DPReview: Canon EOS R first impressions with Chris and Rishi

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
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So is the next one out the gate an Rx, as in prescription?;) Funny, I'm not feeling let down by Canon, only financially challenged thinking about future GAS.

Jack
+1
I was seriously contemplating getting a A73 to see what all the fuss is about but thought I would wait to see what the R looked like.
My reasons for the Sony were really two fold - dynamic range and eye AF. he new R has what looks like the 5DIV sensor and it has eye AF. And I will be able to use my existing lenses without spending a few hundred more on the Metabones.
In a weird way knowing that Canon has released the R has calmed my GAS for a bit - I just need to wait for the reviews :)
 
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drama

I'm New Here
Sep 1, 2016
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I did enjoy playing tech-spec-size-Queen bingo today as the system was announced. It’s now *very* trendy for people who read reviews and who don’t actually understand what they’re shooting on to cry “But one card slot! Muh IBIS! Where is 4K 60FPS?” I greatly suspect many of them will end up buying the system anyway. Lens stabilisation has always been Canon’s priority. Have you tried to run lens and body stabilisation together? It’s gross. Both have strengths, and Canon has very clearly made the EOS R about the glass not the bodies.

Fair enough that for some, perhaps wedding photographers, 1080@120fps is very nice to have. Sony have you covered there. Canon have done their diligence here and launched the start of a first-in-class range of glass. And for camera manufacturers, that’s always been the money. The body just has to be good enough - and again, this has always been something Canon excelled at.

And to those who would argue, let’s wait for the first quarter sales results, shall we?
 
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Mac Duderson

EOS T7i
Apr 21, 2015
73
2
MAN!! I'm so bumbed about this camera and I'm usually positive when everyone is negative about a camera release. :p
But the only 3 things I want Canon didn't do in this camera and EVERYONE else is.
IBIS - WHY Canon!? Why can't you do it. Even Nikon's lowest body has it!!
1080 @ 120fps - WHY?? :(:(:(
I have been waiting for years for these 2 things. If this camera came out with the same specs as Nikon's Z6 I was going to sell my 5D3 and buy one of these.
Now I don't know what to do. My buddies went Sony a while ago and been bugging me to go Sony because they said Canon won't produce.
Guess they were right. F! :mad:
 

drama

I'm New Here
Sep 1, 2016
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IBIS - WHY Canon!? Why can't you do it. Even Nikon's lowest body has it!!
Canon have always stabilised glass. Why would they change that when it makes their lenses best in class?

1080 @ 120fps - WHY?? :(:(:(
Next to no-one needs it. Plus cinema range protection.

Now I don't know what to do. My buddies went Sony a while ago and been bugging me to go Sony because they said Canon won't produce.
Guess they were right. F! :mad:
Sounds like you should buy a Sony.
Bet you don’t though.
 

Yasko

EOS 80D
Jun 9, 2017
112
18
Still need to pay 3K+ for more than 1 Card Slot in FF :(.
Thought about trying out paid photography with my 6D mk II and my 3K+ investment in glass, but yet I lack redundancy. But I can‘t pay so much for a camera just for that extra slot and a few (no doubt) nice addons that I don‘t really need.

However, the camera looks really nice.
 

RayValdez360

EOS RP
Jun 6, 2012
337
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Alternative reading: Canon has looked at the competition and does not think those functions are critical.

