Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
SecureGSM said:
great post, Tom. Thank you.
It looks like the street price of 6D II will be at $/£ 1,500.00 level sooner than I expected. It is a great camera for the price though. That said, I expect to see you stepping up to 5D IV body sooner rather than later
on unrelated note: do you own the ColorChecker Card? If so, could you please do me a favour and take 3 shots of the card in AV mode on tripod for stability, at 90 degree angle to the card and identical framing, at ISO 100, constant aperture around F8 to minimise vignetting and resulting images exposed to: -3 stops, 0 stop, +3 stops. I would need RAW files, please.
I would like to run an analysis of the DR rage of 6D II at ISO 100.
Like everyone here, I live in the real world and I need a tool that will get the job done. The decision lies there.
I wont spend hours worrying over my decision and if I feel its not doing what I need I will sell it and buy something that does. That isnt the case, I shoot a lot of things that one camera cant do so tend to have 2-3 bodies at one time.
I also have other things I like to spend my money on, ive just bought my first house so if I can save money and get similar result it leaves more money to put towards house improvements. I also have a love for cars and would like to buy a toy for the weekend.
I think a lot of people let specs take over their process, that one stop or DR is not going to stop me making great images, it would be nice but back in the day I used to use 20/30/40Ds until the 5D came along. Some of my favorite images came from the 40D. If i take it out now im still impressed with the images I get with it and it is literally a POS compared to the 6DMKII!
In fact after 6 hours of torrential rain at Silverstone Classics a few years ago my 5DMKIII gave up the ghost and I made these images with the 40D...
Williams FW07C, Leyland #37, 1981, driven by C. D'Ansembourg, Legends of Modern F1, Silverstone Classic 2015 by
Tom Scott, on Flickr
BMW E30 M3, No.83, Tim Harvey, Silverstone Classics 2015 by
Tom Scott, on Flickr
Sideways Action, Historic Formula 1, Silverstone Classics 25th Anniversary by
Tom Scott, on Flickr
If you know what you are doing you can make images with any tool IMO. (btw put the 5DMKIII in a towel over night and booted right back up the next morning)
I would love to help you out but unfortunately my colour checker was also stolen
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jeffa4444 said:
I'm jealous that you only paid £ 1,489 as I paid £ 1,999.00! (are you excluding VAT as your a business?)
Like you and Ive posted elsewhere I find the camera to be no where near as bad as "professional reviewers" are saying and I make my living from renting equipment all the way up to very serious motion picture tools. I found in the limited shots Ive taken so far that pulled shadows appeared cleaner from noise at 400iso than 100iso and that surprised me. My old presets in LR for the 6D no longer work which is understandable and applying sharpening to raw images is much less with better results. My bug bear with the 6D was low level banding in large grey sky or blue sky areas or in lifting shadows in say beige walls of a room so far against pretty grey skies on Dartmoor this past weekend Ive not seen any or in lifting deep shadows in undergrowth on the Dart river.
Its early days but the flippy touch screen was great on low level tripod shots on long exposures on the river so much easier to adjust framing. I am going to try it for a model shoot I have this coming weekend although primarily I will be using the 5DS however I have used the 6D and recomposed with a fairly high success rate so I don't expect the 6D MKII to be too different.
Reading your initial impressions pushed me to the impulse purchase. So thanks for that ;D
I hate to say it but im an avid Grey market fan, never had an issue and its cheaper then buying uk then claiming VAT back. In the 15 years ive shot canon ive only had 2 problems. First was a 70-200mm MKII had some debris in the barrel on arrival and my 7DMKII dioptre seized. Both covered under warranty, were sent off to be serviced at CPS arrived back perfect and postage paid.
Im a CPS gold member too but only have gear serviced ive never had a piece of gear completely fail or break. Which is a testament to how well built these cameras are! My 5DMKIII was a mess I accidentally slipped on a river back and kicked a tripod into a river and completely submerged it, grabbed it and towweled it off, absolutely fine very lucky there. As above at silverstone it gave up after 6 hours in the rain, had it through the amazon, atacama desert, sahara, most of the southern African national parks, biwindi Ugandan rain forrest, northern Sumatran rain forrests. It really took a beating. Granted I had it serviced and it had 2 new shutters with about 300k on it but never skipped a beat really. It probably wasnt far off failing before it got stolen but I dont baby my gear what so ever.
The 6DMKII certainly has its quirks I dont think ive shot anything at low ISO yet, I dont feel restricted like we used to be with the older sensors I find im happy with 90% of the images all the way up tot 6400 ISO. I dont print huge, A2 is probably the biggest and that not often. Most of my images go in newspapers (which is pretty much like printing on glorified toilet paper), catalogs or marketing material, wedding books etc and at these sizes with the resolution of the sensors noise isnt visible unless you get the magnifying glass out.
Although I did sell a few images to united utilities and they had them printed as wallpaper for their head office in Warrington, Ullswater/Haweswater/Thirlmere buildings which was cool. As far as I know they had no issue with my 5DMKIII files.
I used the flippy screen shooting some products in the studio and just makes life so easy. Looking forward to getting it out to shoot some landscape. I also have a wedding tomorrow so will see how it gets on!
Don Haines said:
I have been playing around with high ISO on the 6D2...... it is freakin amazing! Low ISO, works great too!
Couldnt agree more! Its really impressive.
Graphic.Artifacts said:
Thank you for putting all of this together. Nice images. Looks like a solid paying gig.
I'm is a similar position regarding my old 5D3. Smash and grab out of my car along with a bag of EF primes. Not fun. I feel for you. My insurance company was a good sport about it though and paid up pretty quick. I had a rider for all of my gear though so they really had to. I spent the settlement on a 1DX2 as I didn't see any point in getting another 5D3 and the 5D4 wasn't out yet. A conspicuous brick of a camera but really outstanding in every other regard.
