Cue the head spinning, The Canon EOS-1D X Mark III to be 20.1mp? [CR1]

GoldWing

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Honestly, how many events per year still have multiple major agencies there with multiple shooters and trucks/runners? Things aren't what they once were in that market.
I've done four for 2019 so far and for 2020 will do many more because of Tokyo. I could do more if I wanted to but got hit by an athlete and lost two months work in July and Aug. Teams, Magazines, Agencies, Athletes, Sponsors all still pay for quality work and pay well.
 

gsealy

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I've done four for 2019 so far and for 2020 will do many more because of Tokyo. I could do more if I wanted to but got hit by an athlete and lost two months work in July and Aug. Teams, Magazines, Agencies, Athletes, Sponsors all still pay for quality work and pay well.
Awesome. I have seen your compatriots work at big time golf tournaments. They never stop moving as the group they are following play the hole. It's a tough job walking over whatever the terrain is and keeping up taking photos. One day in Tucson the weather was atrocious with the temps in the low 40's and freezing rain. But there they were firing away with Canon 1d's.
 
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Architect1776

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Canon needs a 30mp sensor minimum to really set it apart from the crowd.
It also must perform at the top tier in all aspects as well.
No more playing second fiddle. Yes, they are good and dependable. But they currently seem to be falling into the F-1 syndrome, good well built but not superior in all aspects to knock the competition out as the EOS system with the EF mount did 30+ years ago.
 
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If this rumour is true (and I kind of think that it isn't), then there's not a lot of difference between a mkI / mkII or a mkIII. Sure a few Mp and a few fps...but that's not a whole lot of gain for what 5 years of development. It's true that there's not a lot of competition in the sports pro market, the Nikon offering seem to anger Nikon users regularly and the 1Dx is a stable platform. It seems bizarre that Canon would want to hinder the 1DxIII when it's likely to be the last 1Dx before mirrorless becomes a serious contender. Why not leave on a high like the 5DV is likely to be doing?
Sure I hear all the media types saying they they don't want a 30mp 16fps camera due to bandwidth etc etc...but that's one niche. This is what happens when Canon try to condense all pros into one unified body. That's why we had a 1D and 1Ds series before and it's why the 5D got up specced to a pro body camera.
 

SecureGSM

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You can be rest assured that Canon Execs aren’t idiots. They absolutely going to make you wanting this camera and they know what it takes to get your Juices flow. ;)
 
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privatebydesign

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Canon needs a 30mp sensor minimum to really set it apart from the crowd.
It also must perform at the top tier in all aspects as well.
No more playing second fiddle. Yes, they are good and dependable. But they currently seem to be falling into the F-1 syndrome, good well built but not superior in all aspects to knock the competition out as the EOS system with the EF mount did 30+ years ago.
Except Canon are the camera manufacturing leaders by a long way, so surely it is the others that need to set themselves apart and stop playing second fiddle.

As leaders they do not need to set themselves apart, they arrived at the position they did because of their conservative approach and constant behind the scenes research and development while maintaining a very keen eye on controlling costs.
 
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Except Canon are the camera manufacturing leaders by a long way, so surely it is the others that need to set themselves apart and stop playing second fiddle.

As leaders they do not need to set themselves apart, they arrived at the position they did because of their conservative approach and constant behind the scenes research and development while maintaining a very keen eye on controlling costs.
My concern is becoming too conservative. As I mentioned they developed the EOS system and yes were the last into a real AF system and it was stunning crushing the competition for 30 years. Now 30 years later this RF mount is another opportunity to leap ahead by another 30 years.
 

privatebydesign

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If this rumour is true (and I kind of think that it isn't), then there's not a lot of difference between a mkI / mkII or a mkIII. Sure a few Mp and a few fps...but that's not a whole lot of gain for what 5 years of development. It's true that there's not a lot of competition in the sports pro market, the Nikon offering seem to anger Nikon users regularly and the 1Dx is a stable platform. It seems bizarre that Canon would want to hinder the 1DxIII when it's likely to be the last 1Dx before mirrorless becomes a serious contender. Why not leave on a high like the 5DV is likely to be doing?
Sure I hear all the media types saying they they don't want a 30mp 16fps camera due to bandwidth etc etc...but that's one niche. This is what happens when Canon try to condense all pros into one unified body. That's why we had a 1D and 1Ds series before and it's why the 5D got up specced to a pro body camera.
That’s the big lie behind Canon generational upgrades when you look mainly at spec sheets. When you actually use the cameras those small spec sheet differences add up to a noticeably 'better’ package. Take a look at the 6D and 6D MkII owners vs reviewers, I didn’t see a positive review of the MkII until we started getting MkI owner reviews, turns out DR isn't everything even back then when it lacked current sensors, every 5 series camera cycle has been criticized in early reviews as being too little too late. Same with the 1DX I to II, yet owners love their upgrades in the long run almost without exception.

Also don’t forget the DSLR is a very mature technology, other than details like illuminated buttons etc what is there to do, any move to include hybrid tech viewfinders is going to alienate the core market, die hard SLR buyers. sensor efficiency and readout speeds are approaching physical limits.

We had a 1D and 1DS series previously because the full frame sensor was very expensive and inefficient to produce, also readout and buffering speeds were limited by the available technology of the time. Canon have decided only the low resolution pro sports and wire service providing photographers need the durability of the 1 series body, the people previously served by the 1DS series now have to choose between durability and resolution. For my uses I choose durability though I would love an 80mp 1 series, but I appreciate my market (the actual purchasers rather than the forum warriors who say they would) is to small to cater to.
 