Let's jump forward to 2022 (your scenario): Canon has uncropped 4k, 4k at 60p, 180p 120fps.
Where will the competitoin go: 4k at 90fps? 180p at 160 fps? My guess is those 'advances' will mean something to a few specialist photographers and will mean zip to the general public and you are well into the law of diminishing returns. How is that going to hurt Canon?
Another alternative reading: Canon’s current 30MP full frame imaging chip isn’t capable of 4K full sensor readout and they thought that the kind of people who moan about this are also the same people who wouldn’t be willing to put up an extra $1000 on the price to cover the R&D for a brand new sensor design.
Seeing that I have a c100 and a c200 and a 5div and 5dsr and 5diii. I would put out a lot of money for more features , better image quality, and most of all , have them in a nice convenient package if possible. If you work a lot like me you get tired of lugging around a bunch of different cameras because of the extremely inconvenient segmentation Canon has implemented in order to get the best images. This camera is a step forward but I just think it is a too late for such features. Lets worry about ourselves. the consumers. They have billions we don't. Canon reminds me of Nintendo during the n64 era. They just do things their way while Sony (coincidence), went into a more advanced direction. Nintendo fans defended everything Nintendo said and did like keeping cartridges over discs, then when they switched to discs the same fanboys praised them again even though like 6 years ago they hated cd-rom.
 
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Mac Duderson

EOS T7i
Apr 21, 2015
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Canon have always stabilised glass. Why would they change that when it makes their lenses best in class?



Next to no-one needs it. Plus cinema range protection.



Sounds like you should buy a Sony.
Bet you don’t though.
I have to do something eventually because I need better stabilization. Yes Canon has amazing lenses but that doesn't help with stabilizing. I shoot 35 1.4ii, 50 1.2L, 85 1.2ii, 105 1.4 for weddings and commercial video with glidecam's and now DJI's Ronin-S but all this could be AMAZING with IBIS.
For me gear is gear and I don't mind going to Sony or Nikon but I use to shoot Nikon in the past and jumped because their Color wasn't my style. I LOVE Canon's color for my style so I desperately wanted a Canon release to work.
I'm really looking at the Z6 sadly.. It does everything I need for practical work.
 

RayValdez360

EOS RP
Jun 6, 2012
337
116
Funny, I was doing some video of classic cars and the shiny grills displayed kind of weird, which I assume would be even worse without the filter (I'm new to video). Likewise I've shot Cedar waxwings and strange patterns seem to appear in their feathers, again, I believe this would be worse with no AA filter. So, maybe it's not as one sided as it seems. I don't have any objection to the crop factor on my 1Dx2.

Jack
I love the 5dsr. Not only do I not see moire, the video is much sharper than the 5dIII. ALso the crop isnt that bad on the 1dxII and a lot of cloggers actually own the 1dx2 which features 120fps in 1080p. One other thing no one is mentioning is that there seems to be a huge amount of rolling shutter in 4k with the 5div and in a video I seen for the eos r on the Northrup youtube channel.
 

reef58

EOS 80D
Apr 16, 2016
134
4
I think Canon released their entry level full frame, but with the lenses they announced we are coming. Lenses are their strength so seems to be a good move. I find the news exciting, but not really much of a mirrorless fan.
 

reef58

EOS 80D
Apr 16, 2016
134
4
I have to do something eventually because I need better stabilization. Yes Canon has amazing lenses but that doesn't help with stabilizing. I shoot 35 1.4ii, 50 1.2L, 85 1.2ii, 105 1.4 for weddings and commercial video with glidecam's and now DJI's Ronin-S but all this could be AMAZING with IBIS.
For me gear is gear and I don't mind going to Sony or Nikon but I use to shoot Nikon in the past and jumped because their Color wasn't my style. I LOVE Canon's color for my style so I desperately wanted a Canon release to work.
I'm really looking at the Z6 sadly.. It does everything I need for practical work.
I certainly don't know this business you describe, but from what little I do know and what I have read neither the Nikon nor Canon releases would be optimal for shooting weddings. Are you talking video only or stills and video? Most reviewers have indicated the Nikon's focusing was not optimal. That would concern me for a paid wedding shoot. But that is me.
 

beforeEos Camaras

love to take photos.
Sep 8, 2014
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I find all these jump over to sony have forgotten. when it breaks and all cameras do break be it drop or just extreme use.

who is going to fix it?
sony has no cps and if its a older model no extra parts.
 

