Canon C500 Mark II at NAB [CR2]

[Canon Rumors Guy]

We’re told Canon will let us know something at NAB 2016 in Las Vegas about the Cinema EOS C500 Mark II, though there may not be an official announcement.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/whats-next-for-cinema-eos/">We reported back in 2014</a> that Canon was gearing up to develop an “A” camera to compete with current market leader ARRI, and that the C500 replacement would like fill that spot.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/eos-c500-mark-ii-going-higher-than-4k-cr1/">We first reported back in April of 2015</a> that Canon was going to go above 4K in the Cinema EOS C500 replacement, and that such camera would be announced in mid 2016. Canon themselves confirmed this by letting the world know at Canon EXPO in September that they were <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-developing-8k-cinema-eos-camera-120mp-dslr-8k-display/">working on an 8K Cinema EOS camera.</a></p>
<p>We expect to hear a lot more about the Cinema EOS lineup in the coming weeks.</p>
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[saveyourmoment]

we are not even at 4k around the globe, and there comes the 8k... but ok, shooting 8k is great for cropping, slides etc in post to get a 4k video...

 

[plam_1980]

But what kind of cards will be necessary for 8K, and also storage space? Upgraded computers to handle it? It will be strictly for professional productions, I believe.
Or by the time it is more accessible to the masses, will 16K be on the horizon? Not that you will see any difference in it, but just to be able to crop 8K video from it ;D

 

[Local Hero]

Sony F65 is 8K.
Has been out since January 2012.

 

[privatebydesign]

Sony F65 is 8K.
Has been out since January 2012.

No it isn't, it is a 20mp sensor, 8k is 33mp. It is an entirely interpolated headline lie.

 

[Bernard]

It will be strictly for professional productions, I believe.

Given that the C300-2 is already over $10,000, a new C500 will definitely be strictly for high-end work.

This type of camera isn't really made for owner-operators. They will be sold to rental houses.

 

[ritholtz]

Sony F65 is 8K.
Has been out since January 2012.

No it isn't, it is a 20mp sensor, 8k is 33mp. It is an entirely interpolated headline lie.

Another Sony spec sheet hero.

 

[Etienne]

It will be strictly for professional productions, I believe.

Given that the C300-2 is already over $10,000, a new C500 will definitely be strictly for high-end work.

This type of camera isn't really made for owner-operators. They will be sold to rental houses.

Even rental will be quite expensive.
I'd like a really good C100 mk III ... soon! Something that would compete favorably against the Sony FS5 and designed for the one-man-band. Hint: full DPAF with touchscreen, and that works with all Canon lenses not just STM, for starters.

 

[Dantana]

It will be strictly for professional productions, I believe.

Given that the C300-2 is already over $10,000, a new C500 will definitely be strictly for high-end work.

This type of camera isn't really made for owner-operators. They will be sold to rental houses.

Exactly. It's made to compete with ARRI, as it says in the posting. Exciting to see Canon pushing into this space.

 

[gsealy]

But what kind of cards will be necessary for 8K, and also storage space? Upgraded computers to handle it? It will be strictly for professional productions, I believe.
Or by the time it is more accessible to the masses, will 16K be on the horizon? Not that you will see any difference in it, but just to be able to crop 8K video from it ;D

Users will need to go to external recording. We can figure that the storage space required will be 4 times the current values for 4K, so internal recording will require a whole bucket full of CFast cards. BUT in addition, the current C500 can record raw (and so too the C500 II, I would guess), which means enormous gobbling up of storage space. THEN there is all the post processing required, so that infrastructure will need to be robust too.

 

[expatinasia]

This is great news for all of us, as what Canon learns from this little monster will eventually make its way into cameras that we all use.

