At Least Two Big White Lenses Coming Ahead of Photokina [CR3]

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Cryve said:
why would canon release a 200-500 5.6 though? it would cannibalize their excelent 100-400 if it were cheaper than that.

Possibly, but it depends on how they do it. A plasticky, non-sealed, non-L 200-500 f/5.6 IS STM for $1500 will not cannibalize the 100-400L II, which would be a much better built instrument.

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Cryve said:
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what makes a 600 f5.6 pricey? maybe they could make it cheaper if they make it a 300-600 instead. i personaly dont really care about the short end that much.

i suspect the heavy price comes from the big front element though

It's the 600 end that costs money, not 200-300.
 
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ahsanford said:
Possibly, but it depends on how they do it. A plasticky, non-sealed, non-L 200-500 f/5.6 IS STM for $1500 will not cannibalize the 100-400L II, which would be a much better built instrument.

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i personaly would like a 200-500 from canon with the buildquality of the tamron 150-600 g2. its well build but not over the top, weather resistant and not too heavy.

I dont know if i would buy a 200-500 from canon if it is not really better than the other offerings from sigma, tamron and nikon other than native autofocus.
 
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ahsanford

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Cryve said:
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what makes a 600 f5.6 pricey? maybe they could make it cheaper if they make it a 300-600 instead. i personaly dont really care about the short end that much.

i suspect the heavy price comes from the big front element though

^^ this ^^

Two things make this expensive for Canon: internal rules (Canon standard?) stating that no EF lens will be slower than f/5.6, and FL divided by max aperture = pricey things. 600 / 5.6 = a 107mm minimum front element size.

Besides those two drivers, for Canon 107+ typically takes you out of front-filterability, meaning a pricey DI rear drop-in setup would be needed. I think they could make an exception here and go with 105mm and not quite deliver 600mm (many companies kinda sneak around like this), but it still would be quite pricey.

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ahsanford said:
Cryve said:
why would canon release a 200-500 5.6 though? it would cannibalize their excelent 100-400 if it were cheaper than that.

Possibly, but it depends on how they do it. A plasticky, non-sealed, non-L 200-500 f/5.6 IS STM for $1500 will not cannibalize the 100-400L II, which would be a much better built instrument.

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Nikon's 200-500/80-400 or Sigma/Tamron 150-600 lenses dont have close focusing capability of Canon 100-400mm or weight advantage. All things considered both these lenses can exist side by side and it will be a compromise based on users need.
 
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ahsanford said:
Cryve said:
why would canon release a 200-500 5.6 though? it would cannibalize their excelent 100-400 if it were cheaper than that.

Possibly, but it depends on how they do it. A plasticky, non-sealed, non-L 200-500 f/5.6 IS STM for $1500 will not cannibalize the 100-400L II, which would be a much better built instrument.

- A

Who says it has to be cheaper?

An "L" quality 200-500 f5.6 priced at $2,500 to $3,000 would still sell very well. Rather than compete in the overcrowded bargain market, it makes more sense for Canon to produce a stellar 500 f5.6 zoom that makes a nice companion to its other "L" zooms, the 100-400 and the 70-300.
 
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TAW said:
I'm hoping for a 400 2.8 with an integrated extender...

Have you handled a 400mm f2.8L? I mean for an actual game or a half mile hike for wildlife setup not in a store.

If they could add an anti- gravity And an anti-inertial unit, then sure add all the extenders made.
 
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ahsanford said:
Cryve said:
why would canon release a 200-500 5.6 though? it would cannibalize their excelent 100-400 if it were cheaper than that.

Possibly, but it depends on how they do it. A plasticky, non-sealed, non-L 200-500 f/5.6 IS STM for $1500 will not cannibalize the 100-400L II, which would be a much better built instrument.

- A

Who says it has to be cheaper?

An "L" quality 200-500 f5.6 priced at $2,500 to $3,000 would still sell very well. Rather than compete in the overcrowded bargain market, it makes more sense for Canon to produce a stellar 500 f5.6 zoom that makes a nice companion to its other "L" zooms, the 100-400 and the 70-300.

If it is too nice then it will hurt your 200-400 f4. which is also that FL. So I don't see that too likely.
 
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Just got to mention remember that Nikon is gearing up for their version of a DO lens in 500mm f 5.6.

Here https://petapixel.com/2018/07/14/nikon-500mm-f-5-6-spotted-its-tiny/ , and in the forum elsewhere.

That would be a great lens especially if it took 1.4 extenders like the canon 400mm DOii does.

And for those of you who think this could happen in canon land for less than 2500-3000$ I give you a big raspberry pfsssssth.

Edit adding the expected price of the Nikon is $4300.00,

So pfsssssth
 
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timmy_650 said:
unfocused said:
ahsanford said:
Cryve said:
why would canon release a 200-500 5.6 though? it would cannibalize their excelent 100-400 if it were cheaper than that.

Possibly, but it depends on how they do it. A plasticky, non-sealed, non-L 200-500 f/5.6 IS STM for $1500 will not cannibalize the 100-400L II, which would be a much better built instrument.

- A

Who says it has to be cheaper?

An "L" quality 200-500 f5.6 priced at $2,500 to $3,000 would still sell very well. Rather than compete in the overcrowded bargain market, it makes more sense for Canon to produce a stellar 500 f5.6 zoom that makes a nice companion to its other "L" zooms, the 100-400 and the 70-300.

If it is too nice then it will hurt your 200-400 f4. which is also that FL. So I don't see that too likely.

The 200-400 "L" is a very specialized lens. I suspect sales of the lens are a tiny fraction of the "affordable" 100-400 f5.6. I think Canon would happily cut into the sales of the 200-400 f4, with a lens that would likely sell at a rate of 100 to 1.
 
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ahsanford said:
a pricey DI rear drop-in setup would be needed.

I agree with everything you guys have said, but it makes me wonder - why is the drop-in filter so expensive? Is it just that they know you've spent a few grand on a big white, so it seems like not a lot in comparison? The DI filters use much less glass than a large front-mounted one, and the rest of the housing is pretty basic. Am I missing something, or is it just part of the territory at the high end?
 
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This is exciting, even though I can't really afford a big white at the moment. I'd love to see the 600 DO and maybe something like a new 200 - the latter if only to bring down resale prices a bit, I've coveted a 200mm f/2 for ages but they remain stubbornly expensive!

A 400mm f/5.6 IS would be a great addition to the lineup, but who knows?
 
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