Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L USM coming May 9, 2019

Rivermist

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So Canon continues the mismatch between the lenses being offered and the bodies being offered. Where is the 24-240 lens or 5d level body?
One does get the impression that Canon had to release the mirrorless new generation of bodies and lenses ahead of their preferred schedule, which would probably have happened end 2019 with a pro IBIS and the RP together with 6-7 L lenses and 3-4 more mainstream and less expensive lenses like the 24-240. Nikon’s move and/or Sony’s growth forced an early and rather incoherent timing, with the R cobbled together and whatever lenses were ready for production, the rest following in a haphazard way. This is of course pure speculation :)
 

SwissFrank

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But will it beat the Milvus 1.4/85
I've seen websites saying the RF50/1.2 is the sharpest lens ever made, others saying the Leice APO-Summicron 50/2 or the Otus 55/1.4.

But I haven't found any site that's tested even two of the three, has anyone else here?
 

BillB

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One does get the impression that Canon had to release the mirrorless new generation of bodies and lenses ahead of their preferred schedule, which would probably have happened end 2019 with a pro IBIS and the RP together with 6-7 L lenses and 3-4 more mainstream and less expensive lenses like the 24-240. Nikon’s move and/or Sony’s growth forced an early and rather incoherent timing, with the R cobbled together and whatever lenses were ready for production, the rest following in a haphazard way. This is of course pure speculation :)
On the other hand, I can't think of any example of Canon leading off a new initiative with a high end body. They didn't do it with the 350D and they didn't do it with the M line and they didn't introduce dual pixel at the top of the line either. Canon seems to like to have their stuff field tested before they roll out the really good stuff.
 

SwissFrank

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One does get the impression that Canon had to release the mirrorless new generation of bodies and lenses ahead of their preferred schedule, which would probably have happened end 2019 with a pro IBIS and the RP together with 6-7 L lenses and 3-4 more mainstream and less expensive lenses like the 24-240
I've reviewed the EF rollout and it was actually pretty much like this. 2-3 advanced and entry level bodies, THEN the pro body.

Things are actually LESS pressure to get a bunch of lenses out thx to the adapters. I'm using the R with a combination of RF, EF and even Leica rangefinder lenses and am a happy camper.
 

mk0x55

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I've seen websites saying the RF50/1.2 is the sharpest lens ever made, others saying the Leice APO-Summicron 50/2 or the Otus 55/1.4.

But I haven't found any site that's tested even two of the three, has anyone else here?
Well, I'm not aware of anyone having tested the RF 50/1.2 against anything else in a scientific manner. Also, one would need some specialized machine for it, digital cameras for which the lenses with their mounts are made don't allow for it really. Consider only the RF glass. Currently, one can pretty much only test it on the EOS R, but the EOS R has only a 30mp sensor with an AA filter in front of it (not the best for testing close to pixel-level sharpness). For a comparison with the Milvus, I'd ask for nothing less than the 5DsR from Canon or something similar from some other brand (e.g., Sony A7R2/3 if it was possible). Ideally a specialized highly precise machine for testing MTFs like Zeiss' K8 and K9.

Second, sharpness is not everything. There are a dozen other attributes of a lens that are desirable and often not less important. :)
 
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CanonFanBoy

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That’s going to be an amazing 3k lense to put on your RP ! Or maybe canon will come with a cheaper new model the « RPC » (really poor camera)to put even more expensive lenses ! How about a 9k lense on a 400Usd camera next time ! Genius strategy
Right up my ally, AvTvM, 4fun, mirage, proutprout, etc.
 
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Second, sharpness is not everything. There are a dozen other attributes of a lens that are desirable and often not less important. :)
If sharpness were as important as some make it... we could all just buy into the "awesome photo" crowd. Fortunately, great photos can be made with any lens, and by anybody. :) Sharpness be damned! ;)
 
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slclick

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I think it’s utter cr@p that great lens lenses are somehow a waste on lesser bodies... it’s not even close to be true..

Would I rather have the 200 f2 on the RP or an old 75-300 on a 1dx2? Easy...
I agree, if you do not think that glass is more important than the body you have another thing coming. Now true, having both excellent is double plus good.
 
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I hope the list is not reflecting the order in which the lenses will be released, as I am primarily interested in the 70-200 L and would love to have it for a trip in late August. Also no indication of an RF Extender 1.4x or 2x, which would complement that lens well.
Interesting, I've been looking every which way at the mirrorless line and never considered tele-extenders. This will be important. It will be a long time before RF lenses equal EF lenses. So do you get the adapter and use an EF tele-extender, get an RF tele-extender and wait for RF long telephotos, or put an RF telextender on, then an adapter and then a long EF lens? Curious possibilities.
 
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I think it’s utter cr@p that great lens lenses are somehow a waste on lesser bodies... it’s not even close to be true..

