Canon EOS 60D Pictures?

[unruled]

How can it be that they suddenly make plastic sh... on an eos xx ????? :'(

Yeah, if the picture is accurate, then this really sucks to be honest. I'm one of the many that went from a 350d to a 40d, and one of the reasons was bigger/better build. What this '60d' appears to be is a regression to a 550d in a slightly bigger form factor. Well, screw that.

I then agree with @that1guy, in that the 7d is then the unofficial real successor to the xxD series.

Don't know why/how canon seemingly screwed this up.

 

[hoktar]

Interesting, that nearly everyone is against what they did with the 60D.
I wonder if Canon cared about it, if they knew.

 

[ELK]

Interesting, that nearly everyone is against what they did with the 60D.
I wonder if Canon cared about it, if they knew.

I'm not against. If plastic body helps keep price lower maintaining good build quality, then it's fine! Never heard any complaints about D70, D80, D90 plastic bodies. I actually owned D80 and then moved to 40D. The first feeling, when I looked and touched 40D was "Yes, it's huge.. but it's somehow... not serious. Is it really metal? Canon doesn't have designers at all?... etc". When I compared D80 and 40D side by side, I came to the conclusion that Nikon's designers put every effort to make me fall in love with it. And what did Canon's designers have in mind when making 40D? Curiously, the words of Boris the Blade from Snatch perfectly describe my feelings toward 40D design: "Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work, you can always hit him with it." To say nothing about Rebels!!! Hence, if Canon this time makes 60D plastic a bit appealing (D90ish?), then most of us, the snobs, will feel quite happy. So you may ask, why did I move from Nikon to Canon? My D80 had a lot of hot pixels. The Internet was also full of stories about D80 hot pixels. It made me mad, I could see them in almost all high ISO or long exposure pictures. If I knew that D90 will have CMOS sensor and will be such a good upgrade I wouldn't switch to Canon. But I didn't know, and I was very angry that a camera with BS instead of sensor costed me 800$.
But when I switched to Canon, I understood that I still loved Nikon. Now when I look at my D80 pictures, I don't notice these hot pixels. Maybe I've just grown up and finally am becoming a photographer from a novice measurebator. In the end, we just forget sometimes that the label on the camera and body material have absolutely no connection to the laws of optics. So much sentiments for today

 

[Shompis]

Indeed, the plastic Nikon uses is of very high quality and feels like very hight quality. However, the Canon xxx series feell like it is made of cheap plastic, not to mention how cheap on/off switch is on Canon compared to Nikon. That is worrying me that the 60D will feel cheap as the XXX series and not high quality plastic like the Nikon ones.

 

[gkreis]

Indeed, the plastic Nikon uses is of very high quality and feels like very hight quality. However, the Canon xxx series feell like it is made of cheap plastic, not to mention how cheap on/off switch is on Canon compared to Nikon. That is worrying me that the 60D will feel cheap as the XXX series and not high quality plastic like the Nikon ones.

I think we are all fretting about something we haven't seen yet. Let's just wait... (it is hard, I know)... and see what the reviews say.

My question is when will these be in stores so we can handle one?

 

[that1guy]

I've thought about it more today, and I think I am becoming more ok w/ the plastic IF it is a really high quality one. One more thing I'm curious about is what kind of shutter it will have. I wonder if it will still be the more durable XXD shutter or if it will get an XXXD shutter. I know, I know, we have to wait If they put the good shutter in and use a good durable plastic, I think I could be won over.

 

[marulk]

There are so many people around not knowing what they are talking about, I just tried to separate from them.
Sorry for this.

I want to upgrade from my (8MP) 350d rebel and I really like its pixel sharpness at 100%. I really have no need for 18MP. But I do want better ISO, faster AF, better ergonomics and larger viewfinder.
Could I not just get a 60d and shoot with it at 8MP and still see an IQ improvement over the rebel?

(I am guessing shooting in 8MP means the camera shoots at 18MP, then downsamples the image in-camera to 8, which theoretically should reduce some noise too ?)

 

[MCK]

But what about a heavy ef 70-200mm 1 2.8l is ii usm on a light plastic body ?