Starting to feel like I have a pretty good sense of the IQ on the 6D2. At least for a camera I've never even held in my hands. AF is still a bit of a wildcard for me though. That rocker looks a bit sketchy relative to a joystick. It does support BBF though as far as I can tell which helps a lot if you have to recompose. Sounds a lot like my 5D2 now that I think about it. Have read a few folks saying it's better to use the dials so that's good to know.
I do a lot of hand held low light street and venue work and I have an extended international trip coming up and need a lightweight body. The 5D3 was OK in low light in that it was accurate but slow. Hate to ask, but if you get the chance could you give us some feed back on focusing and shooting in low available light. No hurry, I'm not doing anything right away. Seems like the high ISO image quality is going to be pretty good but if I can't get accurate focus wide open that doesn't do me much good.
If the AF is workable I'll probably let the dust settle and then pick one up to use as a light weight inconspicuous body for street, travel and events. It seems like it has just the right feature set for those. Wildlife maybe not so much. Thanks again.
Maybe Canon will come out with a 5.5D for those of use that can live without the fancy features but want top notch IQ and AF.
No problem glad I can be some help. Its amazing how much you use things and how much more it costs to replace than you think. Sorry to hear about your gear too. Live and learn!
I have a wedding in a country house tomorrow so it will be dark and I will certainly give it a good run out. I have shot a few images and TBH all the way up to 40000 is pretty good, I think I will limit the camera to 12,800 but I didnt really like my 5DMKIII past 6400. I think I prefer the 6 because the noise has a much nicer pattern.
Its not the perfect wildlife camera but its has more than 1 F8 point which gives it a much better advantage over the 5DMKIII although it doesnt have the same focus modes you can make a profile which would simulate the focus modes of the 5 but you would have to reset it back to normal afterwards. You cant just change the case which is annoying.
Gnocchi said:
Thanks for your Honest Review, nice job.
Thanks
dak723 said:
Thanks Tom (and others, too) for your actual use reviews of the 6D II. As seems to be the case with every Canon release, the early pre-release reviews are negative and the nay-sayers, whiners, and DRones come out full force with all their ammunition to bad mouth Canon and ridicule those that like and enjoy shooting Canon. Then real photographers actually use the camera and find it is better in practically every way than the early reviewers thought.
Although I am going to be passing on this release, it is good to hear that the camera - in real world usage - is giving you really good results.
Completely agree although if people dont complain then canon will slow things down.
If I am completely honest it is disappointing that there isnt much of a sensor improvement as im sure the development and tooling to produce this wasnt cheap it doesnt seem to make much sence to go to all that extra work and make it similar. That said its not the end of the world like I said earlier (stupid to say) if you could make great images with the 5DMKIII you will get better from this and more useable. Its just not had the advancement of the 5DMKIV. There is just enough here to buy one I think, or if your in my situation without a FF camera it makes more sense to buy this than spend more on a 5 year old camera.
As you say the main thing is the camera is familiar performs how I expect and the colour and IQ is perfect for my needs.
Jack Douglas said:
I love the technology but clearly a fancy camera doesn't make me a good photographer. There is so much more to it. That's why it's not unsettling for me to have some element of my gear that isn't the best and that's why I always had praise for my 6D in spite of it's minimal specs. Four years of great fun.
Once again I have to wonder if all the photos taken a few years back are trash and by what standard we would judge them to be trash. There is so much more than just the technical IQ that makes a great photo.
When I shoot a bird in its beauty doing nothing much then of course what is there that is great; really only the IQ which is very much camera dependent. People view it and say, oh that's so sharp, and then it's ho hum because there are now millions of technically excellent photos of everything.
Shoot a hummingbird and then Google it and you'll see it's nothing outstanding compared to all that have been posted, or is it? To be outstanding there will have to be something very unique about it and that won't be dependent on which excellent camera you used. It'll be dependent on who's behind the camera and what they've been able to create using what's between their ears, not more DR.
That's how I see it. I need to improve far more than the camera needs to improve. Yet even that is secondary because for me number one is just simply having fun.
Jack
TBH its not all about what others think and many think you have to buy the best to be the best (all the gear no idea). The best thing is you are out and doing what you enjoy. There are so many great photographers out there that you cant hold yourself to everyone!
It is very easy to get carried away on these forums. Glad there are people like you who make sound judgements and I enjoy reading your thoughts because you clearly have a lot of experience.
The pictures I posted are so boring! Unfortunately most of my paid work is boring, every once and a while I do get to shoot something I enjoy. If it was easy to make money from being a birder then everyone would be doing it! There are skills more than in camera like finding the subject and getting close without spooking.
Completely agree people are too obsessed with the camera and not the image its very very rare you would figure out what camera was used. On the other hand this is a gear forum, it annoys me how little people contribute in images but have strong opinions of what can and cant be shot on XYZ. I contribute images im allowed to share and appreciate the time people spend posting images and explaining where and what they were doing. I like the story as much as the image, unfortunately those kind of threads arent always popular because they talk about photography not DR.
Even if you have been shooting for a long time there is always things to learn its when you think you know everything that creativity suffers. Ive been shooting a long time like many and there are many occasions I look at the image and think FOR GODS SAKE! lol concentrating so hard one one thing that I miss another. My biggest annoyance is vertical and horizontal lines that intersect through people and there are a few I posted that do just that but sometimes you cant help it. Im quite happy to keep shooting and the more you learn the less you make mistakes.
Nothing is perfect, usually I am the imperfect one.
Cheers
Tom