Canon registers a 32.5mp APS-C DSLR in Taiwan

HarryFilm

EOS 7D MK II
Jun 6, 2016
445
43
Just back from a regional migratory bird festival which attracts tens of thousands of wildlife pro's and affluent photo enthusiasts. 5 years ago that event would have been 80% Canon. Now ( based on my observation) I would say Canon and Nikon are evenly splitting about 60% of the market with Sony, Olympus and other MILC brands splitting the rest. Canon big and little whites were no more than 10 or 15% of the lenses with the majority now being the Sigma and Tamron superzooms. I don't see how a 90D with a 32 MP sensor is going to turn that around.

I get that Canon is cautious and concerned about the overall market but they really need to come up with some compelling products or the wildlife market is going to pass them by. I'd say MILC are only a generation or so behind for sports/action and the next 12 months are going to be a big release period for Sony.

Yes. I'm sure the 1DX3 will be outstanding but that market is shrinking too. I might have seen half a dozen pro (1D/D4-5) bodies. Five years ago there would have been a hundred. People want what they want but Canon still thinks they can bend the market to what they choose to provide. I don't think that's going to be a winning strategy this time around.

You have pretty much hit the nail on the head in terms of Canon's current position!

After going through the video wars of the 1980's when it was Sony Betacam SP/DigiBeta/SX or nothing and then seeing Sony's sudden cliff-drop in the professional broadcast video market in favour of Mini-DV from JVC and Panasonic, I think that Sony has learned from past experience.

Canon? Not so much! Back in the day when I used all Nikon FILM cameras for my stills work, Canon was HUNGRY for marketshare so they spent the money on Research and Development and blew right past Nikon for pro stills film and digital cameras in the 1990's/early-to-mid 2000's.

NOW AGAIN, where I once saw nothing but Canon Whites and 1Dx's, I sure do see a LOT of Sony A9's and G-series lenses now! AND surprisingly at the last soccer (football!) game I was at working on the sidelines as a favour to a friend, I suddenly saw FIVE Olympus OM-D E-M1X supper-rugged micro-four-thirds cameras during that game!
A week later at a different game in a different city, MORE Olympus E-M1X cameras.

Call it crazy, but I think Olympus has a PRO-LEVEL HIT on their hands with basically the most-rugged, weather-proof, HUUUUUGEST PRO-LEVEL FEATURES sports camera I have seen at a price point that is HALF of a Canon 1Dx Mk2 !!!!

Right now SONY is winning the Full Frame features and lens quality awards now with the A9 and G-lenses!
Right behind is Olympus with their super-rugged E-M1X cameras. Canon right now is bested by the Nikon D-850 which offers HUGE bang-for-the-buck. The Canon R with those FAST f/1.2 lenses is a good start BUT the R-body has a CRIPPLED feature-set compared to almost ANY Sony, Nikon, Panasonic or Olympus camera. A case of great initial set of lenses attached to a completely crippled body!

Canon has less than a year. When Sony brings out those two big-battery 8k resolution 2/3rds inch and APS-C sensor xPeria smartphones they've been testing in the wild, THAT will kill off Canon's low end (M5, M50, 6D/7D/Rebel series) still cameras! And that upcoming Sony 50.3 megapixel and DCI 8k combined Stills/Video full-frame format sensor camera will completely KILL OFF Canon's High end C200/C300 business! And the new MF-75 56x42 mm super-low-light medium format DCI 8K 120 fps at 16 bits per RGBA colour channel sensor upgrade to the cinema-oriented Sony Venice is also GOING to kill off the C700 series and basically challenge Arri Alexa-65 to a one-on-one showdown!

Sony is winning the technology war PERIOD! Canon is just making do by only focusing on keeping steady LOW-LEVEL profits! Doing ONLY THAT without extra features being introduced on every product launch means eventual death for the consumer and pro broadcast imaging divisions. Only the printing, pro-lenses and industrial optics will remain if they don't put out something on the COMBINED Mirrorless Stills/Video camera market with a LOADED UNCRIPPLED FEATURE SET at a GOOD PRICE --- STARTING THIS FALL!

