'Canon EOS R is now in testing by a small group of Canon professionals '
Always instils confidence.
Always instils confidence.
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Circle the fanboy wagons!
One persons experience in one part of the world can’t possibly reflect the experience of others, nor be an indicator of broader trends.
I’m curious what your explanations are for Sony to surpass marketshare of Canon and Nikon in the full frame market in less than 6 years.
Sure Canon will probably take it back in 2020, but come on....for “inferior cameras” that’s a remarkable accomplishment.
Thank you for your reply.There’s been a lot of posts about this speculation. The R right now is $1499 with adapter and extras from Adorama. It was released at like $2,299 just 18 months ago?
Best time to buy the R if that’s what your goal is and you’ll get your money back out of it when you decide to upgrade to the next version.
I would say the Mark II, based on rumors, would be released in the $2700-$3300 range depending on IBIS, new sensor tech, new processor, dual slots, etc. if it’s truly a 5D equivalent of 2020 I don’t see why it wouldn’t be in that range.
Essentially a lot of people think the R was a stop gap until they could come out with a better camera and the Mark II probably won’t resemble its classic version much.
I don’t think even the Sony boys can say this camera isn’t a great deal at $1499. It’s a very capable camera at that price point and the Mark II probably won’t ship until summer.
Always amazes me that sony is so lauded, yes it has really good specs and image quality but actually getting that image is a pain, the canons have their limitations but it is a better experience and what it lacks in pixels or dynamic range is compensated by handling and colour quality and where did all that dust come from, influencers and reviewers love sony but nikon and canon get used for a reason.Okay, no need for the f-word, it's really unhelpful and needlessly antagonistic. I don't think anyone here would disagree that Sony have made great strides. But the discussion seems to be coloured by an old narrative - than Canon (and maybe Nikon) are dinosaurs who don't listen and don't innovate, whilst Sony are nimble and responsive, which is partial to say the least.
On a broader note, I question the implication of some people's comments here that Canon's historic success is somehow accidental - that they didn't listen to customer feedback. I don't see how that can possibly be the case given their market dominance, even if you're just looking at the professional segment. The 1-series bodies weren't just conjured up out of nowhere, they were surely developed through close communication with users.
One last point, for all the talk of 'competition is good', a lot of people seem to think what Canon should do is simply copy Sony (whether in approach or specs). Multiple brands offering the same thing is a funny kind of competition, and I don't see how it benefits consumers, all of whom have different priorities.
Wireless transfer is slow and kills your battery fast. How long does it take to transfer 2000 RAW shots for you? 2000 shots could be taken over 2-3 hours time period is an unfortunate reality for event shooters. With Average file size 35Mb each that’s 70Gb + to transfer over wifi... good luck doing that in 2-3 hours period while you keep taking shots and your Camera battery would have to support all that.
Ok. Gotcha. This Solution may not work for events though.I actually tether when shooting. I bought a long usb to usb-c cable, one end plugs into the camera, the other into the surface pro tablet which is carried in a backpack. Immediate backups of all the shots I take when I use the tethered method. If I am casually shooting, I have the shots go to my phone or tablet wirelessly.
The tethering while on the go works quite well.
While connected to laptop, does it charge Camera? Or do we need some special cables or ports to charge the battery with camera.I actually tether when shooting. I bought a long usb to usb-c cable, one end plugs into the camera, the other into the surface pro tablet which is carried in a backpack. Immediate backups of all the shots I take when I use the tethered method. If I am casually shooting, I have the shots go to my phone or tablet wirelessly.
The tethering while on the go works quite well.
I look on it as an additional tool in the box. For a lot of the time i am shooting, it is usually a short burst of shots, and lots of time in between. This would work quite well for that. If I were shooting action at “the big game”, it would have a hard time keeping up...... but then again, this is not the camera I would have brought to cover action.Ok. Gotcha. This Solution may not work for events though.
At this point, I really don't think I can submit much more that actually would be constructive to this discussion.
So I wish all of You the very best!