 

[rrcphoto]

But what kind of cards will be necessary for 8K, and also storage space? Upgraded computers to handle it? It will be strictly for professional productions, I believe.
Or by the time it is more accessible to the masses, will 16K be on the horizon? Not that you will see any difference in it, but just to be able to crop 8K video from it ;D

Users will need to go to external recording. We can figure that the storage space required will be 4 times the current values for 4K, so internal recording will require a whole bucket full of CFast cards. BUT in addition, the current C500 can record raw (and so too the C500 II, I would guess), which means enormous gobbling up of storage space. THEN there is all the post processing required, so that infrastructure will need to be robust too.

or it could be SATA drives and simply do away with card form factors.

 

[JoseB]

Just for remembering, about recording 8K:

http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/10/13/canon-expo-2015-8k-cinema-eos-technology-demo-camera-recording-to-four-external-recorders/

 

[jeffa4444]

Sony F65 is 8K.
Has been out since January 2012.

No it isn't, it is a 20mp sensor, 8k is 33mp. It is an entirely interpolated headline lie.

As reports by David Mullen ASC a respected cinematographer:-
Because the Sony sensor is rotated 45 degrees there are actually 8K green photosites horizontally but overall 6K worth of total photosites... So Sony can definitely call this a "true" 4K image, otherwise they refer to the recorded file as 16-bit RAW, not "8K".

The Arri Alexa is less than 4K (it differs depending on what version you have). However 2K, 4K, 8K are very misleading terms and compression should definately be a key metric as should be colorimagery. Canon 4K to date is low rent in cinematography terms hence why the Alexa and Red Dragons still rule the roost. Over & above that as Ive stated many times the limiting factor of Canon 8K camera is super 35 that is why the Sony F65 never really challenged the Alexa with its open gate or the Red Epic/ Dragon which are closer to 24x36mm & a 42mm diagonal (Vistavision).
8K for cinema is unviewable average multiplex screens have a 56ft screen to see 8K you would need to sit between the front row & the screen even over-sampling to 4K means the first 3-4 rows are the only place you actually get the benefit of 4K at the cost of panning & scanning the screen because your so close. In a nutshell its sales talk to get us to purchase new equipment that in reality is impractical in use.

 

[Etienne]

Sony F65 is 8K.
Has been out since January 2012.

No it isn't, it is a 20mp sensor, 8k is 33mp. It is an entirely interpolated headline lie.

As reports by David Mullen ASC a respected cinematographer:-
Because the Sony sensor is rotated 45 degrees there are actually 8K green photosites horizontally but overall 6K worth of total photosites... So Sony can definitely call this a "true" 4K image, otherwise they refer to the recorded file as 16-bit RAW, not "8K".

The Arri Alexa is less than 4K (it differs depending on what version you have). However 2K, 4K, 8K are very misleading terms and compression should definately be a key metric as should be colorimagery. Canon 4K to date is low rent in cinematography terms hence why the Alexa and Red Dragons still rule the roost. Over & above that as Ive stated many times the limiting factor of Canon 8K camera is super 35 that is why the Sony F65 never really challenged the Alexa with its open gate or the Red Epic/ Dragon which are closer to 24x36mm & a 42mm diagonal (Vistavision).
8K for cinema is unviewable average multiplex screens have a 56ft screen to see 8K you would need to sit between the front row & the screen even over-sampling to 4K means the first 3-4 rows are the only place you actually get the benefit of 4K at the cost of panning & scanning the screen because your so close. In a nutshell its sales talk to get us to purchase new equipment that in reality is impractical in use.

Higher resolution video is not just about delivery at high resolution.
When delivering at 1080p, the 4K / 8K allows you to:
Have two camera views by splitting the image
Simulated slider action
Cropping to get a better composition
Downsampling to improve the delivered product
All that and more with one camera.

 

[douglasgritzphoto]

These advantages you list Etienne are concerning. If you need 8k to record for a better composition, perhaps a more skilled shooter in the first place would help. With simulated slider action you lose the spatial movement between foreground and background. This all seems to suggest leading us farther down the road that 4k has already been leading us, which is removing even more decisions from the field and putting them into post-production.