Canon RF 35mm f/1.2L USM coming in 2020 [CR1]

melgross

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Like the tiny M42 screw mount manual lenses. All my f/1.4s are tiny tiny. Even the 200mm (not f/1.4) is tiny compared to what there is now... but the IQ isn't as good, depending on personal taste.
And it’s all about IQ. Even Kodachrome 25 was, according to Kodak, no more than about 18MP in resolution. I agree. Even a 24MP camera NEEDS a better lens than film. Move to over 30Mp and the requirements are much stricter.
 

H. Jones

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A 35mm f/1.2 has me very excited.. Makes my favorite lens even better.

Just another example of how Canon is slowly convincing me that I'll sell all of my personal EF gear for RF gear when the pro mirrorless comes around. Not surprised if most of the future work lens purchases will all be RF mounts too...
 
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CanonFanBoy

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And it’s all about IQ. Even Kodachrome 25 was, according to Kodak, no more than about 18MP in resolution. I agree. Even a 24MP camera NEEDS a better lens than film. Move to over 30Mp and the requirements are much stricter.
Absolutely. My problem is my old eyes. The focus peaking on the R has really helped with that as opposed to my 5D Mark III. Both are good cameras.
 

SecureGSM

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Feb 26, 2017
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I know. This 1.8/35 macro is nothing special optically and it is no L lens. The Canon RL primes strategy is wrong, just wrong: 35mm is no studio FL, it is the most used FL when it comes to primes. Will we take a set of 1.2 primes with a trolley around the house? Hiking with f1.2? These extrafast primes feed pride of ownership and are fascinating techwise, but be honest, the majority of excellent pictures are shot at around f5.6-f8. Excellent small primes for 'small mirroless' is a lost chance by Canon. I really am disappointed. Sorry.
35mm is a studio lens for a number applications being: boudoir, large studio editorials, commercial being some amongst others. the utility of F1.2 for such applications and in a controlled light settings is questionable in my opinion.
However, again, weddings and events photogs may appreciate an opportunity to shoot at a 1/2 stop wider in dimly lit venues with no flash allowed.
That said, I trust that F2.0 will be sufficiently enough for majority of run and gun situations.
 
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SecureGSM

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As an events photographer, i'd expect this to focus at f1.2 in difficult low light conditions then step down to say f4 for the actual shot.
.... or, when in very low light situation, because DoF even At F1.2 will be quite deep, you can set distance to subject manually and switch to manual focusing. Takes care of the focusing delay, happy days.
I shoot prefocused in low light with a 35/1.4 prime all the time.
 
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SwissFrank

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Kudos to Canon for pushing lens design to dizzying heights, but I just want an excellent set of small modest primes for the RF: f/1.4 to f/1.8 is fine, and a 20mm f/2.8.
Agreed! I need a 35/2-non-macro-non-IS and a 50/1.8 to choose between to have my R in my backpack every day of the week.

A Chinese company called Kipon has f/2.4 primes in 24, 28, 35, 50, 75, and 90, but I'm not sure if they're optimized for the RF system's short film-flange distance. My local Bic Camera here in Tokyo doesn't have them in the store, only listed by the web retail arm, and have a no-return policy. So I'm left using a Leica 35/1.4ASPH on my R :-D

The 50/1.2 is VERY dark in the corners, like 2.5 stops or something, but otherwise insanely great. I'm thinking about the 85/1.2 now. BOTH have the amazing feature that 1) at 1.2 they're sharper than the EF lenses at their best aperture, and 2) wide open, their 30lp/mm line is above the EF's 10lp/mm line. 3x sharper linearly means about 10x sharper in area. Incredible step up. I've owned the 1.8, 1.4, and 1.2 EF lenses and I thought they were bad even before getting the RF50.
 

SwissFrank

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And how about a pair of telephotos: RF 100mm f/1.4 and a 135mm f/1.4?
I'd like to see a 135mm f/1.0 DS. Basically, stopped down to f/1.4, it'd give entirely round highlights center to corner, then the DS would turn those into fluffy cotton balls. The front would be about the size of a 400/2.8 or 600/4 so I imagine an $8000 specialty lens. Yet they're already asking (and getting!) $2500 for the 50 and 85 1.2's.
 
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Normalnorm

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Let’s not forget that lenses have been getting bigger for years. How many people here remember whn 50mm f1.8-2.0 lenses had 6 elements, and f1.4 had 7? These days are long gone. now a 1.4 is as large as a 135 f2.8 used to be, and often, heavier. Mirrorless supposedly gets these lenses slightly smaller and lighter. So I imagine Canon is thinking that they can make f1.2 that’s not that much bigger than DSLR f1.4 lenses.
I think the conceit of smaller lenses for mirrorless has been dispensed with. I have seen almost no new lenses that are smaller than their predecessors. The RF 24-105 is slightly smaller and lighter but scarcely a revelation in packaging. In addition the IQ requirements of the newest sensors (not to mention the fanboy peepers) demand lens formulae that are much larger as first evidenced by the Zeiss Otus line.
 

unfocused

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Did you run a study on Zeiss after they released the $4500 Otus lenses .. the manual focus ones?

