A few more images of the Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L USM leak out ahead of this week’s announcement

SwissFrank

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Large focus group requiring a powerful USM Motor
Sure, but don't forget the EF 85/1.2's, though they only had 8 elements, those elements still weighed like 1kg and I think they all (or almost all) moved to focus. The RF elements look far thinner, and of course are only a subset.
 

sfeinsmith

I'm New Here
Aug 23, 2016
24
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For $2799 to purchase RF 85mm f/1.2 lens. NO WAY, I will not be surprised no one wants to spend that kind of price. The RF lenses will cost double over the EF lenses. What is more, I learned from a few people shared with me that they have a problem with RF lenses. Also a problem with R camera body too. Due to rush designed and hit the market without through quality control because Nikon already advanced into the market.

Canon has a long history of behavior with replacement parts. When they stopped make camera body or lens then the replacement parts automatic as discontinued. They will not sell the parts and encourage you to buy a new one.

One of my former EF lenses stopped working. Then I contacted Canon about the lens problem. They said, "Sorry we cannot repair that lens because of it obsolete as replacement parts were no longer available." I was in shock about this incident because my lens was only six years old with history around 229 shots. Fortunately, I fixed my lens as discovered bad soldered joint behind the rear end. I reheated solder joints at the same spot. The lens is working again.

My Canon EOS 1N RS body had a problem due found a cracked plastic part. Unfortunately, nothing surprise as Canon does not have the replacement part available. The part department said the only way for me to get the replacement part through eBay. Obviously, to buy $400 non-working camera to get the part that worth about a few bucks. I took the cracked part to create a duplicate by lathe and mill machines with a metal material. Bingo, I succeed duplicated and will not crack. My old EOS 1N RS, film-based camera work again with my Sigma ART lenses.

Of course, it took my time to make new parts. I am no longer trust with Canon. My opinion as for Nikon will be lead in photography as they provide both mirror-based and non-mirror-bases camera bodies. I also thank my friend who was a former Certified Canon technician. He fixed my Canon F-1 with new parts from my lathe and mill machines. It works perfectly now.

Canon should have continued to provide everyone with well-stocked replacement parts and support vintage cameras and lenses because the film already came back into the market again. My profession based on both films and digitals photography included Hasselblad V series.

Let Canon fall into the black hole. We still have Nikon that they provide excellent customer support.
 

SwissFrank

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But the price though...the price lmao.
I think you're getting value for money though. The RF 50mm f/1.2 makes you want to throw the EF 50's in the trash. 1.2, 1.4, 1.8, I shot them a lot and regret every minute in retrospect, knowing what real sharpness looks like. the RF 50's competition is the 55/1.4 Otus and 50 APO-Summicron, which are far more expensive as well as not having the aperture. The Sigma Art is excellent but not this good.

The RF50's 30lp/mm (black lines) sharpness in the center and corners is better than the EF50 1.2's at 10lp/mm (blue lines). You could call that 3x sharper linearly, or about 10x sharper in area terms.

The same is true vs. the 50mm f/1.8: wide open, despite bringing another stop, the RF is 10x sharper in the corners.

sAnd the 50/1.4 wide open was softer than the 50/1.8 wide open, so the RF is more than 10x sharper than the 1.4 despite an additional 1/3 stop.

I don't think we've ever seen such an improvement in sharpness. And since it's less than 10x more expensive, it's arguably cheaper per resolution point!

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Looking at the lens designs, the new RF85 is quite similar to the EF50. Neither are double-Gauss like the EF f/1.2's. I'm guessing the performance will likewise be phenomenal.

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degos

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Let Canon fall into the black hole. We still have Nikon that they provide excellent customer support.
Nikon, who refuse to SELL replacement parts to independent repair shops? Sure, you can go onto their website and order a new battery door. But anything internal is sewn-up in a repair cartel.
 

SwissFrank

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Dec 9, 2018
300
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At this rate there's going to be a huge gulf between Canon's EOS-M lenses and RF lenses. Which manufacturer will fill the gap?
My guess is that Canon will eventually! Their strategy is clearly to start off staking out the limits of crazy lenses, and releasing glass that will get the EF users to consider jumping ship. (28-70/2, and 15-35 + 24-70 IS, and super-sharp 50.) But the 35/1.8 is an example of how they can make smaller cheaper lenses as well.

