Thank god I sold all my Canon gear! 2021, lol, seriously
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Just switch to Sony and be happy again.I would like a canon with sony specs...
First off, where did I quote “IBIS”?
Second of all, if you use Tony as a reliable source I’m out. Time and time again he’s just so off the mark it’s just sad.
When I have about 97 shots out of 100 in any given setting dead on sharp on the eyes no matter subject, light or situation how can that be significantly worse than anything? Sony’s are not always 100% hit, I’ve seen that a lot of times. I also see that people have a VERY different idea what critically sharp is, I’m the picky one.
All of these claims from Tony and others that don’t like the R is seriously fake news, or as likely, they haven’t used them enough to figure out how to get the optimal result. One example is DPReview that always leave a camera at default and then complain. Useless.
If the R doesn’t meet your needs or of someone doesn’t like it, fine, I have no problem with that. But when they lie to make that point I have a problem with that.
These people are nuts. They watch YouTube videos and then become experts concerning a product they have never even touched. My hit rate is so incredibly high I can hardly believe it. I know nothing about the 5D Mark IV (So I rightly keep my mouth shut about it), but my ex-5D Mark III could never come close to the R. Comparing an old M5 to the R just seems silly to me. Tony won "Sexiest Geek Alive" in 2000 (lol), but that doesn't mean he knows anything. I think the viewfinder is plenty fast and very high resolution. While IBIS would be cool, I've lived without it and without IS on many lenses (EF 35mm f/1.4L II, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II, EF 400mm f/5.6L, and over 40 MF vintage lenses.).First off, where did I quote “IBIS”?
Second of all, if you use Tony as a reliable source I’m out. Time and time again he’s just so off the mark it’s just sad.
When I have about 97 shots out of 100 in any given setting dead on sharp on the eyes no matter subject, light or situation how can that be significantly worse than anything? Sony’s are not always 100% hit, I’ve seen that a lot of times. I also see that people have a VERY different idea what critically sharp is, I’m the picky one.
All of these claims from Tony and others that don’t like the R is seriously fake news, or as likely, they haven’t used them enough to figure out how to get the optimal result. One example is DPReview that always leave a camera at default and then complain. Useless.
If the R doesn’t meet your needs or of someone doesn’t like it, fine, I have no problem with that. But when they lie to make that point I have a problem with that.
For reals. All he has to buy is the Sony body and adapt his EF glass.Just switch to Sony and be happy again.
I referred above, as I nearly always do, to the relative market shares for interchangeable lens cameras (“ILC market share”). Canon has maintained a ~49% share of the ILC market for the past few years, up from ~48% a few years ago, up from ~44% a decade ago. Canon’s ILC market share is relatively simple to estimate, since Canon publishes their unit sales data with their financials and CIPA publishes production and shipment data for the ILC market as a whole (I use ‘estimate’ because units sold are not identical to units produced/shipped, but they are likely to be approximately equivalent).
You are referring to and citing articles discussing digital camera market share, i.e. ILCs and compact cameras (aka point-and-shoot) combined. Given the nature of our discussions on this forum in general and my points in particular, considering the P&S market (which is essentially losing out to smartphones) is not logical. More importantly, I explicitly (and repeatedly) stated above, “ILC market share,” rendering your statements based on total digital camera market share tangential and useless as counterarguments. Ironic that you accuse me of intellectual dishonestly when it is, in fact, you being intellectually dishonest.
I’m sorry that you either don’t comprehend the terminology relevant to the discussion or are simply unable to read properly, but either way that’s really your problem, not mine.
Yup, normal because you think features in a camera body will improve your photographs. They won't.I think, to be fair, its only natural that when we who have invested heavily in Canon equipment, and love it, cannot help but be very envious when we see that Sony are bringing out features which would improve our photographs and our experience of taking them.
IBIS
Eye detect - even in continuous focus mode
Stunning 5 megapixel, low latency EVF
showing exposure before taking the shot
allowing the user see the photograph just taken even in bright sunlight
I for one would love those features and it *hurts* that I'm going to have to wait for maybe 2 or 3 years until they are built into a Canon camera which is the same price as a 5D4 retails for today.
So, its only natural that people groan ... I'm with the groaners .. because I'm normal
These people are nuts. They watch YouTube videos and then become experts concerning a product they have never even touched. My hit rate is so incredibly high I can hardly believe it. I know nothing about the 5D Mark IV (So I rightly keep my mouth shut about it), but my ex-5D Mark III could never come close to the R. Comparing an old M5 to the R just seems silly to me. Tony won "Sexiest Geek Alive" in 2000 (lol), but that doesn't mean he knows anything. I think the viewfinder is plenty fast and very high resolution. While IBIS would be cool, I've lived without it and without IS on many lenses (EF 35mm f/1.4L II, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II, EF 400mm f/5.6L, and over 40 MF vintage lenses.).