 

[MCK]

But what about a heavy ef 70-200mm 1 2.8l is ii usm on a light plastic body ?

What about it?
Are you trying to say that Canon would not have tested what you're suggesting?
Look at the photo on the front page... what's attached to that camera? Hmmm?
Is the camera falling apart?

No surely not !! :

I have just vusulized that a heavy lens on a light body would maybe tendency tilt over ... or would not lay as good in the hand as a heavier metal body...

 

[MCK]

But what about a heavy ef 70-200mm 1 2.8l is ii usm on a light plastic body ?

What about it?
Are you trying to say that Canon would not have tested what you're suggesting?
Look at the photo on the front page... what's attached to that camera? Hmmm?
Is the camera falling apart?

No surely not !! :

I have just vusulized that a heavy lens on a light body would maybe tendency tilt over ... or would not lay as good in the hand as a heavier metal body...

Thanks, now it is clear to me that you've never actually used a full length zoom on any tripod mounted D/SLR, especially not a white lens.

The white lenses all of tripod mounts attached to the lens and the pro's mount their lens which supports the camera, not the other way around. There's a few good reasons for that.

So if there are ony advantages in a plastic body why not to use one on all models ?

 

[marind]

I'm kinda bummed about the plastic body news. In my mind, the 7D is now the real replacement for the XXD line and this 60D is really a new level of camera stealing the name from the XXD line. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the product, but so far, I don't like it.

Tell us how metal vs plastic body will make any difference to your photography. And anyone else who thinks this is a change for the worse. Explain how the magnesium alloy is the core of the camera and without which you could not take a decent photo.

Have you even held a plastic body D/SLR to know what it is like? Let me clue you in - it's lighter. Pair a plastic body camera with a good plastic lens (50/1.8mkII) and you've got a winning combination that can take awesome pics in low light because there's very little strain on your muscles to keep it steady.

finally someone with brains on the forum .. to all of you, who are blablaing about the plastic bodyframes, or how ugly is this new camera ... argggh!! do a good thing to world of photography and switch to PRACTICA ..

 

[Jan]

So if there are ony advantages in a plastic body why not to use one on all models ?

Because people go crazy about these Mg bodys and so they sell well.

Well, seriously: a Mg body is probably sturdier than a plastic one. But the question is, if the normal user needs this. Maybe a professional photographer, who has two or three cameras around the neck and needs to switch between the really fast without being able to be carefull that they don't hit each other...

 

[that1guy]

I'm kinda bummed about the plastic body news. In my mind, the 7D is now the real replacement for the XXD line and this 60D is really a new level of camera stealing the name from the XXD line. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the product, but so far, I don't like it.

Tell us how metal vs plastic body will make any difference to your photography. And anyone else who thinks this is a change for the worse. Explain how the magnesium alloy is the core of the camera and without which you could not take a decent photo.

Have you even held a plastic body D/SLR to know what it is like? Let me clue you in - it's lighter. Pair a plastic body camera with a good plastic lens (50/1.8mkII) and you've got a winning combination that can take awesome pics in low light because there's very little strain on your muscles to keep it steady.

I actually did in another thread but I can't expect everyone to read each thread, so I'll explain in more detail...I can be clumsy and my camera gets beat and dinged all the time. I was figuring that it stood a better chance of surviving w/ a metal body. And if my camera survives, it will take a better photo than a broken one . If you would have read down the page a little you would have also found that I said I was becoming more ok w/ it if they used a high quality plastic and if they still put an XXD shutter in it (as I do shoot a TON of frames).

Here is a good example of what I mean...back when the 1DS came out my old boss took it out to get some photos. He was walking over a bunch of boulders, slipped and put his hands down quick to catch himself. Problem was that the 1DS was still in his hand The base of the camera hit a rock so hard the 28-70 2.8 broke right off the body, leaving the lens mount in the camera, and it ejected the battery (not sure if you have seen 1DS batteries, but they actually lock into the body). He got back to the studio, we removed the mount, put a new lens and battery in and it worked perfect. Fast forward to this year and a buddy of mine drops his Rebel XSi w/ a kit lens on it. Doesn't hit the ground hard enough to break the lens or cause any visible damage. His camera now doesn't work. Now I'm not saying that the 60D is built like the 1DS, so everyone quit writing the flame responses, but I figure that it has to fall somewhere in between as far as durability.