Michael Clark

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I've done four for 2019 so far and for 2020 will do many more because of Tokyo. I could do more if I wanted to but got hit by an athlete and lost two months work in July and Aug. Teams, Magazines, Agencies, Athletes, Sponsors all still pay for quality work and pay well.
Yeah, but those used to be a weekly occurrence at multiple NFL games, NCAAF games, NBA games, MLB games, etc.
 

GoldWing

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Yeah, but those used to be a weekly occurrence at multiple NFL games, NCAAF games, NBA games, MLB games, etc.
Yes I'm semi retired and lucky I can work when I want to. I've mentored two very talented photographers and have them both working fulltime on the East and Westcoast with plans for another to be based in South Florida to also cover the Caribbean and LATAM for a lot of watersports too.

We all agree that a 30MP 1DXMKIII would allow for a lot of latitude when a crop is involved and that's very often.
 

tpatana

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Yes I'm semi retired and lucky I can work when I want to. I've mentored two very talented photographers and have them both working fulltime on the East and Westcoast with plans for another to be based in South Florida to also cover the Caribbean and LATAM for a lot of watersports too.

We all agree that a 30MP 1DXMKIII would allow for a lot of latitude when a crop is involved and that's very often.
That's awesome. I have my eye on getting to cover MLS/NFL in Seattle, but it's not that easy it seems. I already cover my (niche) sport pretty good, tough to really say but I think I'm quite at the top in the world for active shooters on that. Covered last two Worlds pretty good, and I'm already planning for the next one in Paris in 2021. Next summer US nationals for sure too, plus all the local(-ish) competitions. Biggest question for me is if I'm buying 1DX3 before or after the nationals. Most likely before.

But getting MLS/NFL action would be fun too as that's different from my sports, I always love to try new things to see if I like it or not. One time I got ring-side at cage-fighting event. Got plenty decent pictures although didn't really enjoy the sports enough to go again. If any of your photographers need second shooter at Seattle events, feel free to ping me.
 
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Alino

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Here is a crude copy of what is write in the PhotoPlus UK magazine issue 159 december 2019.

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CANON has officially announced its new flagship pro camera, the Canon EOS-lD X Mark III is in developrnent - and it boosts a new AF sensor with 28 times the résolution of its predecesor, a new Dîgîc processor. AF deep Learning algorithm, 4K 60fps video. 20fps stills shooting, CFexpress storage and "hybrid" mirrorless qualities.
The EOS-1D X Mark III celebrates 30 years os the EOS-1 series by caturing some of the most advanced technology ever seen in a Canon camera. Proudly proclamed as, "The ultimate camera for sports and wildlife" that ushers in "A new era of AF speed ans accuracy", the 1D X Mark III's headline feature is undoubtedly its autofocus parformance. It feature brand new AF sensor with 28 times the resolution of the Mark II - which already has an acurate 360 000 pixel RGB-IR sensor.
Combined with the bleeding-edge AF deep learning algotithm, it promises truly performance!; "This is an autofocus system we haven't seen before", David Parry, Canon UK's product intelligence specialist told us. This is something very new, very different. "An all new Digic processor will also create the necessary horsepower for 4K, 60fps, with 10 bit HEIF (High Efficiency Image File) image file it produces - yes, Canon is abandoning JPEGs!
The 1D X Mark III will also have SD and CompactFlash cards for cutting edge.
CFexpress memory ( witch it needs when handling internal Raw 4K 10 bit video and ridiculus bursts of image.
The bustering continuous shooting specs exploit the strengths of both mirrorless ans DSLR capabilities at 20 frames per second with AF and AE when shooting in Live View mode (via mechanical or electronic shutter), and 16 frames when using the completely lag free optical viewfinder: "You can use it like a DSLR or use it like a mirrortless. It realy does feel like that". Perry told us."

I don't know if it was reported yet.
 

tpatana

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horsepower for 4K, 60fps, with 10 bit HEIF (High Efficiency Image File) image file it produces - yes, Canon is abandoning JPEGs!
Why they compare it to jpeg? Is it less quality than raw then?

The 1D X Mark III will also have SD and CompactFlash cards for cutting edge.
CFexpress memory ( witch it needs when handling internal Raw 4K 10 bit video and ridiculus bursts of image.
3 slots? SD/CF/CFX? Tough to believe...
 

Alino

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My bad, the text is:

The 1D X Mark III will also eschew SD and CompactFlash cards for cutting edge CFexpress memory ( witch it needs when handling internal Raw 4K 10 bit video and ridiculus bursts of image.
 

SecureGSM

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I am pretty sure Canon is NOT abandoning JPEG. Please correct that. HEIF will be offered as an alternative along with JPEG and RAW.
This has been mentioned is in the Canon’s recent DPR interview.
 
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Joules

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I don't know if it was reported yet.
Yes, except for the quote saying the new AF system will differ from previous ones, this information and more can be found on the official Canon announcement:


I also think the article got something wrong, as HEIF being a replacement for JPEG seems silly and not mentioned elsewhere.
 

SecureGSM

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This is what is reported!


Please read line in bold below. Emphasis is mine.

Canon EOS-1D X Mark III - key specifications (what we know so far):

All-new CMOS sensor
Dual-pixel 525-point CMOS AF with 90/100% coverage horizontally and vertically
New Digic Processor
10-bit HEIF file capture (in addition to JPEG and Raw)
Max 16fps capture via viewfinder, and 20fps in live view (with AF)
Dual CF Express card slots
10-bit, 4:2:2 4K/60 video with C-Log
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