Canon EOS R5 launch price will be below $4000 USD [CR3]

Michael Clark

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Yes, this kind of levels the playing field for local photograhic vendors, if you can find one and gets me less excited about now ordering anything on Ebay, Amazon, Adorama, etc. etc.

Brick and mortars still have overhead that the big online sellers do not. Sure, B&H has that huge store in Manhattan, but only a tiny fraction of what they sell moves through there. Most of it is received from vendors and shipped to buyers from warehouses in central New Jersey.
 
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Michael Clark

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If you buy from Amazon, you will pay sales tax. There are many vendors that sell on Amazon and Amazon "fulfills" the order. In this case there is no sales tax. Unfortunately you also run the risk of counterfeit goods.

I got a fake B+W XS-PRO MRC nano HTC C-Pol KSM buying directly from amazon last summer. Amazon no longer keeps their third party vendor products separate from what they sell themselves. If a third-party vendor has a product I ordered directly from amazon sitting in a warehouse closer than where amazon's own stock is located, they'll ship me the one the third party vendor placed in amazon's nearest warehouse and then relist one of the ones from amazon's own stock in a more distant warehouse as belong to the third party vendor.

I sent it back, got all of my money back, and ordered one from B&H. The sad part is I liked the results from the fake one better than the authentic one I got from B&H! :ROFLMAO: :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :cry:
 
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herein2020

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You have to sign up for their Payboo credit card to receive a credit for the tax amount. Make sure you pay off the card before the due date because the annual interest rate is around 26%.

No you don't, as I mentioned before it depends on the state you live in and how far along the state you live in is in mandating sales tax for online purchases. They did not charge me sales tax and I did not use their credit card and I built a C200 rig over the last two weeks using B&H.
 
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herein2020

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" ... it will not win over OVF shooters ... "

Interesting level of arrogance to make statements on behalf of others. And remarkable level of ignorance to make conclusions before ever seen or tested ...

Clearly understanding context in a discussion is something you should probably work on. But since you obviously missed the context of the statement I'll break it down for you:

Statement from "Uneternal"

Thats would be a bold move of Canon cause it basically renders the 1DX3 obsolete.

Reply from myself

Not at all, the R5 is not a sports shooter (from what we know so far), it will not win over OVF shooters (myself included), it is not as rugged as the 1DXIII, it will definitely not be used at the Olympics, etc. The 1D series has always been a specialist camera which is a niche that the R5 does not fill; pricing is not everything; that's like saying it will render the C200 obsolete just because it is cheaper and on paper has some better video features.

Context

The IDX3 is obsolete because of the release of the R5

Response

It is not going to render it obsolete because:

  • It does not have the sports shooter features of the 1DXIII
  • It is not designed to have the speed of the OVF of the 1DXIII
  • It is not as rugged as the 1DXIII
  • It is not being marketed as a 1DXIII replacement (as per Canon's own release materials)
Conclusion

The R5 is not going to render the 1DXIII obsolete because the 1DXIII is a niche camera that meets the needs of shooters that shoot with the 1DXIII.

Summary

Is that clear enough for you? What part of that dialogue is arrogant or makes conclusions that are not based on facts that have already been released? The good news is that you are not alone, apparently others also simply looked at the response and failed to consider the context of the response; a skill that I thought was taught sometime around the 5th grade.
 
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Keep in mind that, as Dr. Toast pointed out above, the same amount of sensor movement provides less and less benefit as the focal length increases and the angle of view decreases. Or to put it another way, the same amount of camera movement creates more blur as the focal length increases. SO IBIS will not be nearly as effective at 400mm as it would be at, say, 50mm.
I wonder if it’s more of a threshold issue. If the sensor shift rate can keep up with the lens shake rate then it’s fine. The Nikon Z6 did great with a heavy handheld 400mm non-VR.
 
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Michael Clark

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I wonder if it’s more of a threshold issue. If the sensor shift rate can keep up with the lens shake rate then it’s fine. The Nikon Z6 did great with a heavy handheld 400mm non-VR.

It also depends on the limit of the sensor's movement. The same IBIS system runs out of room with one-eighth as much camera movement in the same direction with a 400mm lens as it would with a 50mm lens. Giving the sensor more range of movement does no good, either. It would then move outside the lens' image circle. The same IBIS system must also be able to move eight times as fast to give the same amount of compensation for a 400mm lens as it would for a 50mm lens. But if the sensor can move that much faster, why wouldn't you let it also use that speed at 50mm to give it even more compensation? Then you're right back to only getting one-eighth as much compensation for a 400mm lens as you would get with a 50mm lens.
 
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Remember this is a video centric camera.
It isn't. It shoots 12 FPS 45 MP stills mechanical and 20 FPS in e Shutter mode. With AF. That kind of throughput also makes it possible to do high res video, but they go hand jn hand. You don't give up anything on the stills side for those video features.
 
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Michael Clark

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Remember this is a video centric camera. The video features are on par and beyond the 1dxIII,

It's a general purpose camera made for both stills and video. The video capabilities have been getting more attention because Canon's March announcement was planned for a trade show that is video-centric and thus concentrated on revealing video features. That, and the fact that it will have video resolution and frame rate capabilities that no other hybrid stills/video camera from any brand has yet to offer. But it will also offer resolution and frame rate combinations that no other still camera from any brand has offered to date.
 
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No you don't, as I mentioned before it depends on the state you live in and how far along the state you live in is in mandating sales tax for online purchases. They did not charge me sales tax and I did not use their credit card and I built a C200 rig over the last two weeks using B&H.

I'm in CA as well and B&H started charging taxes sometime early-mid 2019 and Adorama followed late 2019.
 
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That sounds pretty horrible and would make me leave Canon for good.

Well I was joking and I don't think Canon will do subscription for in-camera features, but technically it's totally possible. In fact, jokes aside, depending on the price, it could be a good option. If you know the camera will last say 4-5 years, you can calculate the total cost of running the camera including subscription.
 
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I personally think it will be less but am happy at anything less than 4K. What I love about the RF mount is that it is not compatible with the Sony mount so no more using the superb and superior Canon lenses on your Sony. If you want the fantastic RF lenses you will need to go Canon all the way. Brilliant move on Canon's part. PS the same can be said for Nikon as well with their new S mount.
This will really hurt Sony more than the camera itself as their minuscule mount does have development limitations, it is even smaller than the little Canon M mount.

lol you seem to hate on sony for no apparent reason. it's always good to have competition - keeps canon on its toes.
 
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Maybe, but my guess is not by much, if any.

Field reports from those using the 1D X Mark III indicate it does very well with face detect and eye detect for both humans and animals, both in Live View and with OVF based PDAF.

I'm sure it focusses excellent. However, the 1dX III does not have animal eye or face detect in live view.

And FWIW, I do think that for face or eye tracking, on sensor focussing can surpass what's possible with an OVF. I think we've sort of hit the limit there.
 
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