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Soooooo, CANON IS DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED !!!!!!! Dooomed I tell you! Utterly Doooooooomed!

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uri.raz

EOS 80D
Jan 5, 2016
137
94
In terms of an 80mp sensor with a 20mp 'color depth' mode I doubt there would be any gain after scaling the normal 80mp version down to 20mp and comparing with the color depth 20mp one.
If one is willing to settle for 20MP, I think adding 2 green pixels to get a single RGB pixel would require less processing than demosaicing @ 80mp and downsampling to 20MP.
 

Cochese

EOS 80D
Oct 22, 2014
101
47
How do cell phone images have inherent DPI?
Take a picture with your phone. The output, whether RAW or JPG will be 72DPI by whatever resolution the sensor is. My current phone will spit out a 72dpi image at somewhere around 57in x 43in. You can change the DPI to whatever you want after the fact, but your phone's output will be 72DPI. Of the hundreds of Cell phone images I've handled from customers, they're always at 72DPI X whatever the output of the sensor is. Usually something rather large. Typically, I reduce the images to from my phone down 15 x 12 @300DPI. It doesn't really make too much of a difference in print, but not having a dimensionally massive file to deal with is easier. Most customers don't go beyond 8"x10" Though, I did do a 7ft. Gallery canvas wrap from an iPhone 4 (original iPhone 4) panorama image that came out looking pretty good. But that just comes down to how Apple handled Panorama mode photos compared to Android at the time (now they both just make one large image)
 

uri.raz

EOS 80D
Jan 5, 2016
137
94
Take a picture with your phone. The output, whether RAW or JPG will be 72DPI by whatever resolution the sensor is. My current phone will spit out a 72dpi image at somewhere around 57in x 43in. You can change the DPI to whatever you want after the fact, but your phone's output will be 72DPI.
OK, it's a value the smartphone writes there, which doesn't prevent you from printing the image in whatever DPI you want.

Though, I did do a 7ft. Gallery canvas wrap from an iPhone 4 (original iPhone 4) panorama image that came out looking pretty good. But that just comes down to how Apple handled Panorama mode photos compared to Android at the time (now they both just make one large image)
Smartphone cameras have progressed farther than I thought. I have a rather new Samsung Galaxy, but didn't think it could pull that, and would have gone straight to my DSLR.
 
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caffetin

EOS M50
Apr 20, 2019
39
12
reading posts I get the impression that the canon fails. I must admit that I did not like sony and nikon processors because they give unacceptable colors to me. Canon and maybe fuji are the most natural colors, and as for 4k and 8k, it's not clear to me why are they needed when most of the people do not even have a 1080 resolution on TVs or monitors so they are virtually unusable. I like the philosophy of canon that is based, in my opinion, for photography, that video and everything else, so buy your camcorders. It's true that the r series is a lot expensive, I can not follow it, but the 7d mark 3 with this specification I think will be good for the macro(my point of interest). In the end, people should think carefully about what they need and not to run after the news that never uses.
 

Daner

EOS M50
Aug 15, 2017
27
16
Stockholm
I have an easier time seeing this as the 90D sensor, with a single Digic 8 processor, video features and autofocus capabilities at least equal to those of the 80D, and topping out at 7-8 fps for stills.

The 7D Mk. III (if indeed there ever is one) should be more about higher fps, enhanced autofocus capabilities, and perhaps an expanded video capacity as well. That will be most likely to be achieved with a lower resolution sensor (24-28 megapixels) with Dual Digic 8 processors. I would also expect it to have a fixed touch screen rather than a flippy, and enhanced water resistance and toughness as compared to the 90D.
 

Cochese

EOS 80D
Oct 22, 2014
101
47
OK, it's a value the smartphone writes there, which doesn't prevent you from printing the image in whatever DPI you want.