Canon's new lenses are not uber expensive. And I doubt they need to make low price budget lenses right now. The starving penny pinchers can merely adapt the nifty fifty to an RF body, and that's likely what the bargain basement lens buyers will do.

Personally, I like great glass, so I enjoy what they are making. And it's nice being able to select from EF or RF glass.
My...aren't we delightful. Welcome to the forum. We are so lucky to have someone of your caliber here to enlighten all the starving penny pinchers and bargain basement lens buyers.
 
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unfocused

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You need to understand the market segment that is shrinking. The shrinking segment by far is the consumer market. The Pro market is actually growing (or at the very least, flat). So who is Canon targeting with the early RF lens line-up? Pro's and well-heeled advanced amateurs/hobbyists. People denigrate the 2 early bodies that Canon released for this reason or that but most that do so, have not actually used either body and played around with the files, etc.

By also implementing 2 different types of adapters for EF/EF-S to RF they've actually managed to improve performance and functionality of the older lenses when one chooses the adapter that has the control ring on it...
I've certainly been around enough to understand the shrinking market. And, no, the professional market is not growing.

The enthusiast market is the segment that is seeing growth. Much of that is being driven by higher per capita spending within that market, not necessarily greater numbers of buyers. Yes, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony, etc., are all going after that market, which has more disposable income and is less sensitive to the economy.

I simply made the suggestion that I'd like to know more about Canon's strategy with these high-end lenses, which seem to be targeted to quite a small subset within the enthusiast market -- those that need, or at least think they need, very fast prime lenses. It has been my sense that the growth in the enthusiast market has been more heavily weighted toward wildlife and bird photographers. These are not lenses for that market.

There must be a market for these lenses, or Canon would not be making them. I simply stated I'd like to know more about what the market is.
 
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I hope they make a 16mm f1.2 as well.
That would be great. The Sigma 20mm 1.4 is the only non L lens in my Canon kit. It misses focus a bunch and takes a bit of post-work to color match but until Canon makes something like that, it's the only fast superwide prime option I know of.
 
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pj1974

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These incredible new fast RF lenses do excite me... I love the look that fast, sharp, amazingly engineered lenses/quality glass gives. Naturally that type of glass is usually expensive... but as with most things in life, "you get what you pay for".

At the same time, I think it's a positive that Canon (and other manufacturers) have shown - that they are pushing new boundaries with respect to lenses for mirrorless cameras and applying various new technologies. The advantages already do (and will continue to) shine through in both the 'elite' glass, as well as more standard lenses that fall more into the 'consumer and prosumer class' of lenses.

There are generally the pro-quality lenses that are specifically designed for specific tasks, and the smaller / lighter / less expensive counterparts that are more 'flexible'. Canon is already showing this with mirrorless, as are others. So the rumour of a RF 35mm f/1.2 means, while I probably won't buy a 35mm f/1.2, I might still 'benefit' from its existence - e.g. a RF 35mm f/2 might suit me well enough.

You need a M5 or M6 with the EF-M 22mm f2.8. That is your light-weight, hiking/all-day use kit that still provides excellent IQ in a very compact but still 35mm FOV equivalency (on these APS-C bodies).
Yes, agreed! I own the M5 and also have previously had the M10. The EF-M 22mm (actually an f/2, not a f/2.8 as written above) - is a great lens on both cameras. It's so small and light, a handy focal length, and yet has great image quality. It would also shine even more on a Canon mirrorless with in-body-image-stabilisation (IBIS) if Canon would come produce camera bodies with that technology. I love my EF-M 22mm f/2, great as a casual street lens, and lens to capture 'people within their environment'.

PJ
 

Berowne

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I was an early adopter of the EF 85/1.4 IS and did never regret. It is a heavy and bulky lens, but i dont care. So if I could afford the new fast RF-lenses, I would not hesitate a moment.
 

Del Paso

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Absolutely. My problem is my old eyes. The focus peaking on the R has really helped with that as opposed to my 5D Mark III. Both are good cameras.
I really disliked focus peaking with my Leica M 240, poorly implemented with the accessory EVF.
So, I was quite skeptical when I bought my second EOS R :love:, the first one having been replaced after a week with the 5 D IV, reason was the absence of dual SD slot (I stupidly panicked before an important trip!).
Conclusion: the R's focus peaking :love:is absolutely great with vintage lenses, the magnifying feature :love:perfect, and, last not least, the USABLE DOF preview :love:with manual lenses. Fantastic for macro shots !