newer sensor design with on-sensor processing; fully-functional touch screen; noticeably better autofocus; higher megapixel count with less noise at higher ISOs than the III, f8 autofocus points across the screen.

Some people consider these minor improvements. I don't. I find the higher megapixel count to be a really big deal when shooting subjects where you are distance limited or need to crop. The increased latitude of the sensor makes processing much easier and more flexible. I don't use the touch screen all the time because I forget about it, but when I remember, I find it much faster and easier. The f8 autofocus points makes this my preferred body when using the 100-400 5.6 with a converter.

What will the 5DV bring? No one knows. If it has the same degree of improvements, you may want to upgrade, but by buying the 5DIV now, you will feel less pressure to upgrade during the first six months to a year after release and allow you to wait until the rebates and price cuts settle in.
 

3kramd5

EOS 5D MK IV
Mar 2, 2012
3,043
375
What difference might a new processor bring?

Faster processing for improved features (e.g., autofocus, video); lower power consumption.


 

Del Paso

M3 Singlestroke
Aug 9, 2018
467
439
In the fine tradition of this forum, I will answer your question by not answering it. :)

The 5DV is most likely more than a year away. Then, after it comes out, expect to pay the early adopter premium for up to a year. So, if you want to wait, be prepared to wait awhile.

My take: The 5DIV has settled in now to the price it will likely remain at until just before the 5DV is released. So, waiting has little advantage. The differences between the III and IV are major in my opinion (I have owned both): Much better noise and latitude due to the newer sensor design with on-sensor processing; fully-functional touch screen; noticeably better autofocus; higher megapixel count with less noise at higher ISOs than the III, f8 autofocus points across the screen.

Some people consider these minor improvements. I don't. I find the higher megapixel count to be a really big deal when shooting subjects where you are distance limited or need to crop. The increased latitude of the sensor makes processing much easier and more flexible. I don't use the touch screen all the time because I forget about it, but when I remember, I find it much faster and easier. The f8 autofocus points makes this my preferred body when using the 100-400 5.6 with a converter.

What will the 5DV bring? No one knows. If it has the same degree of improvements, you may want to upgrade, but by buying the 5DIV now, you will feel less pressure to upgrade during the first six months to a year after release and allow you to wait until the rebates and price cuts settle in.
I recently upgraded from the EOS 5 D III, and can fully confirm your saying. Buying the 5 D IV will be no mistake, the improvements are visible.
Only drawback in my opinion is the lesser battery-life, depending, of course to a large extent, on your settings.
 
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StoicalEtcher

EOS 80D
Jan 3, 2018
127
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Yorkshire
In the fine tradition of this forum, I will answer your question by not answering it. :)

The 5DV is most likely more than a year away. Then, after it comes out, expect to pay the early adopter premium for up to a year. So, if you want to wait, be prepared to wait awhile.

My take: The 5DIV has settled in now to the price it will likely remain at until just before the 5DV is released. So, waiting has little advantage. The differences between the III and IV are major in my opinion (I have owned both): Much better noise and latitude due to the newer sensor design with on-sensor processing; fully-functional touch screen; noticeably better autofocus; higher megapixel count with less noise at higher ISOs than the III, f8 autofocus points across the screen.

Some people consider these minor improvements. I don't. I find the higher megapixel count to be a really big deal when shooting subjects where you are distance limited or need to crop. The increased latitude of the sensor makes processing much easier and more flexible. I don't use the touch screen all the time because I forget about it, but when I remember, I find it much faster and easier. The f8 autofocus points makes this my preferred body when using the 100-400 5.6 with a converter.

What will the 5DV bring? No one knows. If it has the same degree of improvements, you may want to upgrade, but by buying the 5DIV now, you will feel less pressure to upgrade during the first six months to a year after release and allow you to wait until the rebates and price cuts settle in.
And in the same spirit (;)), your answer is much appreciated nonetheless - all good points and very helpful.

I realise there would be an uplift in resolution, but I have to say that I still have little problem with the files the 5D turns out, for most uses (mostly landscape and specialist portraiture). I have no problems at all with the 5Diii, and am not desperate for files that are any larger, but realise that will be inevitable.
 
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StoicalEtcher

EOS 80D
Jan 3, 2018
127
48
Yorkshire
What difference might a new processor bring?

Faster processing for improved features (e.g., autofocus, video); lower power consumption.


