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You're not downsampling anything. You're just stiching and printning (or viewing) at the size you prefer. Nothing different from what you would do with any other camera - no matter what pixel count.rrcphoto said:Maiaibing said:jolyonralph said:I'd love a 120mpx camera, but I don't think there's enough demand for it, because it will be a pain to work with such huge files, it'll be slow and you'll have to downsample almost everything to make it worthwhile.
You are confused. There is no need to "downsample" anything - ever. "Downsampling" is not something any photographer "does" with his/her pictures and has nothing to do with how you view your results on screen or in print - its only - and exclusively - used as a technical path to compare different sensors, but has no meaning when viewing your resulting final images.
sure they do. I take 600mp stitched images all the time and downsample them for additional clarity and sharpness.
My sigma merrills are marvelous for doing this.
mmeerdam said:rrcphoto said:mmeerdam said:rrcphoto said:mmeerdam said:rrcphoto said:mmeerdam said:technically it would be a 120 MP body. Dual pixels though.
canon's never measured or discussed a sensor that way, and the raws from the camera where over 210MB.
It's factual measuring how many independent photosites (is that the right word?) there are. Canon just choose to implement a circuit that combines the output per 2 (or have them separate as a dual pixel raw file).
right and is the 5d mark iv called a 60mp camera?
it's not. But there is 60mp worth of individual pixel data in a 5d4 dual pixel raw file. That data to come from somewhere doesn't it ;-). I invite you to manually count it if you don't believe me .
so canon isn't calling the 5D Mark IV that, but they are going to change their entire convention with the 5DsR.
Right.
Are you actually that stupid or just acting dumb? I'm not saying they will call it that. I'm just arguing 60 is very plausible as we know they are able to make sensors with 120 million pixels in some form on it. Which is exacly 2 times 60 million dual pixels. I'm not replying to this anymore. We all know what's been out there by Canon for the last year. Nobody needs you to remind us what Canon calls stuff or doesn't call stuff. Let's see you return with some logical constructive insight instead of mindless nay saying.
cgc said:I hope the AA filter version is still available on 5DS mark II.
Take a look at the balconys on this image at F4 (at the platform at the far left, or in the buildings):
https://3.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TS8256x6192~sample_galleries/7707853581/3016826142.jpg
Not a 5DSR, but the last shocking example caused by the lack of AA filter I bookmarked. In a totally normal picture (not a textile subject). Any human made structure is prone to moire.
The AA filter does not reduces the detail: only requires the proper sharpening tecnique (e.g. deconvolution) to restore 99% of the image information. But its lack hugely increases the chances of causing a non recoverable damage.
The AA-less hype is pure silly marketing Canon engineers has resisted up to date. Most buyers have no scientific base, and some even are photo-illiterates spreading just nonsense (in this thread there is even people suggesting a 5D4 AA-less with less pixels!).
We hope Canon continue giving us the choice and running by technical rationale.
jolyonralph said:In addition, I've shot tens of thousands of images on my 5DSR, landscape, portrait, macro, etc, etc. And I can't say I have found a single image that has been ruined by moire. Maybe I'm just lucky.
privatebydesign said:I like the sound of the modest mp bump.
BUT, if it has on chip ADC type base IQ improvements I'll get one whatever else is or isn't on the spec sheet, if it doesn't I won't.
These 1DS model range replacements really are about one thing and everything else is iceing and cherries. Don't care about fps though more than 2 will beat out most medium format, don't want a $916 additional 2 fps option either. Don't care one iota for 4k or video in general from this model. GPS has become a nice additional way of sorting images so like that. I'd prefer an Ethernet port over headphone and mic ports, tethering is way more important than video for this particular model. If it has to have two card slots make them the same type and spec goddamit! Fully functional touch screen, Canon are the best at touch screens so run with it. BUT, Canon, give us the base IQ you have shown you can.......
Maiaibing said:You're not downsampling anything. You're just stiching and printning (or viewing) at the size you prefer. Nothing different from what you would do with any other camera - no matter what pixel count.rrcphoto said:Maiaibing said:jolyonralph said:I'd love a 120mpx camera, but I don't think there's enough demand for it, because it will be a pain to work with such huge files, it'll be slow and you'll have to downsample almost everything to make it worthwhile.
