Here is the Canon EOS R5 and Canon EOS R6, along with the announcement date

BakaBokeh

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The R6 only being 20mp is so frustrating. I have been waiting nearly 8 years for a meaningful 6D upgrade and even in 2020, it looks unlikely. For an 3-4 year difference I would expect increased dynamic range, higher resolution, IBIS and good quality 4K video. Finally 8 years on Canon achieve most of it but 20mp isn't enough. I guess Canon spec a $2000 camera just short of what's expected in order to force buyers into buying their $4000 that "has it all".
Just curious. What is your shooting style? You sound like a video shooter touting good 4K, but then say 20MP is not enough. It's enough for 4K, which is why I think it was the chosen sensor size. Guess it means you shoot photos if you need the increased resolution. Would you consider having an R for stills which has 30.3MP and the R6 for video? Budget, or the need to carry only 1 body are valid reasons.

Many can make do with 20MP for photos, but I understand if the workflow involves large format printing or heavy cropping why it wouldn't be enough.
 

AEWest

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I don't see any R5 discounts on Black Friday only two months after it is available. On Black Friday Canon tends to concentrate on consumer grade and prosumer grade gear, not pro stuff.
I agree. However I do expect to see good Black Friday deals on the R body and R kit which may tempt some EF users into the RF ecosystem.
 
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Michael Clark

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The only two things that have limited me is the 20 mp and really limited seeing samples of action wildlife and sports. I've seen some sports, but not the files to determine the sharpness. I was also curious to know how ISO performance was. It is really a tempting camera, but 6500 is a big investment. I've played with Sony mirrorless and I still am less of a fan of EVF. The a9ii is also tempting....
Lots of wildlife at this thread. Not much sports has happened in the last three+ months, so no one has much of it. Maybe find a NASCAR photo group.
 

Michael Clark

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It seems to me the EF 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 DO IS wasn’t that far removed from these new f11 STM lenses and that had the green ring. Although it was a truly forgettable lens with terrible bokeh issues low contrast and a high price.
But you could beat the lens length rule for most venues to get into an event (sports/concert/etc.) with 300mm as a spectator.
 

Michael Clark

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Question. For auditorium events / lighting.

I have the RF 24-240 f/4-6.3.
Is a constant f/4 (on the new 70-200) enough of a benefit at the long end to justify adding it? Losing 40 mm and only gaining 1.3 stops at 200mm.

Or keep saving for the 2.8 and enjoy the current lens.
For 70-200mm I find I really need f/2.8 when shooting theatrical or musical performances (scholastic orchestra, concert band, etc.) in an auditorium. I can get by with f/4 for wider focal lengths (17-40mm or 24-105mm) where the movement of the subjects is not as noticeable at slower shutter durations.
 

Michael Clark

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The R5 might function just fine as a 7D2 replacement (for the time being), as the in-camera 1.6x crop mode it works just like any APS-C mirrorless camera would.
In camera 1.6X crop mode would be 17.5 MP, assuming the R5 is 44.9 MP.
 
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Michael Clark

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Meanwhile, DxOMark released a review on 1dxIII sensor.

https://www.dxomark.com/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-sensor-review/

I don't know what's going on but it's rated lower than 5DIV's. Hope the R5 won't be a disappointment in terms of the sensor performance.
I'm not a big believer in DxOMark but...

Something must be amiss here... all other reports have the 1dx mark iii comparing much better against its rivals
Look at the DxO Mark measurements of the ISO settings on the 1D X Mark III. Something is seriously off there. The actual ISO at any full stop ISO is one stop higher than the 1D X Mark II or 5D Mark IV at the next higher full stop ISO setting! Cameras which are less sensitive than the selected ISO tend to get higher DxO Mark scores than other comparable cameras from the same generation with measurements closer to the actual ISO setting.

Most camera makers do this to protect the highlights due to the linear response of digital sensors as compared to the "shoulder" that film has near full saturation.

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Michael Clark

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I currently have a 20MP sensor and can print really large prints with it - up to a yard wide looks beautiful (I do help by making the photo as good as possible in post). I email it off to WhiteWall in Germany and they ship it back for almost free. So don't sweat that, unless you crop really heavy (in which case the 30MP image will have somewhat similar issues). The R6 having IBIS alone is worth buying IMHO, plus you get everything else it offers, like a 5Mdot EVF and dual card slots! I'd say get the R6 and revel in the new beautiful camera. Or you could look for a used or gray market R for less $. One other option you have is to save up a bit more money and see what the R5s 85?MP sensor & cost is in maybe a year or less - it will probably be aimed more at landscape photography anyway.
Most landscape specialists use tripods. That makes IBIS superfluous.
 

