Canon is gearing up for a big 2020 [CR2]

CanonFanBoy

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Spoken to a Canon rep the other day who strongly hinted the following (during a 15min chat):
  • The pro EOS-R will be available at the Photography Show in the UK in March 2020.
  • The pro EOS-R will be to the 1DXMKIII "what the 5DRS was to the 5D" - it will be a ultra-sharp 60mp (same as Nikon Z8) camera. It will lack some features of the 1DX MKIII which will still be the defacto Canon sports camera.
  • The 1DX MKIII will be released in time for the Tokyo Olympics, but after the pro EOS-R, in the same way the M50 dropped before the 250D.
Always skeptical about how much a "Canon rep" knows. Anyway, it sounds as though your source is conflating the high resolution R with the "pro" R. The high resolution R has been long rumored and I would not be surprised to see that announced in the first quarter of 2020. 60mp sounds a bit conservative, but possible.

If the high resolution R is released in March, that seems too late in the year for the 1DX III to be released after that.

Using terms like "Pro R" just creates confusion. The EOS R is already professional level, despite what forum "experts" think. Likely we will see a high resolution R sometime in the first or second quarter of 2020. A 1Dx III around the same time. A sports oriented R sometime in 2021. A 5DIV in late 2020 or early 2021. And, an RII following that. That is consistent with what has already been written here by Canon Rumors guy. Great unknown remains if and when there might be a sports/birding oriented crop sensor R.
I spoke to a Canon Rep the other day as we chatted over coffee. He said Canon's DR sucks and that Sony is the way to go. He also said there would be a 7D Mark X for birders with 500 fps bursts in uncompressed raw that instantly transfers to your home PC via 5G. No card slots. All his friends are switching to Sony.
 
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@Aussie shooter agreed, I was taken aback at the resolution he hinted at, the impression I got was they'll protect the 1DX line by not making a very high frame rate EOS-R.

@unfocused I agree, also skeptical what a Canon rep actually knows, he did describe the 1 DX MKIII and the pro/as good as the competition EOS-R coming out as a sort of duo which confused me too...because the resolutions will probably be so different. Big one for me was he also suggested the pro/hi-res/whatever it is EOS-R coming out might not have the crop factor making the current EOS-R a dud for hybrid shooters (like myself).

The Canon guy said he was personally holding off buying a Canon mirrorless until march next year. He agreed with me that the EOS-R is not holding up against Sony or Nikon's much more capable offerings right now. For what it's worth I'm waiting for a 1DX MKII price drop, and will go Canon mirrorless at some point when the price is down enough in a year or two...when Canon mirrorless is actually better than their DSLRS for my purposes. Having said that, with their rate of development right now I might switch sooner, we'll see!
 
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Kit.

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Spoken to a Canon rep the other day who strongly hinted the following (during a 15min chat):
  • The pro EOS-R will be available at the Photography Show in the UK in March 2020.
  • The pro EOS-R will be to the 1DXMKIII "what the 5DRS was to the 5D" - it will be a ultra-sharp 60mp (same as Nikon Z8) camera. It will lack some features of the 1DX MKIII which will still be the defacto Canon sports camera.
  • The 1DX MKIII will be released in time for the Tokyo Olympics, but after the pro EOS-R, in the same way the M50 dropped before the 250D.
@Aussie shooter agreed, I was taken aback at the resolution he hinted at, the impression I got was they'll protect the 1DX line by not making a very high frame rate EOS-R.

@unfocused I agree, also skeptical what a Canon rep actually knows, he did describe the 1 DX MKIII and the pro/as good as the competition EOS-R coming out as a sort of duo which confused me too...because the resolutions will probably be so different. Big one for me was he also suggested the pro/hi-res/whatever it is EOS-R coming out might not have the crop factor making the current EOS-R a dud for hybrid shooters (like myself).

