Canon’s EOS-1D X Mark II equivalent mirrorless is coming sooner than originally thought [CR1]

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You can with Nikon, I really like the three dial layout on some of the Nikons.
You can by rotating a dial on Nikon DSLRs. You can also map dials on other DSLRs to change ISO. But as far as I know, no Nikon DSLR has a control ring on the body.
 

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As always here it devolves from useful information, Nikon has a three dial/ring control interface on some cameras, into a semantic contretemps on the difference between dial and ring.

With a Nikon D5 you can effortlessly change all three exposure controls, shutter speed/aperture/iso with your right hand (sucks if you are a leftie) Canon do not have that functionality and I have always wondered why. You don't need anything on a Nikon lens because it is easy to control all exposure controls with the right hand.
 
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As always here it devolves from useful information, Nikon has a three dial/ring control interface on some cameras, into a semantic contretemps on the difference between dial and ring.

With a Nikon D5 you can effortlessly change all three exposure controls, shutter speed/aperture/iso with your right hand (sucks if you are a leftie) Canon do not have that functionality and I have always wondered why. You don't need anything on a Nikon lens because it is easy to control all exposure controls with the right hand.
I’ve always found Nikon’s and Sony’s location of the third dial spinny control thing awkward. My thumb more naturally sits near the center of the body by the other rear dial spinny control thing. I programmed the Set button to toggle ISO control, so I can control shutter, aperture, and ISO without moving my fingers or thumb from where they want to be.

Granted this is likely in part due to how infrequently I use Nikon cameras. If I were used to it, it might not feel awkward. But I would like perhaps a control on the front of the grip down where my ring or middle fingers sit. That would be excellent; control all three parameters simultaneously without lifting my fingers.
 
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If I were used to it, it might not feel awkward.
Which is equally true of familiarity with Canon controls, of course.

Up to the D200 I was a Nikon shooter: the D200 had a similar arrangement to that of the D5, and although I liked it, I certainly don't miss it.

It was a solution looking for a problem to solve, like rather a lot of Nikon's bells and whistles...
 
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I have to say, I really like the control ring option on the "R" and I originally just picked ISO because I didn't see anything else I was interested in..

I prefer not to use the auto ISO setting on DSLRs because I don't like letting the camera pick the ISO. With the R, I can easily adjust the ISO when going from one environment to another. I was afraid I would inadvertently change the ISO or forget to change it when I moved to a different lighting situation, but so far, that hasn't been the case.

I actually think the control ring on the adapter is in a more intuitive and less confusing spot than the control ring on the 24-105 R lens.

Having grown up with film, it has taken me quite a while to think of ISO as a third option to adjust. And, honestly, until the most recent generations of sensors, I didn't like the results of most ISOs above 400.
 

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Are you referring to Canon AF generally, or the EOS R / RP? Was standing on a beach yesterday with the EOS R and an adapted 70-300L, and the R couldn’t manage to lock onto a gliding seagull or flying cormorant against a blue sky even with the AF frame tracking right on the bird through a >120° arc of sky. I know from years of experience that my 1D X would have zero problems with this. IMO, DPAF has a ways to go before I’ll rely on it for basic BIF, much less tracking swallows or birds against a complex background.
Which illustrates quite nicely, why many of us here have a selection of cameras in our signature. We will all no doubt use anything at hand on the spur of a moment, if it means we can at least try to 'get that shot'. However, if we are 'planning' for a certain type of shoot, we select the best from those tools that we have available in our kit. I love the EOS R with a grip, for close work and weddings/Christenings etc. it is also a bonus that I can stick on an EF-S lens and remove the grip to have a light travel and general tourism rig (even if there is a reduced image MP to consider for EF-S). For BIF then I would use a better weighted body (like my 1D IV) to hold the larger of my distance lenses and on this basis I would also usually make myself comfortable somewhere and sit down with a resting post or monopod in front of me to help with the weight. I find the EOS R even with a grip, somewhat too light when used with my heavier lenses, whilst I know Canon has its own map to replace the EF's with the RF's, all the same, for the mid-to-long term transitioners, it will be interesting to see how the counter balancing mass of the 1D series bodies, is accommodated in any new EOS R Pro Body. The fact that I could use any combination of my Canon gear to still attempt to obtain whatever shot, however impractical, when in a pinch (i.e. when bodies are in for service or are out on loan) is versatility that should be applauded but forgotten in this thread sometimes. BTW, I too have adapters and Extenders, none of which cause me any issue in practical use.
 