I'm hoping for Canon to release some more small lenses (I'm hoping for 50/1.8 or 35/2 with no IS, no macro, and no longer than the camera grip) but if they want to roll out a few more game-changers first I won't complain too much.
 
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SwissFrank

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Please make a humble RF 50mm f/1.4 IS
It will be too big. The camera's low-light ability is good enough we don't need 1.4 or IS. You could shoot a 1.8 in a candlelit restaurant handheld. The priority has to be a lens that sticks out no further than the grip, so that the camera's small enough to take places.
 

domo_p1000

I'm New Here
Aug 22, 2013
9
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Wow! I work predominantly in sports, where this ought to be of little use, however, my 85 1.2 II EF quickly became my favourite lens - truly magnificent (albeit slow autofocus). The RF will contain 13 years newer technology and know-how, so ought to be at the very top of the pile where performance is concerned. As always, it's horses for courses... I have some lovely Sigma lenses, but would not swap this EF for anything else.
 
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I think you're getting value for money though. The RF 50mm f/1.2 makes you want to throw the EF 50's in the trash. 1.2, 1.4, 1.8, I shot them a lot and regret every minute in retrospect, knowing what real sharpness looks like. the RF 50's competition is the 55/1.4 Otus and 50 APO-Summicron, which are far more expensive as well as not having the aperture. The Sigma Art is excellent but not this good.

The RF50's 30lp/mm (black lines) sharpness in the center and corners is better than the EF50 1.2's at 10lp/mm (blue lines). You could call that 3x sharper linearly, or about 10x sharper in area terms.

The same is true vs. the 50mm f/1.8: wide open, despite bringing another stop, the RF is 10x sharper in the corners.

sAnd the 50/1.4 wide open was softer than the 50/1.8 wide open, so the RF is more than 10x sharper than the 1.4 despite an additional 1/3 stop.

I don't think we've ever seen such an improvement in sharpness. And since it's less than 10x more expensive, it's arguably cheaper per resolution point!

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Looking at the lens designs, the new RF85 is quite similar to the EF50. Neither are double-Gauss like the EF f/1.2's. I'm guessing the performance will likewise be phenomenal.

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No...the ef 50mm f1.2 L lens is reason I'd want to throw the Ef 50mm f1.2 L lens in the trash can...I've had three of them and they were ALL soft. It's inherent to the design...Canon simply dropped the ball on this one. It's easy for Canon to make a superior RF lens because the bar was so low with the EF version. Given the right motivation...Canon could easily have mad a mkII EF version that was nearly as good.

Looking at this new RF 85mm f1.2 L block chart...looks like a lot of great technologies going on in there...but it's still a modified Gaussian optic design...just like the old ef 85mm f1.2 II L was. I'm sure the release price will be reflecting the new RF R&D department's premium...it's a state of the art lens for sure and it'll be priced accordingly.

I also can't help wonder if the long awaited ef 135mm f2.0 IS L lens has been shelved to make way or a more lucrative and expensive RF version.
 

jeffa4444

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Park Cameras in the UK listing the lens at £ 2,799 way over my personal price point no matter how good it is. I can only imagine the DS version will be £ 2,999 thats an awful lot of money for a fixed prime unless your a high end professional or a rental company.
 
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AlP

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Looking at the lens designs, the new RF85 is quite similar to the EF50. Neither are double-Gauss like the EF f/1.2's. I'm guessing the performance will likewise be phenomenal.
Just for fun, these are the calculated MTF charts of the 4 Canon 85 mm lenses (from Canon's website) put next to each other:
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No doubt that the RF lens will be phenomenal. Note also the difference to the very good EF 85 mm f/1.4 L IS USM, and this with the RF at f/1.2 vs the EF at f/1.4.
 

SwissFrank

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No doubt that the RF lens will be phenomenal. Note also the difference to the very good EF 85 mm f/1.4 L IS USM, and this with the RF at f/1.2 vs the EF at f/1.4.
Wow, that's good!

