Canon working on another f/2 zoom lens for the RF mount [CR1]

Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
8
Translated: "I have nothing. I just said it because I thought it would make me sound smart. Just made it up. Don't really know what I am talking about, at all... so I cannot explain myself. I've never actually seen an R or RF lens. I read reviews and watch YouTube videos. Then I just recycle what I have "learned" through vicarious living as first hand knowledge on internet forums. Somebody asked me what I meant, but even I don't know so I will now accuse the guy asking of being too stupid to understand what I say even if I could possibly explain it to him... even though I can't explain it... because I have no idea what I meant."
Don’t misunderstand me, I do like my EOS R, vertical grip, RF 24-105, RF 50mm 1.2 and RF 85mm 1.2, also I have used the 28-70 but found it just a tad to big so I got the 24-105 instead, sorry but by the way you were talking just just assumed you didn’t own any of those products so I didn’t think you would understand any points I might try and make about them. So sorry about that, how do you find your Eos R and RF lenses? You don’t find the body to small to comfortably hold it for any length of time with the heavy lenses? You don’t think when Canon releases a larger more sturdy pro body it will be a lot more comfortable to hold with the big glass?
Do you find the 30 megapixel sensor is getting all the quality out of the new L glass that they can produce? Do you not think a higher megapixel body might be able to show the full potential of these extremely high quality and extremely expensive new L lenses better than the EOS R? I mean if you don’t find this to be your experience with the new R system that’s fair it’s just the the people I know with the same gear all feel the same way and that is when a new higher megapixel professional body comes out then they will be able to get the full potential out of their RF Pro Glass which they and I spent so much money on.
 

Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
8
Interesting. People have used L lenses for 10s of years on 10s of Canon bodies which are actually inferior to Eos R. Then millions of photographers have been tricked :)
No of course they weren’t tricked they just didn’t have RF L glass which is far superior to the equivalent EF glass and much larger and heavier in some cases. Trust me if they had brought the new RF L Glass which is a huge investment for most people they would want a body that could use them to their full potential other wise why even buy these new lenses if you didn’t intend to get the most out of them as soon as that is possible? It would just be a waste of money unless you brought them just to brag that you have them.
 

ozturert

EOS T7i
Jan 16, 2019
86
68
No of course they weren’t tricked they just didn’t have RF L glass which is far superior to the equivalent EF glass and much larger and heavier in some cases. Trust me if they had brought the new RF L Glass which is a huge investment for most people they would want a body that could use them to their full potential other wise why even buy these new lenses if you didn’t intend to get the most out of them as soon as that is possible? It would just be a waste of money unless you brought them just to brag that you have them.
What do you mean by "full potential"? EOS R has the best single AF in Canon history; far better than any DSLR before it. The 30MP sensor is the best sensor Canon has. Its weather sealing is as good as 5D IV. Its ergonomy is great and the body is solid.
So what is holding EOS R to be used as the camera with RF 50mm f1.2L, for example?
 
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Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
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What do you mean by "full potential"? EOS R has the best single AF in Canon history; far better than any DSLR before it. The 30MP sensor is the best sensor Canon has. Its weather sealing is as good as 5D IV. Its ergonomy is great and the body is solid.
So what is holding EOS R to be used as the camera with RF 50mm f1.2L, for example?
Of course any RF lens can be used with the EOS R and get great results. But don’t you think that Canon is going to release a more professional body with even better autofocus and ergonomics for large heavy lenses? To be honest it’s a rhetorical question because of course they are so I’m kinda finding it hard to see the point you are trying to make?
 

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,495
1,094
Irving, Texas
Of course any RF lens can be used with the EOS R and get great results. But don’t you think that Canon is going to release a more professional body with even better autofocus and ergonomics for large heavy lenses? To be honest it’s a rhetorical question because of course they are so I’m kinda finding it hard to see the point you are trying to make?
The point you were originally trying to make is that an R or RP are not worthy of the RF glass (with zero evidence). Then, you concocted a way to make it sound as though you actually do own all this (your many like minded friends too). My point was that you know not that of which you speak, and you don't.

Maybe you do own it all (along with your many friends). Who cares? That has no bearing on such a ludicrous statement.
 
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koenkooi

EOS RP
Feb 25, 2015
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Of course any RF lens can be used with the EOS R and get great results. But don’t you think that Canon is going to release a more professional body with even better autofocus and ergonomics for large heavy lenses? To be honest it’s a rhetorical question because of course they are so I’m kinda finding it hard to see the point you are trying to make?
With that attitude you can never be happy: "What if there's a better model in the future?!?!?! All my current pictures will be crap compared to those!!!!"
 
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Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
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The point you were originally trying to make is that an R or RP are not worthy of the RF glass (with zero evidence). Then, you concocted a way to make it sound as though you actually do own all this (your many like minded friends too). My point was that you know not that of which you speak, and you don't.

