Canon EOS R vs 5D Mark IV - Pros & Cons

Kit.

EOS 6D MK II
Apr 25, 2011
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But, if you think about it, it is kind of crazy that you have to do that (for the peaking, the fixed screen I understand a little),
A 7" fullHD display is nice by itself.

and you also don't have the option of 4k external recording.
Why? What prevents using a passthrough display or a display with a built-in recorder?
 

zim

EOR R
Oct 18, 2011
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Two thing which I've been concerned as being R negatives look like they have turned out to be positives

1. Prone to very bad sensor dust
2. EVF experience compared to OVF

Going by some very early comments sounds like Canon nailed these. Protecting the sensor with the shutter is a great move imo. The EVF sounds sweet.
 
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padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
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Why? What prevents using a passthrough display or a display with a built-in recorder?
The 5D IV (just like any other Canon DSLR, including the 1DC) is only capable of 8-bit 4:2:2 1080p HDMI output. No 4k
 

AlanF

Canon 5DSR II
Aug 16, 2012
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EOS R Pro/Cons vs 5D4

+faster autofocus
Are you sure it is faster? Canon has a footnote as a caveat for fastest: "Among interchangeable lens digital mirrorless cameras incorporating 35mm full frame equivalent image sensors with phase-difference detection AF on the image plane and contrast detection AF, available in the market as of September 5th, 2018 (Based on Canon's Research).", which excludes the 5DIV. In fact, the EOS R is rated by Canon at 5 fps for focussing for APS-C vs 7 fps for the 5DIV. The EOS R can do 10 fps only if it doesn't AF after the first frame.
 
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padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
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Generally speaking, one is not clearly better than the other, one has a zillion AF points and (hopefully) intelligent tracking through the frame (and for video), and the other is just quicker to snap into initial focus from far away and also better at quick tracking (as long as it has been told with good settings on what to expect), but they are both useful for different situations.
That might change later of course, but that's where it is now.
And of course in theory, you may need to micro-adjust mirror-based AF, but not DPAF because it is already judged by the sensor's pixels themselves and also the camera's algorithm, that figures out what should be in focus.
 

bhf3737

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Some additional pros for R:
- Does not need lens calibration (general advantage of mirrorless)
- Has precise focus guide in manual focus (eliminates the need of external monitor for video)
- Can mount both EF and EF-S lenses via adapter
- Supports a 3rd customizable ring on lenses
 

JonSnow

EOS 80D
Sep 10, 2018
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https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

check the EOS R against the 5D MK4 and the Sony a7R III.

the sony is of course more expensive than the canon but shows noticable better image quality.

i update my 5D Mk4 when canon offers me better image quality.
i hope that the higher end mirrorless model will see an increase in resolution and overall better image quality.
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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To not like 5D4 is strange unless you mean that you need more resolution. In that case 5DsR may be for you. I used the comparisons in the site you suggested and the two cameras seemed the same (I checked ISO 100).
 
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Act444

EOS 6D MK II
May 4, 2011
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Comparing the R with the 5D4 in that image comparison, the R image is noticeably crisper. Did IR use the same lens on both cameras?
 

shunsai

EOS RP
Oct 15, 2011
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Some additional pros for R:
- Does not need lens calibration (general advantage of mirrorless)
- Has precise focus guide in manual focus (eliminates the need of external monitor for video)
- Can mount both EF and EF-S lenses via adapter
- Supports a 3rd customizable ring on lenses
By lens calibration, do you mean AFMA? I've heard people say there is no need for AFMA in mirrorless. Can someone explain that?
 

bhf3737

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By lens calibration, do you mean AFMA? I've heard people say there is no need for AFMA in mirrorless. Can someone explain that?
In a nutshell, DSLRs have a separate AF sensor different from the image sensor and any difference in the optical path between the two sensors must be compensated somehow, usually through the AFMA process. In mirrorless, the phase or contrast detect methods use the image on the sensor itself to achieve AF, albeit known to be a tad slower.
Dustin Abbott has a two parts video explaining the AFMA process and tools and a few thread in CR such as this are dedicated to the AFMA dicussion.
 
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pcaouolte

I'm New Here
May 13, 2018
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I understand that the EOS-R will be supplied with a USB charger. This means buying another charger if you want to have one battery on charge whilst using another battery in the camera.
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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... a way too much in only a few years if advances in technology continue as they have. Here's my question for myself. If I don't presently get out to shoot how is a lighter lens going to help?;)

Jack
Wouldn't you like a 500 that weighs almost as your current 400 DO ? :)

OK I am exaggerating a little, it will weigh more but you get my point. We only get older with time and the less weight the better.
But I have followed you in the birds thread and you are doing just fine :) Nice pictures, nice place(s), nice attitude.
 

Lurker

EOS 80D
Dec 8, 2012
157
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5D IV +Available now, known/understood system and full functionality is not pending firmware updates.

Just got my 5D IV last week and so far I'm very excited and pleased. Lots to learn stepping up from a 50D.
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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5D IV +Available now, known/understood system and full functionality is not pending firmware updates.

Just got my 5D IV last week and so far I'm very excited and pleased. Lots to learn stepping up from a 50D.
You will not regret it! It is a very nice camera for general purpose, portraits, night/low light shots, landscape, etc.
 

Act444

EOS 6D MK II
May 4, 2011
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You will not regret it! It is a very nice camera for general purpose, portraits, night/low light shots, landscape, etc.
I'll add that it can also be competent for action shooting particularly if you're not a paid pro who must get "that shot"...the AF tracking is good enough...gotten great results at ice shows with it, especially since many have virtually nonexistent lighting. I prefer it to the 7D2 I was using before basically due to its superior high ISO performance. Also, the additional resolution over a 1DX/II leaves room for extra cropping as well.
 
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Act444

EOS 6D MK II
May 4, 2011
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Comparing the R with the 5D4 in that image comparison, the R image is noticeably crisper. Did IR use the same lens on both cameras?
Answering my own question, I saw the "EXIF" button and indeed, although both were taken at 50mm, in the case of the R the much sharper RF 50 1.2 was used, whereas the 50mm compact macro was used in the 5D4 shot (and the other Canons that I know of)...misleading! Not an equivalent comparison as it is set up at the moment.