Do I need the durability? Not if I don't drop my camera . But I make money w/ my camera and a lot of times I'm chasing kids or at a wedding and I'm focusing more on my subject than on my camera. I know there is a really good chance of me doing something stupid If you misunderstood and thought that I was saying my pictures would look worse now that it was a plastic body, I'm sorry. All I was saying was that I can tend to be clumsy and I figure a more solid body is a better insurance policy for me.

Anyway, that's my reason FWIW.

 

[unruled]

I'm kinda bummed about the plastic body news. In my mind, the 7D is now the real replacement for the XXD line and this 60D is really a new level of camera stealing the name from the XXD line. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the product, but so far, I don't like it.

Tell us how metal vs plastic body will make any difference to your photography. And anyone else who thinks this is a change for the worse. Explain how the magnesium alloy is the core of the camera and without which you could not take a decent photo.

Have you even held a plastic body D/SLR to know what it is like? Let me clue you in - it's lighter. Pair a plastic body camera with a good plastic lens (50/1.8mkII) and you've got a winning combination that can take awesome pics in low light because there's very little strain on your muscles to keep it steady.

actually, I went from a 350d to a 40d and my keeper rate at slow shutterspeeds is a LOT higher with the 40d, because it just sits more stable in my hands, and the fact that its a better balanced weight distribution.

That said, part of the reason I hate plastic on camera's is -- superficial, but I like to feel quality in my hands, not as if Im holding a toy (a very expensive toy). I travel a lot and (literally) throw my 40d into a backpack all the time, never had so much as a scratch. Its good to be able to feel that confident.

 

[silvershot77]

Huge demand for lower count 1.6
bodies ? where ? not anywhere to be seen.

 

[that1guy]

Dilbert - touche. Look, you obviously won't be proven wrong w/ your logic so that is fine. I was just giving examples from my own experience. Aparently they weren't valid enough, so that is fine. From your example, I am actually now feeling a lot better about the plastic, so thanks for sharing your experience. You are right, I don't know how far the plastic rebel was dropped but I do know that the 1Ds was slammed down. You are right, plastic could have survived, but we each go with our personal experience. I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to provide helpful examples for others. No need to be so aggressive with your responses to people. I fail to understand why you seem to almost take it personally when someone says that they would prefer metal and then give reasonable reasons for backing that up. If you don't like the metal bodies, and if they are not as good as plastic, don't buy them. Anyhow, thanks again for the conversation and thanks for letting us know you've dropped your plastic body multiple times (and I really do mean thanks, not trying to make a snarky comment)...that truly does add to the conversation.

 

[unruled]

playing devils advocate here: some of you may remember the 350d that fell from a skydivers helmet and survived the drop

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/845602

 

[rrcphoto]

Dilbert - touche. Look, you obviously won't be proven wrong w/ your logic so that is fine. I was just giving examples from my own experience. Aparently they weren't valid enough, so that is fine. From your example, I am actually now feeling a lot better about the plastic, so thanks for sharing your experience. You are right, I don't know how far the plastic rebel was dropped but I do know that the 1Ds was slammed down. You are right, plastic could have survived, but we each go with our personal experience. I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to provide helpful examples for others. No need to be so aggressive with your responses to people. I fail to understand why you seem to almost take it personally when someone says that they would prefer metal and then give reasonable reasons for backing that up. If you don't like the metal bodies, and if they are not as good as plastic, don't buy them. Anyhow, thanks again for the conversation and thanks for letting us know you've dropped your plastic body multiple times (and I really do mean thanks, not trying to make a snarky comment)...that truly does add to the conversation.

wow .. how'd pros handle the EOS-1, 1RS, 1N and 3 then?

none of them had a mag alloy chassis... it wasn't until the EOS-1v that canon implemented magnesium alloy as a chassis structure.