You are confused. There is no need to "downsample" anything - ever. "Downsampling" is not something any photographer "does" with his/her pictures and has nothing to do with how you view your results on screen or in print - its only - and exclusively - used as a technical path to compare different sensors, but has no meaning when viewing your resulting final images.
sure they do. I take 600mp stitched images all the time and downsample them for additional clarity and sharpness.
My sigma merrills are marvelous for doing this.
That's a really dumb thing to say, as if bodies and lenses aren't worked on for years before public release.Canon Rumors said:Anything this far out is generally considered unlikely to come to fruition,
aceflibble said:That's a really dumb thing to say, as if bodies and lenses aren't worked on for years before public release.Canon Rumors said:Anything this far out is generally considered unlikely to come to fruition,
midluk said:I hope the "Identical body to the EOS 5D Mark IV" part is not true. As a high resolution camera that is often used in live view on a tripod, an up-down tilting screen would be really useful.
aceflibble said:That's a really dumb thing to say, as if bodies and lenses aren't worked on for years before public release.Canon Rumors said:Anything this far out is generally considered unlikely to come to fruition,
Realistically, once a body or lens has hit a prototype stage, the manufacturer is confident in the spec. Elements may change to small degrees—a button moved a millimetre to the left, USB 2 swapped for USB 3, menu items moved to a different order, etc—but nothing drastic. All the core functionality is in place before money is invested into making test cameras, and the major spec is only changed if there has been a significant fault with the design. (Which is increasingly rare, this far into the digital life cycle.)
Remember, the 24-105 mk II was prototyped and in the hands of select pros more than 18 months before the public announcement and the shape of the IS and AF switches is the only thing which got changed. Fuji got their medium format system out in the field more than a year ahead of public announcement and literally nothing changed in that time. Nearly all of Sigma's lenses spend more than a year in the wild before public announcement and there's no record of a single one changing in that time.
If there is a 5DS mk II coming for the end of next year then yes, it absolutely stands to reason that there are already prototypes around, and following that, history tells us that whatever those prototypes are currently running is 90% what the final SKU will be.
A year, year and a half; these time frames are not "far out". More like two thirds of the way to launch; certainly over halfway.
keithcooper said:rrcphoto said:...
and you're wrong on the lenses, you're into the world of oversampling. every lens will improve even the worst.
+1 that.
A lot of earnest uniformed nonsense about lenses not being good enough was spouted when I first got a 1Ds3, and similarly with the 5Ds
Experience suggests that 120MP will give bigger and better files from all my lenses (it is bayer as well BTW)
'Just' 60MP might remind me why I previously updated every other model release.
Canon Rumors said:Update 09/04/2017 @ 16:56 EST: Keep in mind that Canon uses APS-H sensors in some test bodies and this can affect pixel count.
traveller said:Canon Rumors said:Update 09/04/2017 @ 16:56 EST: Keep in mind that Canon uses APS-H sensors in some test bodies and this can affect pixel count.
If they're still at the APS-H test sensor stage, I doubt we'll see a 5DSII next year! Or are you implying that your source may have got their facts muddled?
rrcphoto said:and like I said, canon's already been actively demo'ing the 120MP DSLR for the past two years and have actually stated "it's coming.. " it's actually in development now since sept 2016, as a 120MP DSLR. Again, that's not even a rumor, it's already been stated by canon. So what there's going to be two more different high resolution 5D's coming out? that seems unlikely.
and you're wrong on the lenses, you're into the world of oversampling. every lens will improve even the worst.
unfocused said:traveller said:Canon Rumors said:Update 09/04/2017 @ 16:56 EST: Keep in mind that Canon uses APS-H sensors in some test bodies and this can affect pixel count.
If they're still at the APS-H test sensor stage, I doubt we'll see a 5DSII next year! Or are you implying that your source may have got their facts muddled?
This makes no sense. The only difference between the 5D and 5Ds is the sensor. There is nothing else to test.