Maybe you do own it all (along with your many friends). Who cares? That has no bearing on such a ludicrous statement.
Dude get a grip, you gave a Unprovoked smart arse reply to one of my posts then you have been destroyed and your ignorance and arrogance has been put on display for everybody to see. I have the experience and the gear and would not comment unless I did, but I don’t like to go on about that in every post I make just to prove a point to the ignorant or to throw it in the face of photographers who can’t yet afford such gear or don’t yet have the experience because I was in the same boat for many years. Weak forum bullies like yourself need to learn when to give up especially if they are really really losing a battle it certainly doesn’t benefit your credibility on here to keep replying with you ignorant BS.
 
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Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
8
With that attitude you can never be happy: "What if there's a better model in the future?!?!?! All my current pictures will be crap compared to those!!!!"
Dude I’m gonna stop this conversation now, I really don’t care about all the insecurities you have that you are trying to project onto me and if you are someone who feels insecure or threatened by a discussion on camera gear then start ranting nonsense I just can’t be bothered continuing the conversation. Of course unless I find it amusing but to reply anymore to you would just be sad.
 

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,495
1,094
Irving, Texas
Dude get a grip, you gave a Unprovoked smart arse reply to one of my posts then you have been destroyed and your ignorance and arrogance has been put on display for everybody to see. I have the experience and the gear and would not comment unless I did, but I don’t like to go on about that in every post I make just to prove a point to the ignorant or to throw it in the face of photographers who can’t yet afford such gear or don’t yet have the experience because I was in the same boat for many years. Weak forum bullies like yourself need to learn when to give up especially if they are really really losing a battle it certainly doesn’t benefit your credibility on here to keep replying with you ignorant BS.
My misunderstanding (and utter confusion) was about your original quote: "That the RF lenses were too good for the present cameras." (very well paraphrased) I asked you to please explain. You haven't, because you cannot. You were simply bloviating. You have nothing to back up your statement, except more bloviating. It wasn't a smart ass reply to you. It was wondering what the heck you were getting at and going on about. The answer? Nothing. Around here (Texas) we call that, "All hat and no cattle." The very definition of a "dude". Dude: The word was first used in the late 1800s as a term of mockery for young men who were overly concerned with keeping up with the latest fashions. It later came to stand for clueless city folk (who go to dude ranches) before it morphed into our all-purpose laid-back label for a guy. You fit the older definition just fine, dude.
 
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Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
8
My misunderstanding (and utter confusion) was about your original quote: "That the RF lenses were too good for the present cameras." (very well paraphrased) I asked you to please explain. You haven't, because you cannot. You were simply bloviating. You have nothing to back up your statement, except more bloviating. It wasn't a smart ass reply to you. It was wondering what the heck you were getting at and going on about. The answer? Nothing. Around here (Texas) we call that, "All hat and no cattle." The very definition of a "dude". Dude: The word was first used in the late 1800s as a term of mockery for young men who were overly concerned with keeping up with the latest fashions. It later came to stand for clueless city folk (who go to dude ranches) before it morphed into our all-purpose laid-back label for a guy. You fit the older definition just fine, dude.
Sorry son but with your last reply you have just made it so easy now it would be irresponsible of me to keep punching down. Also no challenge and boring.
 

Phil

EOS R
Oct 17, 2018
15
8
Like I said... you got nuthin'.
I gotta admit your history lesson on the word dude and how you dress cows in hats is priceless and will make me chuckle for quite some time. But I can see you are a last word Larry so this conversation won’t end in a hurry unless I finish it and like I’ve already done with you that’s what I’m about to do.
 

SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
1,063
150
What do you mean by "full potential"? EOS R has the best single AF in Canon history; far better than any DSLR before it. The 30MP sensor is the best sensor Canon has. Its weather sealing is as good as 5D IV. Its ergonomy is great and the body is solid.
So what is holding EOS R to be used as the camera with RF 50mm f1.2L, for example?
Unfortunately, you are incorrect.


Speaking of the Sony A7RIII, it’s taken a bit of internet trashing for its lack of weather sealing. Throw no stones from your glass house, oh Canon shooters. The Canon EOS-R is just about the same; well-sealed buttons and dials, not much else. That means, I think, that it will be fine in a misty rain for a while, but don’t get it saturated and don’t set it somewhere wet.
You can make an argument that tightly fitted plastic shells are good weather sealing. Then again, you can argue that weather sealing means waterproof. Lots of people do that on the way to finding out the warranty doesn’t cover water damage.
The Canon EOS-R sells currently for $2299. It’s very close in build quality and weather sealing to the Canon 6D II which sells for about $1600.
 