From the same reports, further information on TOTAL, APS and FF sales changes year over year :
Overall Sales
Sony 19.4% increase in sales units 2019 vs 2018
Sony 31.2% increase in sales revenues 2019 vs 2018
Canon 12.8% DECREASE in sales units 2019 vs 2018
Canon 15.8% DECREASE in sales revenues 2019 vs 2018
If you are an investor and you get such figures, what would you think of Canon's performance?
What would you think of Sony's future in this business?
I am a commercial director in green chemistry in real life, when not travelling for my pleasure with cameras in order to take pictures and videos.
I have found the comments from Sportskutaren quite interesting and furthermore illustrated by beautiful pictures, showing his real capacity in using a camera.
Since these comments, I have read many answers that I find are showing a certain level of bad faith. I did not expect this here on this forum.
Obviously, the comments from Sportskutaren were constructive and written for the good of Canon reputation and business.
In my business world, dispute on words are not key, what are important are the sales figures.
If you think you are right but your sales are falling apart, the reality of business imposes to you the fact that you are wrong.
I love Canon, but Canon needs to change if they want to improve or keep their sales.
From my little perspective in video, Canon's strategy on DSLR for video has not worked and Lumix took their marketshare.
The same is happening with Sony in Japan in 2019 with Full Frame cameras.
Sony wins mirrorless race, beating Canon and Nikon for 2019 full-frame sales
Sony sold the most full-frame cameras in Japan this year, as the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z7 can't keep pace with Alphawww.digitalcameraworld.com
It is time to open your eyes and stop to deny the reality of Canon loosing marketshare and its leadership position in Japan (in FF).
I would be shocked to learn that Canon is loosing their leadership position because they are a perfect company, producing perfect products and those products are perfectly answering the needs of their customers. I would rather think they have missed or ignored some customer needs and those needs were better managed by other brands.
A consequence of this mismanagement from Canon is their marketshare going down and their loss of their leadership position.
If I remember well my Geography, Sweden is quite far from Japan, so clearly the loss of marketshare in Japan is not due to the local situation of some Swedish bad new sales persons not properly listening to an experienced bird photographer or a professional sport photographer.
So maybe this problem of Canon is global?!
And if you visit internet you'll find many comments going in that direction.
In Japan, in Full Frame, Sony won 6.4% marketshare and is now the leader with 38% marketshare.
When Canon lost 1.8% marketshare and now second with 36% marketshare.
What is interesting is not the small loss of Canon but the very serious increase of Sony.
DETAILS OF THE SALES ARTICLE:
While the western world was tying itself in knots buying all the Black Friday bargains, something very important happened in Japan: it was revealed that Sony sold more full-frame cameras than anyone else in 2019, overtaking Canon for market share.
In short, this means that Sony has won the full-frame mirrorless race in 2019; despite their best efforts, the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z7 simply couldn't keep paces with the awesome sales of Sony's Alpha cameras.
The news comes courtesy of BCN+R, the Japanese retail analysis service that monitors point of sale data in the nation. In its report, BCN+R announced that Sony now holds dominant market share of 38% in the full-frame arena, followed by Canon at 36% and Nikon at 24%.
This is in stark contrast to 2018, which saw Canon hold a 37.8% share, Sony 31.6% and Nikon 29.1%.
Canon only released one FF body in the year, and that was the RP. If you look at the graphics, you'll see Canon's FF unit sales are actually up, and value is down, indicating they sold a ton of RPs, even though the more expensive DSLR bodies probably weren't in high demand. Which is to be expected, as they are near their end of life, with the 1DX III and likely even the 5D V coming next year.If you are an investor and you get such figures, what would you think of Canon's performance?
What would you think of Sony's future in this business?
As indicated by the graphics, the numbers from the report cover the year from November 2018 to October 2019.Serious question. When did fiscal 2019 end and fiscal 2020 begin in Japan?
Since these comments, I have read many answers that I find are showing a certain level of bad faith. I did not expect this here on this forum.
In my business world, dispute on words are not key, what are important are the sales figures.
It is time to open your eyes and stop to deny the reality of Canon loosing marketshare and its leadership position in Japan (in FF).
I am a commercial director in green chemistry in real life, when not travelling for my pleasure with cameras in order to take pictures and videos.
