Don Haines said:Yes, but most amateurs will just want more green box modes
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But do they really need a DSLR or mirrorless if they don't want to take the advantages of it? Except the IQ maybe?
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Don Haines said:Yes, but most amateurs will just want more green box modes
drjlo said:Small correction. RX1R=A7 internals (24 MP) not A7R (36 MP).
RGF said:Interesting that ask Pros. After all they will buy a few hundred copies. While amateurs will drive the volume w/ 10,000s. I guess numbers don't matter too much.
dak723 said:People seem to forget that the 35mm camera pretty much killed medium format in it's day because it gave the photographer so many more advantages. Today, with DSLRs available with high MP counts and medium format shrinking towards 35mm size, there is virtually no reason left to go medium format, in my opinion. Sure there will always be an extreme fringe element that wants more than the typical pro who is using a DSLR. Let other companies cater to the fringe.
SkynetTX said:+1RGF said:Interesting that ask Pros. After all they will buy a few hundred copies. While amateurs will drive the volume w/ 10,000s. I guess numbers don't matter too much.
I love shooting beetles so I need a crop DSLR with a sensor that is able to decrease the diffraction effect at f/16 or smaller and has better noise performance than the currently existing ones. See my specifications of the 9000D.
On the other hand Pros can ask for features that amateurs will find useful as well.
Having shot in formats ranging from 8X10 to the Kodak Disk camera, 35mm was a good balance between size and quality..... that’s probably why it was so popular.ahsanford said:dak723 said:People seem to forget that the 35mm camera pretty much killed medium format in it's day because it gave the photographer so many more advantages. Today, with DSLRs available with high MP counts and medium format shrinking towards 35mm size, there is virtually no reason left to go medium format, in my opinion. Sure there will always be an extreme fringe element that wants more than the typical pro who is using a DSLR. Let other companies cater to the fringe.
That's the tenor of my rant (the current state of things, not the backstory).
MF can be successful, but I think it needs to fundamentally be better than just 'but it has leaf shutter lenses' or 'you need to have to shot this with film to see why it's so exciting for digital'. All of those chats feel like a Leica rangefinder conversation that is more spiritual / philosophical than analytical.
In the end, the sensor (and the ability to get the most out of it) has to be worth the trouble of leaving the FF space for it. 50 MP + 1 stop more DR + the quick sync a leaf shutter brings isn't enough to walk away from so so so much that the FF ecosystem offers, IMHO.
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slclick said:RGF said:Interesting that ask Pros. After all they will buy a few hundred copies. While amateurs will drive the volume w/ 10,000s. I guess numbers don't matter too much.
yes, asking experts...crazy notion.
JP said:The pros they are probably talking to are saying:
1. We want a relatively slow frame rate.
2. A max burst time of 1.3 seconds before the buffer is full, and a waiting time of 4-5 seconds before we can take the next photo.
3. A 1/200ths top sync speed for studio flashes. 1/250ths is never needed, nor desired.
4. No PC socket needed... that's for old school photographers. Replace that with a Direct Print button.
5. An AF coverage of the middle of the frame only.
6. A loooooong shutter lag time..
7. A 50+ MP sensor to ensure quality images.
8. Top iso of 200,000,000...
9. Low iso of 100
10. able to fit into the same pocket we use for our cell phones.
RGF said:Interesting that ask Pros. After all they will buy a few hundred copies. While amateurs will drive the volume w/ 10,000s. I guess numbers don't matter too much.
ahsanford said:Nik said:- No dropping to 12 bit in continuous
- No lossy compression in high speed
In fairness to Sony, they have been listening to folks who get butt hurt on fine print preventing them from getting full max burst speed with uncompressed RAW. You can now opt out of mandatory compression nonsense in the menus.
Reporting testing from Imaging Resource below:
A99-II: Max advertised = 12 fps JPEG or compressed RAW, and they tell you right in the manual it will slow down with uncompressed RAW. But when tested with uncompressed RAW, it still delivered 11.1 fps.
A7R3: Max advertised = 10 fps for JPEG or compressed RAW, and they tell you right in the manual it will slow down with uncompressed RAW. But when tested with uncompressed RAW, it still delivered 9.2 fps.
A9 is a soup of conditions because of that mechanical / electronic shutter setup. Max advertised = 20 fps JPEG or compressed RAW (elec) / 12 fps uncompressed RAW (elec) / 5 fps (mech) for all files, and that's exactly how it tests.
So only in one instance above is fps seriously hit for wanting uncompressed RAW output. Sony is improving on this front, and let's tip our cap here -- 42 x 11.1 uncompressed RAW is an impressive accomplishment. When we talk about this latest round of supercameras (D850 / A9 / A99-II / A7R3), they move a ton of data.
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ahsanford said:highdesertmesa said:Because the price point of the rumored rangefinder (and less expensive) version of the GFX 50S body may begin to encroach on the 5DsR (and future 5Ds Mk II) price point. Also once the 100S version is released in 2019, the 50S price will drop substantially. And the GF lenses are not any more expensive than Canon's best L lenses, yet they can resolve up to 100 MP.snoke said:Why GFX50? Cant understand it. Color? Noise? Controls?
I went on a mini rant about medium format's appeal to FF users recently: post 1 / post 2
In my mind, it's a very hard sell to FF users. Many more takeaways than advantages, and the hotness the bigger sensor brings isn't that much hotter than what FF can deliver today.
I'm not saying that there is not benefit to MF -- leaf shutters and bigger sensors are not bad things at all. But I feel one is walking away from so much more than they are walking towards in a FF --> MF conversation.
But a total agreement / +1 on the 100 MP arriving to change things there. That's a clear selling point that FF will not have for some time.
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dak723 said:People seem to forget that the 35mm camera pretty much killed medium format in it's day because it gave the photographer so many more advantages. Today, with DSLRs available with high MP counts and medium format shrinking towards 35mm size, there is virtually no reason left to go medium format, in my opinion. Sure there will always be an extreme fringe element that wants more than the typical pro who is using a DSLR. Let other companies cater to the fringe.
tmroper said:dak723 said:People seem to forget that the 35mm camera pretty much killed medium format in it's day because it gave the photographer so many more advantages. Today, with DSLRs available with high MP counts and medium format shrinking towards 35mm size, there is virtually no reason left to go medium format, in my opinion. Sure there will always be an extreme fringe element that wants more than the typical pro who is using a DSLR. Let other companies cater to the fringe.
I don't think that's true at all. MF started off and stayed mostly a professional and commercial format. Meanwhile, 35mm came along first as a more consumer format, and then became something professionals adopted because it suited their needs better (conflict photography, photojournalism, etc). But in professional studios, and on produced location commercial shoots, MF film stayed very prevalent until digital took over. The Mamiya RZ67 was probably the most ubiquitous, and that's why there are so many of those available to buy used today.
Aaron D said:Does Canon often make stupidly impossible cameras to hold?