Interesting last point, given how many users seem to raise 5Div battery life as one of the few drawbacks - do the later digics help with battery life / lower power consumption?
 

padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
545
193
After the release of the 1DX III, more can be speculated about the 5D V, the AF systems will probably evolve a little from where they are currently. It is likely to keep the same body or very similar (maybe with a swivel screen).
It will continue to use two types of faster memory cards, UHS-II SD and CFExpress 2.0 is a possibility.
And with that comes the usual upgrades in terms of speed (8+ fps), better screen and video features (4k60p would be a logical evolution, which would suggest that the megapixel count will not increase markedly).
It will get some extra features like silent shutter, better live-view AF, etc.
For landscape work, there might not be a big step over the Mark IV, the extra features will make it more usable as an all-round camera, which is what the 5D is targeted at.

A newer processor can only bring a minor improvement to the battery life (a newer battery would be much more significant), it has more to do with how one uses the camera, with an optical viewfinder, the power consumption is much less, LiveView is getting more and more useful, but it takes up more power.
 

3kramd5

EOS 5D MK IV
Mar 2, 2012
3,043
375
Interesting last point, given how many users seem to raise 5Div battery life as one of the few drawbacks - do the later digics help with battery life / lower power consumption?
If it’s a die shrink, it will likely be more power efficient.
 

tmc784

I love photography
Apr 1, 2018
77
22
I have 5D4, it is a very good for still shot camera, worth with the money.
 

StoicalEtcher

EOS 80D
Jan 3, 2018
127
48
Yorkshire
I have 5D4, it is a very good for still shot camera, worth with the money.
I don't doubt it for a minute - I really don't believe any of the single digit (1,5,6,7) cameras are anything other than good for the price - sure they may not have the specific feature or price that some want, but none of them are bad when it comes to either making art or recording fact (whichever your personal photographic bent is).

It's more that the time is about here for me to make the upgrade decision, and I am curious as to what difference the latest (or next) digic would make to the 5Dv, without speculating about any other new bleeding-edge technology introduced with it.

Cheers
 

docsmith

EOS 6D MK II
Sep 17, 2010
849
200
Best advice I have heard on the matter, buy the best camera for you at the time you are looking and do not look back.

Everything else is speculation, much of it may not even come true, but with technology, there will always be the "next thing."

BTW, own the 5DIV, amazing camera. Highly recommend it.
 

Mt Spokane Photography

I post too Much on Here!!
Mar 25, 2011
15,365
621
I wouldn't wait for a 5D Mark V. It may never happen since mirrorless sales are taking off. I'm not saying anything against a DSLR, just being pragmatic.
 

tmc784

I love photography
Apr 1, 2018
77
22
I don't doubt it for a minute - I really don't believe any of the single digit (1,5,6,7) cameras are anything other than good for the price - sure they may not have the specific feature or price that some want, but none of them are bad when it comes to either making art or recording fact (whichever your personal photographic bent is).

It's more that the time is about here for me to make the upgrade decision, and I am curious as to what difference the latest (or next) digic would make to the 5Dv, without speculating about any other new bleeding-edge technology introduced with it.

Cheers
If you need to upgrade now, just do it.
There is no 5DV, it is a rumor.
 

jeanluc

EOS 80D
Oct 29, 2012
149
53
I currently shoot with 5Diii and 5D (Classic). Original 5D is on it's last legs (>300,000 shutter), so time to upgrade is approaching - and coincidently the 5Div price in the UK (at least) is becoming very reasonable.

As I ponder whether to retire the 5D now or wait a while, my question to open out to the forum is whether to await the 5Dv (assuming it ever comes) or just get the 5Div sooner. Most of all, away from 'wish-listing', I'm wondering what a 5Dv could achieve over the 5Div simply by adopting the latest digic processor as against the 6+ in the 5Div, and adopting other existent tech (of Canon's). [I'm a photog rather than an engineer, so interested in the take of those more technically minded than me].

For background, money is not really an object, my photography is rarely time critical (so I don't HAVE to have a back-up, such as a wedding photog might desire) - I'm more curious about what a 5Dv could easily have as against 5Div, simply using existing/or coming tech.

I'm not looking for a "wish list" for a 5Dv , that thread already exists here: https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/5d-mark-v-wish-list.35229/

Also, for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not eliciting responses to whether a 5Dv will ever come - you can find this here if interested : https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/5d5.36756/

So: what do you think a 5Dv could have over the 5Div, and would you wait or buy 5Div now? (I'm not yet taken with mirrorless, before that is suggested - too many threads on that already! :) )

Thanks. Stoical.
If you are set on a DSLR, get the 5D4. As stated above, it is a major upgrade from the 5d3. Personally, I would just get an R. It will take very little time to get used to it, and you will love it.