Michael Clark

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Not much better, in terms of the dynamic range it's pretty much on par with the rivals, e.g. it's slightly better than A9II and slightly worse than A7RIV, and better than 5DIV. That's according to photonstophotos:

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS 1D X Mark III,Canon EOS 5D Mark IV,Sony ILCE-7RM4,Sony ILCE-9M2
Folks who have gone from the 1D X Mark II to the 1D X Mark III mostly say that the shadows can be pushed a lot better with the III than the II. Maybe it's new camera confirmation bias, or maybe the III is metering/exposing more to the right and risking blowing the highlights more?


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This is a more relevant metric in my opinion. The sensor response to lifting shadows has a greater bearing on the way I work than total dynamic range. TDR of Canon sensors is usually suficient for most subjects I photograph. The 1DX3 has a significantly flatter ISO curve than any other Canon sensor I've looked at. If the sensor in the 6R is as ISO invarient as the 1DX3 than it is going to be a winner IMO.
That looks more like what I've been hearing from those using the 1D X Mark III at mid-range ISO settings.
 

Michael Clark

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The R6 only being 20mp is so frustrating. I have been waiting nearly 8 years for a meaningful 6D upgrade and even in 2020, it looks unlikely. For an 3-4 year difference I would expect increased dynamic range, higher resolution, IBIS and good quality 4K video. Finally 8 years on Canon achieve most of it but 20mp isn't enough. I guess Canon spec a $2000 camera just short of what's expected in order to force buyers into buying their $4000 that "has it all".
The 5D Mark IV is currently going for less than $2K at authorized U.S. dealers. Isn't that about the price range of the 6D when it was introduced?
 

usern4cr

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Most landscape specialists use tripods. That makes IBIS superfluous.
I am not a professional, but my favorite photos are of landscapes. While I have a tripod, and I sometimes create large panos with a tripod, I more often take long walks/hikes with just my camera in hand. I use the great OIS + IBIS to take single photos or sometimes hand-held panorama shots which I then stitch together later. So to me, it is *not* superfluous. If you, or "most landscape specialists" only want to take pictures on a tripod, then more power to you all and I'm glad you're happy. But the majority of the time I take pictures handheld and love the freedom to either use a tripod or not.
 
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Starting out EOS R

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General question to anyone on the forum who has an EOS R and uses it for sports, wildlife / fast moving objects.

I mainly do landscapes and have no issues with the R's performance in this area. However during the lockdown, I've started taking pictures of the family dog and wildlife and have really struggled with getting shots that are in focus. I'm not sure if it's me being a little inexperienced with this type of shooting or using the wrong settings. Ive tried high speed continuous shutter speed with servo AF and still not great.

I know the R was never designed for fast frame rate shooting so this may be the thing that pushes me to buy the R5 if the EVF lag and AF has been sorted.

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.
 

Joules

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Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.
I think the only suggestion that may help with the EVF experience is to use an RF lens and turn on the smooth viewfinder option. If you did that already, there's probably nothing you can do to improve the R EVF, as it is likely hardware limitations.

The R5 should offer some noticeable improvement if it combines the 1DX III LiveView performance with a better OVF. So should the R6 if it indeed uses the same tech as rumored.
 

Starting out EOS R

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I think the only suggestion that may help with the EVF experience is to use an RF lens and turn on the smooth viewfinder option. If you did that already, there's probably nothing you can do to improve the R EVF, as it is likely hardware limitations.

The R5 should offer some noticeable improvement if it combines the 1DX III LiveView performance with a better OVF. So should the R6 if it indeed uses the same tech as rumored.
Thanks, the EVF lag is quite annoying even with the smooth setting on. My main concern is the focusing, or lack of it. I'm using an RF 70-200mm F2.8L AND the expanded AF setting with Servo on high speed continuous frame rate but it seems none of the images are in focus where I want, i.e. the dog. some of it may be me not tracking the subject and combined with the EFV lag, not panning accurately enough.

Fortunately I only do this type of shooting maybe 30% of the time but it's still massively annoying. I may try it on single shot with AF servo to see if that helps.
 

FamilyGuy

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Thanks, the EVF lag is quite annoying even with the smooth setting on. My main concern is the focusing, or lack of it. I'm using an RF 70-200mm F2.8L AND the expanded AF setting with Servo on high speed continuous frame rate but it seems none of the images are in focus where I want, i.e. the dog. some of it may be me not tracking the subject and combined with the EFV lag, not panning accurately enough.

Fortunately I only do this type of shooting maybe 30% of the time but it's still massively annoying. I may try it on single shot with AF servo to see if that helps.
High speed uses a shooting priority over refocusing. Use the regular continuous shooting mode. That uses a tracking priority placing a higher priority on retaining focus than a higher number of FPS. Probably 5 or less FPS, but it’ll track better.

High speed is good for a fast moving subject across the same plane of focus.

Without an image, to expand a bit on shooting modes. On the menu, the single square is for single shot. The three overlapping squares is for continuous shooting (tracking priority). The three overlapping squares with the ‘H’ is for high speed continuous (speed priority).

The second one is what you want.
 
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