Canon announces development of the EOS R5 full-frame mirrorless camera

[Quarkcharmed]

Amazing the level of responses on this compared the relatively muted response to the 1DX III.

That's easy to explain. There's many more potential R5 users than 1DXIII users on this forum. Also, 8K video!!!

 

[sulla]

Amazing the level of responses on this compared the relatively muted response to the 1DX III.

Perhaps the 1DX3 is targeted at professionals who don't spend that much time on fora like this...
And people, myself included, who spend time on fora like this to talk about things and who have real interest in photography are limited - for finanical reasons mainly - to EOS 5-style cameras...
And people interested in rebel-style cameras are not enough interested in photography to participate in fora like this...
In all, this might be why there is the most talk about semi-professional cameras here...

 

[Stanri010]

Amazing the level of responses on this compared the relatively muted response to the 1DX III.
I'm delighted Canon is bringing out such a camera but where are they going from here.
I'm sure it will be very expensive but why will you ever need to buy another one?
12/20 FPS and 48 MP, 8K and IBIS. Probably decent ISO performance. Eye tracking (The R is pretty decent already at tracking).
Canon camera business could be doomed from the perspective they have developed the ultimate mirrored and mirrorless camera in quick succession. What would make a user upgrade from here? The glass is already near perfection. (Canon INC overall I'm sure will do perfectly fine)
I think both are an amazing achievement and a credit to Canon but some part of me feels sad in that I love new technology but its at the point of maturing and there will only be little incremental improvements from here on.

I've lived through a period of amazing technological change, and I've loved it. The invention of the mobile phone, personal computers / laptops, flat screen televisions, electric cars, the internet , google (that you could search the world and get answers back) , wikipedia (unbelievable the knowledge it contains for free).

It all just seems to be slowing down. It's all improvements now but nothing breakthrough. I'll miss it.
What was the last major invention of something we didn't have? The iPhone is the last game changer I can think of and while its got better the latest iPhone is remarkably similar to the original.
Personally I miss all that improvement and daring to believe it could be made better.
I just can't think anymore how Canon can improve the camera (or at least an improvement that I'd find great).
If they brought out next year a 200MP full frame camera at 24FPS I'm not sure it would move me.

I'll be interested in the hype cycle for R5. I'm on a very high peak of inflated expectations. I'm personally expecting near perfection. That probably won't last.

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I think unless Canon really messes this up by imposing artificial limitations, the technology is finally available for them to achieve most of the claims that they're saying.

The processor should be able to do 8K Raw, very little 8K crop, 10Bit H265, 8Bit 264, 4K60 with no crop etc.

 

[Kit Lens Jockey]

Canon camera business could be doomed from the perspective they have developed the ultimate mirrored and mirrorless camera in quick succession.

You heard it here first folks... Their cameras are too good, Canon is doomed!

 

[joestopper]

Sounds amazing from the little that was disclosed and based on the original rumour. I dread to think what the price will be and how that will destroy the trade in price of the EOS R.

Contrary to most previous posts, I love the EOS R with the exception of the low FPS rate which the R5 should resolve with a mind blowing rate.

I need to sell something & save up quickly!

Trade price of the R: That will fall deep. Future bodies will have IBIS and one without will not be competitive. However, the R is a great camera that can be kept as backup body.

 

[joestopper]

The R5 unlike the R doesn't have a shutter anymore that closes
when you take off the lens, as it seems from pics with the exposed
sensor visible.

Wrong conclusion: Like the in the R you can keep the sensor exposed when switching the camera off before switching lens.

 

[Quackator]

Canon goes head on with most of the other brands higher priced cameras.
The A7R4 currently sells for ~4000 Euro in Germany, and this
price will give until the R5 is finally shipping. Canon for sure will
undercut this, so it is only a question of how deep the A7R4 falls
until Canon determines their price.

 

[Viggo]

Wrong conclusion: Like the in the R you can keep the sensor exposed when switching the camera off before switching lens.

Plus, the R5 does have a mechanical shutter.

 

[Ozarker]

Perhaps the 1DX3 is targeted at professionals who don't spend that much time on fora like this...
And people, myself included, who spend time on fora like this to talk about things and who have real interest in photography are limited - for finanical reasons mainly - to EOS 5-style cameras...
And people interested in rebel-style cameras are not enough interested in photography to participate in fora like this...
In all, this might be why there is the most talk about semi-professional cameras here...

I come here because it is far less depressing than the world news. There is actually, comparatively, good news here. I get to see beautiful work by members, get great advice, and some humor too.