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While I truly laud Canon for getting into a pro-body mirrorless system, for me, it is too little, too late. As a working pro with a huge investment in EF L glass and 1D bodies (including the 1D XII), I added the Sony Alpha system in 2015 after finding the EF-M system only suitable for 'grabbing' images with a lighter back up (though I must admit the EF to EF-M adapter worked with the large glass quite well). I was very interested in what mirrorless could offer, but the EF-M just fell short.

Now, four years later I have four Sony alphas (a7RII, a7SII, a7RIII, and a9) and they all function better with the EF L glass using the Metabones adapter than do the M bodies. Far better, as the Sony bodies are technologically vastly superior. Last month Sony announced the 200-400mm and the 600mm super telephotos, and my pre-order is already in place. A former Canon pro shooter who sold me on the Sony with the Metabones back in 2015 whilst on a trip to Svalbard has field tested this new Sony glass and he raves about them. "As good, if not better, than my 200-400 w/1/4x and 600mm LII, with an adapter or natively on my D XI." I have the 200-400mm /1.4x and a 600mm L, so this translates for me quite nicely.

I still use my Canon bodies and glass, as there is really no equivalent—from a weatherproof point-of-view—than the X bodies. However, for Canon to expect me to invest in their R system, even an R D-type body, which came out for years too late and still does not match up with the Sony offerings...well, it's just not going to happen. I have too much sunk cost in Sony, just as I have in the Canon EF system, to move into a third pro system (which still does not have the requisite stable of long glass). I can support two pro systems, but not three.

With the Metabones adapter, I can use my Canon glass with performance almost as good as natively, and now Sony has long glass equalling the Canon glass. Not sure what an argument to drop Sony and follow the R system would look like, but I doubt it would work for me. For others, it might be just the ticket.
 
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While I truly laud Canon for getting into a pro-body mirrorless system, for me, it is too little, too late. As a working pro with a huge investment in EF L glass and 1D bodies (including the 1D XII), I added the Sony Alpha system in 2015 after finding the EF-M system only suitable for 'grabbing' images with a lighter back up (though I must admit the EF to EF-M adapter worked with the large glass quite well). I was very interested in what mirrorless could offer, but the EF-M just fell short.

Now, four years later I have four Sony alphas (a7RII, a7SII, a7RIII, and a9) and they all function better with the EF L glass using the Metabones adapter than do the M bodies. Far better, as the Sony bodies are technologically vastly superior. Last month Sony announced the 200-400mm and the 600mm super telephotos, and my pre-order is already in place. A former Canon pro shooter who sold me on the Sony with the Metabones back in 2015 whilst on a trip to Svalbard has field tested this new Sony glass and he raves about them. "As good, if not better, than my 200-400 w/1/4x and 600mm LII, with an adapter or natively on my D XI." I have the 200-400mm /1.4x and a 600mm L, so this translates for me quite nicely.

I still use my Canon bodies and glass, as there is really no equivalent—from a weatherproof point-of-view—than the X bodies. However, for Canon to expect me to invest in their R system, even an R D-type body, which came out for years too late and still does not match up with the Sony offerings...well, it's just not going to happen. I have too much sunk cost in Sony, just as I have in the Canon EF system, to move into a third pro system (which still does not have the requisite stable of long glass). I can support two pro systems, but not three.

With the Metabones adapter, I can use my Canon glass with performance almost as good as natively, and now Sony has long glass equalling the Canon glass. Not sure what an argument to drop Sony and follow the R system would look like, but I doubt it would work for me. For others, it might be just the ticket.
Ooh. Another 'I'm new here paid Sony Troll?
 
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Ooh. Another 'I'm new here paid Sony Troll?
Ooh. Another 'I'm new here paid Sony Troll?
No, you bloody idiot, I am NOT another paid Sony troll. I have been using Canon equipment since 1983...probably before you were born or while you were still on your mother's hind tit...and I still have, and use, my F1 from 1985. I have invested more money in Canon equipment over the years than you probably earned from photography in a lifetime.

I simply stated that Sony is years ahead of Canon—a marque which I truly love and will continue to use—when it comes to mirrorless, and I was an enthusiastic adopter of Canon mirrorless. I own the M1, M2, M3, M5 and M6, along with every EF-M lens Canon produced. The simple fact is that the R offering from Canon is dated, and years behind Sony. Period. They haven't caught up and are unlikely to in the next few years.

Will Canon catch Sony eventually? Sure, I bet they will. But I have too much invested in Canon EF and Sony E to wait for them.

That does not make me a paid, or unpaid, shill for Sony. It makes me a realist. Canon makes the best DSLRs in the world, IMHO. Unfortunately, this success and technology does not translate into the mirrorless world. One day it might; I hold no doubts about the technological prowess of Canon. However, they are not there yet, and I simply cannot justify jumping on the R System boat when it is naught but a canoe and Sony's alpha line is a F1 speedboat.