The Canon guy said he was personally holding off buying a Canon mirrorless until march next year. He agreed with me that the EOS-R is not holding up against Sony or Nikon's much more capable offerings right now. For what it's worth I'm waiting for a 1DX MKII price drop, and will go Canon mirrorless at some point when the price is down enough in a year or two...when Canon mirrorless is actually better than their DSLRS for my purposes. Having said that, with their rate of development right now I might switch sooner, we'll see!
So, you joined the forum today to tell us that there is a Canon rep that Canon needs to fire?
 
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So, you joined the forum today to tell us that there is a Canon rep that Canon needs to fire?
Haha, I mean we had a long conversation about how much I loved Canon stuff, how I sold a lot of my Sony gear recently and that 2020 was clearly going to be a very exciting year for Canon...but you know all of that already :). I'd say he convinced me that was a good choice and that a lot of good stuff is coming. As others have said, who knows how much of one rep knows, we'll see.
 

Kit.

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Haha, I mean we had a long conversation about how much I loved Canon stuff, how I sold a lot of my Sony gear recently and that 2020 was clearly going to be a very exciting year for Canon...but you know all of that already :). I'd say he convinced me that was a good choice and that a lot of good stuff is coming. As others have said, who knows how much of one rep knows, we'll see.
Implausible. Neither disclosing corporate secrets to strangers nor telling customers to hold off purchases are what these people are paid for.
 

slclick

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Was it like 20 minutes on how you loved Canon stuff and then about 15 on how you sold your Sony gear ands maybe 30 on how 2020 will be exciting? I'm trying to add up a typical long conversation with a Canon Rep. Are you hot? Was it over drinks?
 
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SecureGSM

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Clearly it's stupid Canon crippling their products in order to force us to buy more than one body!
You are partially correct. example: Canon did not include a second memory card option with EOS R for that very reason. This and better weather protection along could serve as a major product line differentiator for a future 5D level R product.
 

SecureGSM

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Do you have inside knowledge of Canon's decision-making process? Because I never saw the memo detailing the design decisions Canon made for the EOS R.
Some decisions are just common sense and common business practices.
All Modern pro level Canon, Nikon and Sony bodies are dual memory card enabled.
All modern enthusiast level Canon bodies are single carded solutions with a limited weather sealing : 6D, 6D II, .... 7D II is an exception which is seems to be now a history, sadly.

There’s is no technical, size or cost constraints in having the second memory card in a mirrorless body. Canon solution architects understand the importance of second memory card slot and good weather protection offered on a pro level body very well.
Once again, It is either technical decision or business business decision.

EOS R is an Advanced enthusiast level camera.

EOS RP is a budget FF, R system product designed to build market presence and recognition, is a lure, a bred and butter, an affordable entry point and a powerful cross-brand competition tool: you can enter the Canon FF mirrorless family at a very attractive price entry point.
Get your RP body now and start exploring an endless world of Canon glass possibilities. You can afford this.
And if you need a bit more features there is The R product.
And if you need a specialise tool, then please do tell us what Pro body you are after:
High res pro body? Yup, here you go: 80MP+ camera, slow FPS.
all rounder, rugged pro quality and build body? Around 40-ish MP, 10-ish FPS
Or high FPS, sports action oriented body? 25-ish MP, 14+ FPS
 

xps

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Read on another Canon rumor site, that Eos R "Pro" will be released in March 2020. Suggested 60MP. :cool:
I hope this rumor comes true, would like to own an equivalent to my Sony 7R IV.
 
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@Kit. As I mentioned earlier, my chat with the rep was purely about my use case as a hybrid shooter. The rep agreed with me that the Nikon Z range and Sonys are currently more capable for video/photo hybrid shooting than the EOS-R (crop factor, Nikon pro-res update coming etc. etc.). He advised my to hold off buying a 1DX MK II now (even though price is coming down) and waiting for March next year. He said he is also personally holding off until then. He probably was trying to get me to wait so I'll be tempted by the much more expensive mirrorless option next year, not sure I'll do that but undecided myself! Useful advice anyway, not sure it was that controversial.

@slclick I am extremely hot and hand out sexual favours for details of mirrorless camera product lines :).