I have found the comments from Sportskutaren quite interesting and furthermore illustrated by beautiful pictures, showing his real capacity in using a camera.
Since these comments, I have read many answers that I find are showing a certain level of bad faith. I did not expect this here on this forum.
Obviously, the comments from Sportskutaren were constructive and written for the good of Canon reputation and business.
In my business world, dispute on words are not key, what are important are the sales figures.
If you think you are right but your sales are falling apart, the reality of business imposes to you the fact that you are wrong.
I love Canon, but Canon needs to change if they want to improve or keep their sales.
From my little perspective in video, Canon's strategy on DSLR for video has not worked and Lumix took their marketshare.
The same is happening with Sony in Japan in 2019 with Full Frame cameras.
Sony wins mirrorless race, beating Canon and Nikon for 2019 full-frame sales
Sony sold the most full-frame cameras in Japan this year, as the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z7 can't keep pace with Alphawww.digitalcameraworld.com
It is time to open your eyes and stop to deny the reality of Canon loosing marketshare and its leadership position in Japan (in FF).
I would be shocked to learn that Canon is loosing their leadership position because they are a perfect company, producing perfect products and those products are perfectly answering the needs of their customers. I would rather think they have missed or ignored some customer needs and those needs were better managed by other brands.
A consequence of this mismanagement from Canon is their marketshare going down and their loss of their leadership position.
If I remember well my Geography, Sweden is quite far from Japan, so clearly the loss of marketshare in Japan is not due to the local situation of some Swedish bad new sales persons not properly listening to an experienced bird photographer or a professional sport photographer.
So maybe this problem of Canon is global?!
And if you visit internet you'll find many comments going in that direction.
In Japan, in Full Frame, Sony won 6.4% marketshare and is now the leader with 38% marketshare.
When Canon lost 1.8% marketshare and now second with 36% marketshare.
What is interesting is not the small loss of Canon but the very serious increase of Sony.
DETAILS OF THE SALES ARTICLE:
While the western world was tying itself in knots buying all the Black Friday bargains, something very important happened in Japan: it was revealed that Sony sold more full-frame cameras than anyone else in 2019, overtaking Canon for market share.
In short, this means that Sony has won the full-frame mirrorless race in 2019; despite their best efforts, the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z7 simply couldn't keep paces with the awesome sales of Sony's Alpha cameras.
The news comes courtesy of BCN+R, the Japanese retail analysis service that monitors point of sale data in the nation. In its report, BCN+R announced that Sony now holds dominant market share of 38% in the full-frame arena, followed by Canon at 36% and Nikon at 24%.
This is in stark contrast to 2018, which saw Canon hold a 37.8% share, Sony 31.6% and Nikon 29.1%.
I think those times are over. The sensor in the M6 II and 90D shows that Canon has diminished noise issues boosting shadows further and in the case of the M6 II we see that throughput is much less of an issue, as it has basically the same amount of throughput as the Sony a9 for example.Canon have admitted they have have fallen behind on sensor technology. So as I see it, they want to match Sony but can't, despite what people want them to do.
Interesting numbers. But, things get more complicated as you dig in. I found this in the article you referenced: "What is interesting, however, is that between the 'big three', full-frame cameras are an incredibly small part of the puzzle (albeit the most profitable). According to BCN+R, full-frame only accounts for 10.4% of sales (6.4% of that being mirrorless, 4% DSLR); APS-C cameras account for 89.6% (55.7% mirrorless, 33.9% DSLR)."
Also, it's very hard to draw conclusions from a single year, as camera manufacturers follow different release schedules. Depending on what a company has or has not released in any given year can greatly impact sales for that year -- Probably more so with DSLRs than mirrorless, but I expect that since Canon did not have any major full frame DSLR releases in the past year, that could skew the sales figures.
This all causes me to default to a position I've long held -- I'm glad to see Canon's competitors doing well as that certainly puts pressure on Canon to do better. With Nikon and Canon both having about a century's worth of experience, I don't really worry about either one abandoning the market or going out of business. They have weathered changes before and I expect their management is far ahead of us in anticipating and adapting to changing conditions.