Who is the shill here? Methinks it is you, as "...doth Lady protest too much..."
 

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No, you bloody idiot, I am NOT another paid Sony troll. I have been using Canon equipment since 1983...probably before you were born or while you were still on your mother's hind tit...and I still have, and use, my F1 from 1985. I have invested more money in Canon equipment over the years than you probably earned from photography in a lifetime.

I simply stated that Sony is years ahead of Canon—a marque which I truly love and will continue to use—when it comes to mirrorless, and I was an enthusiastic adopter of Canon mirrorless. I own the M1, M2, M3, M5 and M6, along with every EF-M lens Canon produced. The simple fact is that the R offering from Canon is dated, and years behind Sony. Period. They haven't caught up and are unlikely to in the next few years.

Will Canon catch Sony eventually? Sure, I bet they will. But I have too much invested in Canon EF and Sony E to wait for them.

That does not make me a paid, or unpaid, shill for Sony. It makes me a realist. Canon makes the best DSLRs in the world, IMHO. Unfortunately, this success and technology does not translate into the mirrorless world. One day it might; I hold no doubts about the technological prowess of Canon. However, they are not there yet, and I simply cannot justify jumping on the R System boat when it is naught but a canoe and Sony's alpha line is a F1 speedboat.

Who is the shill here? Methinks it is you, as "...doth Lady protest too much..."
But I have used sonys with metabones adapters. They are sub par at best. Yes. They work. But not at 'near native' standards. Nowhere near. And sorry for the insult. But this forum seems to attract a lot of 'I'm new here' members that post long rants about the brilliance and functionality of Sony. You fit that bill perfectly. I am sceptical of your claims.
And don't misunderstand me. I think Sony make great specced cameras. The A9 is incredible. Still crap to hold but some awesome features. I am no shill. I am not anti Sony. Just over the rants that are very selective and very annoying. Especially when the thread is NOT ABOUT SONY!!!!
 
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But I have used sonys with metabones adapters. They are sub par at best. Yes. They work. But not at 'near native' standards. Nowhere near. And sorry for the insult. But this forum seems to attract a lot of 'I'm new here' members that post long rants about the brilliance and functionality of Sony. You fit that bill perfectly. I am sceptical of your claims.
And don't misunderstand me. I think Sony make great specced cameras. The A9 is incredible. Still crap to hold but some awesome features. I am no shill. I am not anti Sony. Just over the rants that are very selective and very annoying
I used Sony with Metabones adapters when I was using Canon and Sigma glass. I also have a large stable of Sony glass, and finally they are coming out with long glass.

Yes, the Sonys with the Metabones are not the same as a Canon with the same lines used natively, but they are damned close. Any idiot except you would get that, bit you were too eager to cast aspersions about me being a shill, without any foundation whatsoever. Foundation...that means 'facts', just in case you didn't know.

However, there is no Canon body which shoots 20fps whilst maintaining autofocus on the eye. None. Period. With the new firmware release, the a9 does this even with the Metabones and my 200-400 w/1.4x.

Where is the Rf lens for that? It does NOT exist. Where is the R body to match an a9 or...hell, even an old 1 Ds III or 1D IV? It does not exist.

These are facts. They do not require a shill to point them out as facts. They are self-evident. Check Canon's own specs to prove the point. I did not make any 'claims' for which you to be [sceptical] of. (It's actually spelled 'skeptical'. You cannot use spell-check yet you seem to have the ability to read between the lines. Interesting. There are openings at the NSA.)

If, in 2015, Canon had released a mirrorless body equal to the a7RII, I would have never, ever bought the Sony. But Canon did not produce such a body. And Canon still has not produced such a body. And for me, it is too late.

Maybe not for you, and perhaps not for may others. Others will find, or have found, the Sony system compelling. Others will move to the Canon R platform when and if they produce such a body equal to what Sony has produced since 2015.

But to label anyone who incorporated the Sony platform back in 2015 a shill is unfair, untrue, and exposes your deficiencies in applying logic and critical thinking. That translates into 'idiot.'
 
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I used Sony with Metabones adapters when I was using Canon and Sigma glass. I also have a large stable of Sony glass, and finally they are coming out with long glass.

Yes, the Sonys with the Metabones are not the same as a Canon with the same lines used natively, but they are damned close. Any idiot except you would get that, bit you were too eager to cast aspersions about me being a shill, without any foundation whatsoever. Foundation...that means 'facts', just in case you didn't know.

However, there is no Canon body which shoots 20fps whilst maintaining autofocus on the eye. None. Period. With the new firmware release, the a9 does this even with the Metabones and my 200-400 w/1.4x.