Now if we go by that - there's alot of materials that canon MAY use to insure a rigid structure - pro cameras on the EF mount have done it before.

I have yet to see anyone complain about the build quality of the EOS-1 or EOS-3 bodies.

 

[silvershot77]

The best aspect of the 60D will likely be the plastic, not because it's plastic but because photographers wanted Canon to make a lighter unit with a prism vf. The tilt lcd...well, some wanted it, others not. Now we have to see if the af has been upgraded..to make the package complete and compete well with the D95.

 

[that1guy]

Dilbert - touche. Look, you obviously won't be proven wrong w/ your logic so that is fine. I was just giving examples from my own experience. Aparently they weren't valid enough, so that is fine. From your example, I am actually now feeling a lot better about the plastic, so thanks for sharing your experience. You are right, I don't know how far the plastic rebel was dropped but I do know that the 1Ds was slammed down. You are right, plastic could have survived, but we each go with our personal experience. I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to provide helpful examples for others. No need to be so aggressive with your responses to people. I fail to understand why you seem to almost take it personally when someone says that they would prefer metal and then give reasonable reasons for backing that up. If you don't like the metal bodies, and if they are not as good as plastic, don't buy them. Anyhow, thanks again for the conversation and thanks for letting us know you've dropped your plastic body multiple times (and I really do mean thanks, not trying to make a snarky comment)...that truly does add to the conversation.

I suspect that the design of the 60D will be more like the 550D - stainless steel box with lots of plastic around it. That box is probably there so that the lens mount remains metal. As the surface that actually bears the weight of the lens when the lens is attached and as a surface that is subject to frequent friction (putting the lens on and off), it's important for that to be metal and not plastic.

Note that the 7D ($1550) is now, in terms of price, closer to that of the 20D ($1499) when it was introduced than we expect the 60D ($1099-$1199) will be. Whilst we all expect that everything will get cheaper as times goes by, I suspect that there's a line in there somewhere about where it becomes unprofitable to make a metal body camera. Given the decline in price of all new cameras over time, in 18 months after the debut of the 60D, it should be selling at under $1000 and still for a profit. So we should keep that price point in mind, not the initial MSRP.

I suppose the thrust of this is that if you're looking for a metal body/mount from Canon in a DSLR then it would seem that there will be a minimum price tag associated with that.
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Really good points...I hadn't thought about the fact that it will still have the metal inner frame. I also I think had forgotten how much the price has dropped on these. It's a good point w/ the 20D...we used to pay a lot more for these cameras a while ago. I remember how much the 20Ds were when they came out, and you're right, the 60D is at a much lower price point (and that isn't even figuring for any inflation!). It will probably be quite a steal (in terms of price and features). Probably true that we can't expect the price to drop, features to go up, and the body to stay metal...I think it has been kind of gradual and so in my mind I have come to expect that, but it probably isn't realistic for me to do that.

I can't remember if it was earlier in this thread, or in another, but I had mentioned something about how the 7D seems to be the continuation of the XXD and the new XXD seems to be a new category...not sure if I was entirely correct on that, but we have basically gained a new camera line, and this seems to be Canon trying to draw a balance between each line so there is something for everyone at all price points. When I step back and look at it, I actually have to applaud them for that. I really think it is good that there is a sub $1k, lower $1k, mid/upper $1k, Mid $2k camera. It does give us a lot of nice choices, and puts great tech into almost anyone's hands.

You know, if this 60D is pulled off well, I wonder if they would consider doing a similar thing w/ FF cameras...Move one into the lower $2k range and then take one into the upper $2k/lower $3k range. Whether that means the 5D moves down and our mythical 3D becomes the more expensive one, or if the 5D goes up a bit more and they come out w/ a different model below it. Tell you what, if that is a good, durable plastic (like you have mentioned dilbert, and like you said about the old 1 series film cameras, rrcphoto), then I would be really interested in a $2k FF plastic bodied camera with maybe a few less features. Now this is totally me dreaming here, but I think that would be amazing...FF for $2k. Ahhh, to dream :