 

[mpb001]

The R5 specs look spectacular, however, I don’t shoot any video. I own a 5DIV, which serves my photography needs completely. I think for a Canon mirrorless R series body, the R6 may be a more interesting camera for my use, especially if it’s new sensor has great low light capabilities.

 

[Max TT]

Sounds amazing from the little that was disclosed and based on the original rumour. I dread to think what the price will be and how that will destroy the trade in price of the EOS R.

Contrary to most previous posts, I love the EOS R with the exception of the low FPS rate which the R5 should resolve with a mind blowing rate.

I need to sell something & save up quickly!

The current EOS R was dead on arrival!

It simply does not compare to the others in its price range. Like the A7III. The Sony came with IBIS, dual slots, uncropped 4k and extensive lense range.

But it’s all relative, if the EOS R were $1300-$1400, then I’d say it’s priced correctly. To compete with higher end APS-C like the X-T3.

The people that bought it at +$2000 I weep for them. They were definitely drinking the Canon koolaid.

Hopefully with the EOS R6 we see them compete in that $2000 range better. And EOS R drops down in the $1400 range with the RP in the $1000 range.

 

[Viggo]

For those of us that couldn’t care less about video, I can’t wait to see more about the AF system. Will it, like the 1dx, track a face of someone face planting or will it give up and stop, and perhaps hunt one time like the R.

 

[Kit Lens Jockey]

The R5 unlike the R doesn't have a shutter anymore that closes
when you take off the lens, as it seems from pics with the exposed
sensor visible.

I'm assuming you're assuming this just based on the press photos showing the sensor exposed on the R5. But the fact that the sensor is exposed in Canon's press photos means nothing. Even the photo of the EOS R on Canon's page shows the sensor exposed. I suspect it's because they feel that it looks more impressive in photos to have the sensor exposed as opposed to showing the shutter. But it means nothing as far as whether or not the shutter will close when you turn off the camera.

EOS-R | Canon Online Store|Canon Online Store

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[Stanri010]

The R5 unlike the R doesn't have a shutter anymore that closes
when you take off the lens, as it seems from pics with the exposed
sensor visible.

They changed the way the shutter functions after the release of the R. For the R, the shutter comes down when the camera is turned off. On the RP, the shutter stays up to prevent damage to the shutter. That's why you can see the sensor directly in the RP and R5.

 

[ahsanford]

Even if they feel they can convert 80% of full frame DSLR users to mirrorless, I doubt they want to lose that remaining 20%. Everyone says "Canon is going to force us to..." But, last I checked, they don't have a gun to my head.

Excellent post -- I appreciate your perspective.

Pivot to CR Guy's own words:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1223721066041892864

...and recognize there has to be (at a brand/segment level) some sort a tipping point to leave mirrors, Canon will know when it is, and Canon will have a plan to get to the future state.

A purge of mirrored product lines is coming. I see the crop SLR lines and less unit-moving FF SLRs going early and the bread and butter pro stuff with high L lens pullthrough going late. 'Early' is already happening (remember the 760D/77D line? will we ever see a 7D3?). But when 'late' is happening -- when they start killing off the characters I really like on this show -- is a big TBD.

- A

 

[koenkooi]

They changed the way the shutter functions after the release of the R. For the R, the shutter comes down when the camera is turned off. On the RP, the shutter stays up to prevent damage to the shutter. That's why you can see the sensor directly in the RP and R5.

The RP also lacks a mechanical first curtain, which I think is the real reason instead of the "RP users are dumber than R users, they will poke their fat fingers through the curtain" reason Canon gave.

 

[Sharlin]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1223721066041892864

Totally off topic, but you… look very different from what my mental image has been.

 

[ahsanford]

I don't know if this was covered here already, but any idea what this (see orange marking) might be?

Maybe some part of a cooling system?

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Presumably the remote control terminal. They're on the front now for many bodies, I presume for peaceful L-bracket coexistence:

Frequent CR poster Dustin Abbott has a glamour shot of the 5D4's version:

https://dustinabbott.net/wp-content/gallery/canon-5d-mark-iv-product/Canon-5D4-Product-9.jpg

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Totally off topic, but you… look very different from what my mental image has been.

That snap of me on Twitter is a stock photo. I actually look like the Simpson's comic book store guy just like you thought.

- A

 

[Sharlin]

They're on the front now for many bodies, I presume for peaceful L-bracket coexistence:

Also, on the R5, for peaceful tilty-flippy coexistence.