Where is the Rf lens for that? It does NOT exist. Where is the R body to match an a9 or...hell, even an old 1 Ds III or 1D IV? It does not exist.

These are facts. They do not require a shill to point them out as facts. They are self-evident. Check Canon's own specs to prove the point. I did not make any 'claims' for which you to be [sceptical] of. (It's actually spelled 'skeptical'. You cannot use spell-check yet you seem to have the ability to read between the lines. Interesting. There are openings at the NSA.)

If, in 2015, Canon had released a mirrorless body equal to the a7RII, I would have never, ever bought the Sony. But Canon did not produce such a body. And Canon still has not produced such a body. And for me, it is too late.

Maybe not for you, and perhaps not for may others. Others will find, or have found, the Sony system compelling. Others will move to the Canon R platform when and if they produce such a body equal to what Sony has produced since 2015.

But to label anyone who incorporated the Sony platform back in 2015 a shill is unfair, untrue, and exposes your deficiencies in applying logic and critical thinking. That translates into 'idiot.'
The 'fact' is that you come onto a thread about the future canon 1dx3 and have a rant about how and why you went to Sony. NO ONE CARES!!! Heres a thought. Start your own thread in the 'third party' section and post about your move as much as you want. That way the rest of us won't have to constantly trawl through a thread to fine relevant information instead of stuff we don't care about. Your move is not interesting. And no. The metabones adapters i have used on sonys for canon lenses are not nearly as good as native. Not in my books.
 
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Man, it’s a real mood killer to find all this d@mn Sony cr@p in EVERY thread here these days... and I’m also in the crowd that seriously don’t care... I’ve used Sony’s like most other brands and different models. Would I really be following CR if I would like Sony better than Canon?

This has always been the nicest forum I’ve used, nearly always very polite members, even when we don’t agree, no name calling etc. Always learning and enjoying. So to those who can’t join in like that; get lost...
 

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The 'fact' is that you come onto a thread about the future canon 1dx3 and have a rant about how and why you went to Sony. NO ONE CARES!!! Heres a thought. Start your own thread in the 'third party' section and post about your move as much as you want. That way the rest of us won't have to constantly trawl through a thread to fine relevant information instead of stuff we don't care about. Your move is not interesting. And no. The metabones adapters i have used on sonys for canon lenses are not nearly as good as native. Not in my books.
I always believed they taught people how to read in Australia. This thread is NOT about a future 1dx3, but about "Canon’s EOS-1D X Mark II equivalent mirrorless is coming sooner than originally thought" which would be, I expect, an R body.

My post was simply to state an opinion for my situation that this offering, if and when it comes to see the light of day, would be too little and too late as I have too much sunk costs in Canon and Sony.

If you don't like my posts, please feel free to not read them. I do not recall sending you a PM to read my posts. It would behoove all of us if you would simply ignore what you don't like, refrain from accusations and verbal abuse, and just shut up.
 
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If you don't like my posts, please feel free to not read them. I do not recall sending you a PM to read my posts. It would behoove all of us if you would simply ignore what you don't like, refrain from accusations and verbal abuse, and just shut the f^&k up.
 

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Ooh. Another 'I'm new here paid Sony Troll?
This didn’t sound like a troll post to me. Just a polite description as to why he switched to Sony. The troll posts are the ones that tell us we’re stupid for sticking with canon, or that canon is doomed.

Shame the conversation devolved.

Best trick? If you think someone is a troll, don’t feed them. Then the conversation remains polite for everyone else.
 

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I always believed they taught people how to read in Australia. This thread is NOT about a future 1dx3, but about "Canon’s EOS-1D X Mark II equivalent mirrorless is coming sooner than originally thought" which would be, I expect, an R body.

My post was simply to state an opinion for my situation that this offering, if and when it comes to see the light of day, would be too little and too late as I have too much sunk costs in Canon and Sony.

If you don't like my posts, please feel free to not read them. I do not recall sending you a PM to read my posts. It would behoove all of us if you would simply ignore what you don't like, refrain from accusations and verbal abuse, and just shut up.
The problem is not that we have to read posts unrelated to the topic. And believe me your entering into the Sony system is completely unrelated to the topic. The problem is that people who are interested in the actual topic have to trawl through all the BS 'Why I switched to sony' posts. Your opinion as to why you went to sony is no about a future 1dx3 equivalent. It is about your desire to be noticed. Your switch is not interesting. It is not relevant. And we don't care. If you want a pat on the back for doing so or for others to hold you in awe then start a specific thread in the relevant parts of the forum or go to the Sony forums where you will encounter plenty of people just like yourself. If you post here stick to the topic.