DPI will affect your print output. If you change your DPI, but don't adjust your image size in accordance, you'll start to lose quality of the print. If I make a 16x20 print from a 72DPI image that was sized at 8x10, you'll have some pretty bad image degradation. That wouldn't happen if you had an 8x10 at 300DPI.

Smartphone cameras have progressed farther than I thought. I have a rather new Samsung Galaxy, but didn't think it could pull that, and would have gone straight to my DSLR.
Considering how terrible most smartphone cameras handle dynamic range, you're still better off with your DSLR. The 7ft print looked good enough for the couple who wanted it, but the highlights were blown out. The shadowy rocks and water looked okay for what they were. Insofar as a quality print, it works out just fine for your average consumer. But it wouldn't pass muster from your average photographer. On a personal level, the second rear camera on my LG G6 uses a lens comparable to about 14mm or wider. I often use it to capture a single take of a wide landscape that I'd need to take multiple photos to get the same field of view.
 

Daner

EOS M50
Aug 15, 2017
27
16
Stockholm
Now 7D Mk III same as 90D. Not exist.
The article says "We’d wager that this camera will be the replacement for the EOS 80D and potentially the EOS 7D Mark II."

My point was that it would seem to be a better fit for a 90D replacement than a 7D Mark II replacement.
 

Valvebounce

EOS 5D SR
Apr 3, 2013
4,199
166
52
Isle of Wight
Hi Snoke.
Yes you are correct, ‘not exist’ (yet) as you put it!
However it seems likely from other information available on this forum that the 90D ‘might just possibly be’ the replacement for both the 80D and 7DII so it might exist soon enough!
Let’s us all wish hard for that no to be the case unless it is really a down badged 7 and not just equal to the XXD series!

Cheers, Graham.

Now 7D Mk III same as 90D. Not exist.
 

stevelee

FT-QL
Jul 6, 2017
1,170
227
Davidson, NC
I can't get my mind around any of the substance of this discussion. I got stuck trying to imagine what sort of person stands one foot away from a poster to look at it.
 

masterpix

EOS 80D
Jun 29, 2016
107
60
7d speed, build quality and focus system with everything else from an 80d should do it! To be honest an 80d sensor in a 7d2 would do me fine.
Putting the 80D sensor (or better) into the 7DMK3 is not combining the two bodies into one, it is 7Dmk3 and 90D different bodies. On my size, having a 24MP sensor in the 7D while increase frame rate, dynamic range and reduce noise is enough to convince me to get the new 7D. The race for "how many MP I have" is not as important for, for most works, you don't need that much MP anyway.
 
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Jasonmc89

EOS 80D + 100-400mm mkii
Feb 7, 2019
126
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Putting the 80D sensor (or better) into the 7DMK3 is not combining the two bodies into one, it is 7Dmk3 and 90D different bodies. On my size, having a 24MP sensor in the 7D while increase frame rate, dynamic range and reduce noise is enough to convince me to get the new 7D. The race for "how many MP I have" is not as important for, for most works, you don't need that much MP anyway.
I agree! I’d take low light performance and DR over MP count anyday.
 

Daner

EOS M50
Aug 15, 2017
27
16
Stockholm
7d speed, build quality and focus system with everything else from an 80d should do it! To be honest an 80d sensor in a 7d2 would do me fine.
I missed the touchscreen when I upgraded from the 70D to the 7D Mk. II. I appreciated getting it back when I upgraded to the 5D Mk. IV, but I still prefer the 7D Mk. II thumb switch for toggling between AF area modes over the 5D dual button dance. As such, I would hope that a 7D Mk. III would retain the thumb switch but add a touch screen.

PS - It also wouldn't bother me if it picked up the live-view focus stacking trick from the RP. Kind of a shame that they have not yet retrofit that to the R with a firmware upgrade.
 

Antono Refa

EOS 6D MK II
Mar 26, 2014
810
108
Is it your contention that your view is unbiased? o_O
I said it is in a previous post. Should I find it for you, or can you do it yourself?

It's biased, just less than photographers who think most other photographers are pros like themselves.