Canon EOS R5 launch price will be below $4000 USD [CR3]

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I have always found that amusing; people who trash Canon at every turn then go buy an adapter and use nothing but Canon lenses on their Sony bodies. I do think the RF mount hurts Canon as well though, sure there's an adapter but with RF lenses costing more than their EF equivalents, and the fact that the new bodies aren't native to the EF mount; these factors can't help but slow adoption.
I don’t see that there is a comparison in the idea of first party lenses using an in house glassless adapter with fully implemented communication protocols to the use of third party lenses via a different third party adapter none of whom are privy to each other’s communication protocols.

I see real benefits of using adapters for several EF lenses, indeed that is my main interest in an R body, the ability to filter my EF 15 fisheye, TS-E 17, and the 11-24. I can buy an RF body for less than the price of filter solutions for those three lenses!

Yes there are slight compromises using even glassless adapters, but in truth they are small but for my use the benefits vastly out weight them.
 
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Not at all, the R5 is not a sports shooter (from what we know so far), it will not win over OVF shooters (myself included), it is not as rugged as the 1DXIII, it will definitely not be used at the Olympics, etc. The 1D series has always been a specialist camera which is a niche that the R5 does not fill; pricing is not everything; that's like saying it will render the C200 obsolete just because it is cheaper and on paper has some better video features.

It definitely will be used at the Olympics, assuming they actually happen in 2021. Not every photo assignment at an event like the Olympics involves shooting sports action with big whites from long distances. There are also a lot of human interest stories to be covered. Athletes enjoying the night life in the host communities. Families and friends of athletes who made the long journey to watch and support their loved one. What it's like to live in the athlete's village for a few weeks. How hosting an Olympic event affects the lives of the local residents. Ect.
 
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In the USA, depending on the website that you order it from you won't pay any taxes on the camera. Are you supposed to then self report at the end of the year..yes, does anyone do that, that's a different story. And we are still talking about buying new, in the used market taxes are all but non existent.

If you are buying from an authorized seller instead of grey market, not paying sales tax is becoming rarer and rarer as various states pass legislation that allows them to require out of state sellers to collect sales tax on items shipped to their state. This has really taken off since a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision ruled in favor of such states. B&H, Adorama, Amazon, etc. all now charge me 8% sales tax on all online purchases, even though none of them have a physical presence in my home state.
 
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It definitely will be used at the Olympics, assuming they actually happen in 2021. Not every photo assignment at an event like the Olympics involves shooting sports action with big whites from long distances. There are also a lot of human interest stories to be covered. Athletes enjoying the night life in the host communities. Families and friends of athletes who made the long journey to watch and support their loved one. What it's like to live in the athlete's village for a few weeks. How hosting an Olympic event affects the lives of the local residents. Ect.
I should imagine that Canon will have an R1 out by the Olympics in 2021
 
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Taxes are high and so are social benefits, that is the choice the country makes, people bleating about ‘rip off’ wherever every time a price Is announced conveniently ignore that. Nobody but a fool expects low taxes and generous social benefit programs.

Meanwhile we here in the USA can fly fighter jets over healthcare workers to ‘show respect’ when I think they would be better served with a decent supply of PPE.

As for the Mustang, what special import tariffs and taxes are put on that either to protect the environment or other European performance car manufacturers? Ford aren’t getting anything like $135,000 per Mustang sold in Europe!

Those fighter jet flights are routine training missions that must be flown every month in order to keep pilots qualified by logging a minimum number of flight hours per month. If they weren't flying over hospitals, they'd still be flying over something somewhere.
 
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Not at all, the R5 is not a sports shooter (from what we know so far), it will not win over OVF shooters (myself included), it is not as rugged as the 1DXIII, it will definitely not be used at the Olympics, etc. The 1D series has always been a specialist camera which is a niche that the R5 does not fill; pricing is not everything; that's like saying it will render the C200 obsolete just because it is cheaper and on paper has some better video features.
Not all sport shooter use a 1Dx device. If one has ever been to a sporting event on regular basis or a Track & field event, as I'm a coach myself, they would certainly see many a journalist wih 5Dm3s and 5Dmk4 units. The 1Dx may be the device that Canon has advertised as THE sports shooters camera. However it is NOT the only camera. By any means. Simply look at the images on the journalist and "sports shooters" posting. You would be surprised. I never took a 1Dx out on the track or pitch. Why? Because shooting images are just one part of the task. Track and Field meets last ALL flipin day and during the Olympics for few weeks. Prelims, finals etc. Never wanted to be tied down to that tank when leaving the venues. Or having to return directly to the hotel. It's a large item to be lugging around especially when we were in Rio de janeiro. There was very little that one needed at a competition that the 5d couldn't do. Nada. My athlete runs the 110m hurdles. Never had any problem and got images that many photogs with 1Dx's drooled over. Because I know the competition that I'm shooting. Most sporting events have predictable movements. There's a lot one can do with 8k frame grab also.
 
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I have always found that amusing; people who trash Canon at every turn then go buy an adapter and use nothing but Canon lenses on their Sony bodies. I do think the RF mount hurts Canon as well though, sure there's an adapter but with RF lenses costing more than their EF equivalents, and the fact that the new bodies aren't native to the EF mount; these factors can't help but slow adoption.



The larger sites yes (especially Amazon), but you might be surprised at how many smaller sites still don't collect taxes. Even B&H didn't collect taxes on my recent purchase. It's really based on the state the company is in, the local laws of that state, and the laws of the state that you reside in.

B&H has been charging sales tax on my purchases at least since the beginning of 2019. (Ditto for amazon, adorama, and most other non-camera related online retailers that aren't fly-by-night operations trying to fly beneath the radar.)
 
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Not at all, the R5 is not a sports shooter (from what we know so far), it will not win over OVF shooters (myself included), it is not as rugged as the 1DXIII, it will definitely not be used at the Olympics, etc. The 1D series has always been a specialist camera which is a niche that the R5 does not fill; pricing is not everything; that's like saying it will render the C200 obsolete just because it is cheaper and on paper has some better video features.

" ... it will not win over OVF shooters ... "

Interesting level of arrogance to make statements on behalf of others. And remarkable level of ignorance to make conclusions before ever seen or tested ...
 
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Not a huge market overlap, but one that will inevitably grow. However, this will not stop the development of the EOS-1R with a form factor more akin to the EOS-1.
I am one of those boring luddites who likes big, heavy cameras and has been using the EOS-1 range since 1987!

That's funny. The EOS-1 wasn't introduced until September of 1989.
 
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