Would I rather have the 200 f2 on the RP or an old 75-300 on a 1dx2? Easy...
Unfortunately there's no escaping the fact that no quality of glass can make up for the little tiny pixels on an APS-C sensor. If you are planning on any cropping or enlarging, it will be come quite apparent. If you are using images SOOC, then it will matter a lot less. As you stretch out those little pixels, spaces appear in between and make a very soft picture. It isn't much and doesn't matter to most users, but to those who need it, you can't extract it out little pixels. The difference is a technicality to many, but in the purest form of a question an APS-C image is inferior to a full frame.
 

SwissFrank

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Well, I'm not aware of anyone having tested the RF 50/1.2 against anything else in a scientific manner.
To be clear I mean sites like dpreview.com, lensrental.com etc. that publish scientific ratings.

digital cameras for which the lenses with their mounts are made don't allow for it really. Consider only the RF glass. Currently, one can pretty much only test it on the EOS R
Most of the testing regimes don't use a camera at all, they use a purpose-built sensor in the test equipment.

Second, sharpness is not everything. There are a dozen other attributes of a lens that are desirable and often not less important.
Of course. I'd say bokeh might be the #1 appeal. And apodization filters may be the best way to get that, combined with center-to-corner round highlights. Apodization filters only give you the bokeh "amount" of a couple f-stops lower, too. So what might be interesting is a 100m f/1.0, that is made really cheaply and compactly, throwing sharpness out the window, but that is designed to have perfectly round highlights by f/1.4 or f/2.0. Then the filter knocks the perceived bokeh down to 100/2.8 levels or so... but it is PERFECT. That'd be a lens you'd recognize even in a 300x200 thumbnail is beautiful, even if it couldn't do more than 50% contrast at 30lpmm.
 
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Unfortunately there's no escaping the fact that no quality of glass can make up for the little tiny pixels on an APS-C sensor. If you are planning on any cropping or enlarging, it will be come quite apparent. If you are using images SOOC, then it will matter a lot less. As you stretch out those little pixels, spaces appear in between and make a very soft picture. It isn't much and doesn't matter to most users, but to those who need it, you can't extract it out little pixels. The difference is a technicality to many, but in the purest form of a question an APS-C image is inferior to a full frame.
Not arguing there, my point is simply that both the RP and the R are absolutely good enough for any RF glass planned or released.
 

CanonFanBoy

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Hmmmm.... RF 50mm f/1.2L, RF 85mm f/1.2L, RF 135mm f/1.2L? Will that be the "look what we can do" lens? (anywhere from 105mm -150mm would suit me fine)
 
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Del Paso

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That’s going to be an amazing 3k lense to put on your RP ! Or maybe canon will come with a cheaper new model the « RPC » (really poor camera)to put even more expensive lenses ! How about a 9k lense on a 400Usd camera next time ! Genius strategy
Canon should consult you with your deep knowledge of market-strategy next time...
What about waiting for the next bodies, instead of whining?
 
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Viggo

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Hmmmm.... RF 50mm f/1.2L, RF 85mm f/1.2L, RF 135mm f/1.2L? Will that be the "look what we can do" lens? (anywhere from 105mm -150mm would suit me fine)
100 f1.4 is at the top, top, of my list. Well, that and a Bron Para88:cool:
 

MayaTlab

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To be clear I mean sites like dpreview.com, lensrental.com etc. that publish scientific ratings.


Most of the testing regimes don't use a camera at all, they use a purpose-built sensor in the test equipment.



Of course. I'd say bokeh might be the #1 appeal. And apodization filters may be the best way to get that, combined with center-to-corner round highlights. Apodization filters only give you the bokeh "amount" of a couple f-stops lower, too. So what might be interesting is a 100m f/1.0, that is made really cheaply and compactly, throwing sharpness out the window, but that is designed to have perfectly round highlights by f/1.4 or f/2.0. Then the filter knocks the perceived bokeh down to 100/2.8 levels or so... but it is PERFECT. That'd be a lens you'd recognize even in a 300x200 thumbnail is beautiful, even if it couldn't do more than 50% contrast at 30lpmm.
The existence of a DS version makes me wonder though about the bokeh quality of the standard version. I'm worried that it might be too much on the "optically perfect" side of things, macro style - as I believe that it's the sort of design that benefits the most from apodization - while typically highly praised portrait lenses, such as the Nikon 105mm 1.4, tend to preserve some carefully tuned aberrations to enhance background blur and transitions, as this article illustrates (the 50 RF does the same in the centre wide open) : http://www.bokehtests.com/styled/

My little finger tells me that R users might have to choose between a very gaussian blur or a very flat, perfect blur, while some may prefer a lens that's kind of half-way between the two (as the 50 RF is).

Also, the apodized lenses we're seen so far tend to quickly loose their blur qualities as the lens is stopped down. The Nikon 58mm, for example, was specifically designed to keep a smooth, somewhat gaussian blur quality to background OOF areas even when significantly closed down.

IMO Apodization is interesting but may prove to be, even from Canon, a double edged sword.

Given the 50 RF, I'm also worried about vignetting and off-centre bokeh. We'll know soon enough I guess.
 
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slclick

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I guess my Tammy 85 SP will stop working on May 9th. (fwiw, very underrated lens, love this chunk)