Yasko

EOS 80D
Jun 9, 2017
112
18
I find all these jump over to sony have forgotten. when it breaks and all cameras do break be it drop or just extreme use.

who is going to fix it?
sony has no cps and if its a older model no extra parts.
Sony has upped their game regarding he pro support.But if the camera breaks after a year or so, you just buy the newer model of your camera branch anyway. :sneaky:
 

PGSanta

EOS 80D
Sep 5, 2018
125
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San Diego, CA
+1
I was seriously contemplating getting a A73 to see what all the fuss is about but thought I would wait to see what the R looked like.
My reasons for the Sony were really two fold - dynamic range and eye AF. he new R has what looks like the 5DIV sensor and it has eye AF. And I will be able to use my existing lenses without spending a few hundred more on the Metabones.
In a weird way knowing that Canon has released the R has calmed my GAS for a bit - I just need to wait for the reviews :)
It has eye AF only useable in AFS... what the hell is the point when you cap out at 3fps though.

The EV rating is made with a 1.2...

Someone at Canon marketing is kind of clever.
 

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
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It has eye AF only useable in AFS... what the hell is the point when you cap out at 3fps though.

The EV rating is made with a 1.2...

Someone at Canon marketing is kind of clever.
It's billed as a portrait function so AF-S seems reasonable to me especially as it has eye AF with focus tracking. It took Sony 5+ years to develop eye AF in burst mode.
 

drama

I'm New Here
Sep 1, 2016
18
38
I have to do something eventually because I need better stabilization. Yes Canon has amazing lenses but that doesn't help with stabilizing. I shoot 35 1.4ii, 50 1.2L, 85 1.2ii, 105 1.4 for weddings and commercial video with glidecam's and now DJI's Ronin-S but all this could be AMAZING with IBIS.
For me gear is gear and I don't mind going to Sony or Nikon but I use to shoot Nikon in the past and jumped because their Color wasn't my style. I LOVE Canon's color for my style so I desperately wanted a Canon release to work.
I'm really looking at the Z6 sadly.. It does everything I need for practical work.
I would assume that as the 24-70 2.0 and the 50mm 1.2 are both unstabilized, that a stabilized body is coming. When however, remains to be seen. It certainly won't be in the next six months, given the hype around this launch. They'll want to let the R breathe for a bit.
 

jjesp

I'm New Here
Dec 30, 2016
19
9
But why? Beside the EVF, the great thing is that mirrorless could be smaller. They even did make a new mount. And then the lenses are so big.... Come on Canon!
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HarryFilm

EOS 7D MK II
Jun 6, 2016
416
30
Canon can take a deep sigh of relief now they know the geniuses at dpreview are "quite impressed". Sitting all night on the edge of their seats, no doubt.

I would have placed an order for one already but recent experience has taught me my backup camera needs to be the very same as my primary—so I'll wait and buy two of the next, higher-res, two-card-slot version. Ya know they've got one in the works.
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The BEST PART of this announcement is a .F.A.S.T.. F1.2 L-series lens which pretty much breaks the internet WIDE OPEN! The new Canon Mirrorless R-mount camera is GOOD but NOWHERE NEAR TRULY GREAT.....HOWEVER.....a 50mm F1.2 L-series ULM lens IS A TRULY GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT from the get go!

The camera is worth getting JUST FOR THAT LENS ALONE!!!! If any of you buy ANYTHING ELSE with this camera BUY THAT LENS !!!!! ANY camera is only as great as the photographer's skill and the lens he/she puts on it. Save your pennies for that F 1.2 lens!
 
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RGF

How you relate to the issue, is the issue.
Jul 13, 2012
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I'll be curious to see the longer term reviews.

These guys were jumping to conclusions to get content up. But, overall, still seems like a very good camera.
Time will tell. I am a bit surprised that they said anything major positive about the camera as DPReview seems to have negative towards Canon
 
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So what is the naming convention going forward? I would have preferring this camera being called the R6 or something like that. What would the 5DIV mirrorless counterpart be named?
 
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