So: the RF's 30lp/mm is superior to the old 1.2's 10lp/mm, center to corner. 3x sharper linearly or 10x sharper area-wise. Staggering. (I've owned the EF 19 years and while it has a lot of problems, sharpness was never my complaint!)

And the RF's 30lp/mm is almost as good as the 1.4's 10lp/mm, center to corner. So not quite 10x sharper. Given that the 1.4 is itself a great lens as you say, that's also staggering.

And the RF's 30lp/mm is almost as good as the 1.8's 10lp/mm, center to corner. So not quite 10x sharper. Given that the 1.8 is a full stop below the 1.2, that's also staggering.
 

SwissFrank

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Canon simply dropped the ball on (the EF 50mm f/1.2).
I dunno. Lens designs are always compromises. The EF 50/1.2 is extremely compact for what it is, and wasn't expensive. The Otus 55/1.4 shows you could certainly make super-sharp 50s for SLRs if you were willing to spend the money.
 

SwissFrank

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Looking at this new RF 85mm f1.2 L block chart...looks like a lot of great technologies going on in there...but it's still a modified Gaussian optic design
I really don't see it at all. There's a point where modified = completely different and if there are traces of double-Gauss in this, they're not more than traces.


just like the old ef 85mm f1.2 II L was
Oh, that was obviously double-Gauss. I think the II and I were the same glass by the way.
 

SwissFrank

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I also can't help wonder if the long awaited ef 135mm f2.0 IS L lens has been shelved to make way or a more lucrative and expensive RF version.
My wish is for a 135/1.4, that will produce perfectly round highlights center to corner when stopped down to 2, with apodization filter. Front element will be the size of 200/2, 400/4. And as long as I'm dreaming, the apodization filter would be a drop-in so you could use different filters for different curves and t-values.
 
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For $2799 to purchase RF 85mm f/1.2 lens. NO WAY, I will not be surprised no one wants to spend that kind of price. The RF lenses will cost double over the EF lenses. What is more, I learned from a few people shared with me that they have a problem with RF lenses. Also a problem with R camera body too. Due to rush designed and hit the market without through quality control because Nikon already advanced into the market.

Canon has a long history of behavior with replacement parts. When they stopped make camera body or lens then the replacement parts automatic as discontinued. They will not sell the parts and encourage you to buy a new one.

One of my former EF lenses stopped working. Then I contacted Canon about the lens problem. They said, "Sorry we cannot repair that lens because of it obsolete as replacement parts were no longer available." I was in shock about this incident because my lens was only six years old with history around 229 shots. Fortunately, I fixed my lens as discovered bad soldered joint behind the rear end. I reheated solder joints at the same spot. The lens is working again.

My Canon EOS 1N RS body had a problem due found a cracked plastic part. Unfortunately, nothing surprise as Canon does not have the replacement part available. The part department said the only way for me to get the replacement part through eBay. Obviously, to buy $400 non-working camera to get the part that worth about a few bucks. I took the cracked part to create a duplicate by lathe and mill machines with a metal material. Bingo, I succeed duplicated and will not crack. My old EOS 1N RS, film-based camera work again with my Sigma ART lenses.

Of course, it took my time to make new parts. I am no longer trust with Canon. My opinion as for Nikon will be lead in photography as they provide both mirror-based and non-mirror-bases camera bodies. I also thank my friend who was a former Certified Canon technician. He fixed my Canon F-1 with new parts from my lathe and mill machines. It works perfectly now.

Canon should have continued to provide everyone with well-stocked replacement parts and support vintage cameras and lenses because the film already came back into the market again. My profession based on both films and digitals photography included Hasselblad V series.

Let Canon fall into the black hole. We still have Nikon that they provide excellent customer support.
mate, you forgot to take your medication today. Your wife just called me and asked to let you know. just saying..
 
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LesC

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UK pricing: The RF 85mm f/1.2L is set to be available from June 2019 at £2799.99. A lens hood priced at £69.99 for the lens can be purchased separately! Oh well, won't be getting that any time soon...