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,495
1,094
Irving, Texas
I gotta admit your history lesson on the word dude and how you dress cows in hats is priceless and will make me chuckle for quite some time. But I can see you are a last word Larry so this conversation won’t end in a hurry unless I finish it and like I’ve already done with you that’s what I’m about to do.
All ya gotta do is explain how the R and RP are not good enough for the current RF lenses. That's the claim you made, Laurentius (Larry). As expected, you have zero data to back it up. Just bloviating an opinion with no facts. Instead, you resorted to attacks (That I couldn't possibly understand your explanation of your claim.), the usual hiding place for those who can't substantiate claims they just made up out of thin air. All the FF cameras Canon has made are fine with "L" lenses. So are many of the ASP-C cameras. Yet, somehow, you believe now that the current crop of RF "L" lenses are far too supercharged for the R and RP. Then you claim the lenses will perform far better on the next two camera releases, also with zero evidence. Since you are new here, I should warn you: Baseless claims are always challenged around here. Skin too thin for that? Tough. There are several learned members on this forum who see no advantage of close flange distance for these lenses. Do you really think a higher $ camera is going to fix that? Vignetting (which I love) is still a big issue.

So please, educate us cretins with your vast knowledge as to why the R/RP are not up to the task when mounted to the current crop of RF mount lenses. My bet is that you won't, because you can't. You'll claim that the next camera releases will do a better job with the lenses. Something that is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know.

BTW: "All hat and no cattle" has nothing to do with putting headgear on steers. Here is the definition for you:
"Description of a person that is all talk and no substance; full of big talk but lacking action; a person who cannot back up his/her words; a fake; a pretender.
That guy is all hat, no cattle. Pay no attention to him.
#poser#fake#pretender#imposter

Yup, perfecto mundo!

You had an opinion, you represented it as fact... as though you have some special knowledge. I can respect an opinion, easily. But making up "facts" is just plain boorish. There is a vast difference between an opinion and a fact. You're welcome.
 
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CanonFanBoy

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With that attitude you can never be happy: "What if there's a better model in the future?!?!?! All my current pictures will be crap compared to those!!!!"
Yes, but with the "right camera" his skills will vastly improve. He just needs the right camera to match his lenses. Of course, he might then start screaming, "SONY!"
 
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ozturert

EOS T7i
Jan 16, 2019
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Unfortunately, you are incorrect.


Speaking of the Sony A7RIII, it’s taken a bit of internet trashing for its lack of weather sealing. Throw no stones from your glass house, oh Canon shooters. The Canon EOS-R is just about the same; well-sealed buttons and dials, not much else. That means, I think, that it will be fine in a misty rain for a while, but don’t get it saturated and don’t set it somewhere wet.
You can make an argument that tightly fitted plastic shells are good weather sealing. Then again, you can argue that weather sealing means waterproof. Lots of people do that on the way to finding out the warranty doesn’t cover water damage.
The Canon EOS-R sells currently for $2299. It’s very close in build quality and weather sealing to the Canon 6D II which sells for about $1600.
Fortunately I am correct:

And see:
 

SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
1,063
150
Fortunately I am correct:

And see:
Lens Rentals have the Canon R camera disassembled to bits whereis the imagine resource looked at some elements.
We don't currently disassemble the cameras we test, so we can only comment on the weather seals that are visible when you open the various compartments and peel back the port covers.
Uncle Rog is a trustworthy source of information. He pointed out that:
... there’s weather sealing below each of the top dials. ... the rest of the body depends on a plastic overlap to keep stuff out, there are no gaskets..
and

There is a nice thick weather seal under the diopter adjustment knob. For those who want to skip ahead, the knobs and dials are all weather sealed nicely, but not much else. As long as it only rains on your knobs and dials, though, you should be fine.
Canon R was not water torture tested in the second link you have provided. Sony A7R III weather resistance level is very basic if not poor.

My point is : Canon R weather resistance is on par with Canon 6D II, not with 5D IV. but each to his own..
 
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SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
1,063
150
I have a hard time to visualize the rain based on the numbers in the article. Does a video exist somewhere of the actual rain on the camera for the test? Would love to see that.
I found a 15 mm per hour example on youtube. that is x1.5 heavier than 10mm / hour of course.

 
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ozturert

EOS T7i
Jan 16, 2019
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Lens Rentals have the Canon R camera disassembled to bits whereis the imagine resource looked at some elements.


Uncle Rog is a trustworthy source of information. He pointed out that:

and



Canon R was not water torture tested in the second link you have provided. Sony A7R III weather resistance level is very basic if not poor.

My point is : Canon R weather resistance is on par with Canon 6D II, not with 5D IV. but each to his own..
Imaging Resource tested EOS R under huge rain, and it passed the test with flying colours and A7R III failed (in the other test I gave). That's what matters for me.