Viggo, I knew the R didn't have IBIS when I bought it. You did too. We decided to buy anyway. That was our decision, and from what I gather, we are happy as Larks. It amazes me that people watch YouTube and are then experts. Really, the cad should just go buy the Sony he really wants.. Either way, he won't be any better a photographer no matter what feature is or is not in a camera. If his 5D Mark IV is so great, then why is he even arguing against the R to begin with? Hmmmm... maybe he looks at spec sheets and sees where the R beats the 5D Mark IV in so many categories and costs far less? Does the 5D Mark IV have IBIS?
Canon R vs Canon 5D MIV Detailed Comparison
Read our detailed comparison of the Canon EOS R vs Canon EOS 5D Mark IV to find out their strengths and weaknesses, and decide which one to choose.cameradecision.com
Yeah I tried that also the result is I'm now selling a 400 f2.8 IS II cause it tracks like shite with the MC11. I got tired of Canon always behind with the bodies eventually sold everything and now happier than ever. Maybe if I was a professional sports shooter I would have kept my 1Dx MII simply for durability but the thing is a tank and is not practical to carry around.For reals. All he has to buy is the Sony body and adapt his EF glass.
Well I beg to differYup, normal because you think features in a camera body will improve your photographs. They won't.
I am also a hobbyist with very limited funds. Dustin Abbott is the greatest, in my opinion. However, I worked today with a guy that went from Canon to Sony. He adapted his EF glass. Now he's switching back to the R. My point was that no camera will make our photos better. You should go down to the local shop and see whether you like the feel of the Sony in your hands and see if you can live with that, their abysmal service, and horrible menus.i am a hobbyist not a professional and a hobby which is only 4 years old at that
Whilst im sure professionals have no need to rely on advice - those of us with little experience really value the advice and information we get from internet reviews and tutorials
I follow people line Tony Northrup, Thomas Heaton, Dustin Abbot and Jared Polin and believe all of them to be honourable people with integrity and experience upon which I can rely. Rarely do they dramatically disagree with each other which lends credibility.
My point is simple - that Sony are clearly ahead of Canon and have features which I would like to have
As much as im tempted to buy a Sony body im not at all convinced that adapting my EF glass is an ideal solution and I don't have the financial resources to switch to Sony glass
So I have to wait until Canon catch up
Perhaps I am being over cautious and the R is a wonderful camera but is there anyone out there who has tested the A7R 3 and 4 against the Eos R and is seriously saying the EOS R has eye AF which is just as good ? Or a comparable viewfinder ?
And I would very very much like IBIS for my primes in low light
Calm down ... It's just one man's opinion about why im waiting and frustrated - no need to let your personality become monstrous !
Well, I own an R. The AF is spectacular. You don't own an R and neither does Tony. Who's narrow minded? Wow.Well I beg to differ
Welcome to the modern world of autofocus
In the real world most people use auto focus
And if one camera nails the focus and another fails then im confident that the first camera will take better pictures
No matter how great the subject and composition it's very disappointed to find that just when your model/wife/son/daughter had a lovely smile on their face the camera missed focus
Honestly I do wonder sometimes why people are so narrow minded
Well I beg to differ
Welcome to the modern world of autofocus
In the real world most people use auto focus
And if one camera nails the focus and another fails then im confident that the first camera will take better pictures
No matter how great the subject and composition it's very disappointed to find that just when your model/wife/son/daughter had a lovely smile on their face the camera missed focus
Honestly I do wonder sometimes why people are so narrow minded
Well, I own an R. The AF is spectacular. You don't own an R and neither does Tony. Who's narrow minded? Wow.
How does IBIS lower noise?I might add that IBIS results in less noise in low light hand held situations too ...
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How does IBIS lower noise?
I see what you are getting at.Correct me if im wrong but if im taking a picture indoors with a wide open aperture then IBIS will allow the shutter to open for longer and more photons will arrive at the sensor as a result, thus requiring less signal amplification (ISO) and hence less noise
Obviously it is conditional on my subject remaining still
I haven't actually used a camera with IBIS but I find the lens stabilization on my relatively new Canon EF 85 1.4L IS has allowed me to take pictures with significantly longer exposure times and I've been very happy with the images ... I have sigma 50mm and 135mm art lenses and would love to be able to benefit from IBIS stabilization in the same way
The capture of moving subjects looks a significant improvement. The shots had the focus square already focussed in advance of where the bike was going to appear. Would it work without that pre-focussing and all the focal points active?
The AF is getting updated on the R in September, the 'before' in this video shows how its not necessarily 'spectacular' but its also of course trying to show the improvement is as big as possible.
There have been a few updates regarding AF, so any comments by anyone should be checked for dates to see how relevant they are now.