Is a dedicated astrophotography EOS R coming in 2019? [CR1]

motorhead9999

I'm New Here
Apr 14, 2017
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Just remember, many of the astro people who would use would not even need a lens. Most of these astro people will be putting their cameras directly to their telescopes with an adapter, so no lens needed. The only folks who would need lenses are those doing astro style landscapes, where this modification wouldn't be as useful.
 
Jun 3, 2019
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That could be an interesting option. Just think about an EOS Ra and an EF mount adapter with integrated IR blocking filter for daily use. Could be a great cam for all people shooting astro and nomal stuff
 
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SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
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It sounds like for nearly no investment whatsoever (remove a filter, manufacture a new badge, MAYBE tweak the firmware a few man-hours, and supply an external power supply jack) they could make a whole new camera model. That'd be useful when they only have 2 camera models.

Ditto, the 85/1.2 and 85/1.2 apodization filter sound like an easy way to get a whole 'nother lens model into the lineup at zero more optics design and manufacture cost.

My bro in law does astro and has a dedicated camera of some sort. I hope to find out more in person so I haven't been interrogating him about details.

In short, he uses his telescope so wouldn't need a special lens.

My question though is who'd want to use a Canon MILFF instead of a dedicated camera? You not only have to pay for the telescope and tripod but the mount that keeps it tracking your subject throughout the night. His camera actually detects the starlight moving sub-pixel amounts and directs the motorized mount to turn the camera.
 
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tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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Some modifications of various EOS models produced better Hydrogen Alpha responses than the Canon 60Da model.
See an example in:


Plus someone could have a FF camera modified for those wide angle astrophotos.
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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My comment on the last thread,

" Stuart replied to the thread Canon’s roadmap for 2019, included an EOS R camera that no one is expecting? [CR2].
An astro version - scratch scratch?
Saturday at 5:59 AM
"

Did someone read it and become the new CR1 source?


Or, What if Canon has a few EOS R's left over and just using a different filter helps them shift them? Cynical?
Cynical no, practical yes! At the same time it would be the first official FF Canon Astrocamera.
 
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CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
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841
Irving, Texas
That would certainly make me scratch my head. No doubt astrophotography is more popular than ever, but I can't imagine that the market of those tinkering with astrophotography is large enough to justify a body like this. I think Canon even said that the 60Da was unsuitable for regular photography because of the IR filter set up.

Certainly anecdotal, but for many of the people I see doing astrophotogrpahy, it is only part of what they're shooting and not all of it. Likely hard to justify a dedicated astrophotography camera for many potential customers. And for those who are willing to buy a dedicated astro camera, I suspect that they may not need or want a full frame - most seem to be using cropped sensor cameras on trackers and the bulk of the investment goes into the telescope it is mounted to. I wonder if the image circle in those telescopes is large enough for a full frame sensor? No idea admittedly.

I am indeed scratching my head.
But wouldn't guys with telescopes want this? Wouldn't require a lens from Canon for that.
 

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,224
841
Irving, Texas
Just remember, many of the astro people who would use would not even need a lens. Most of these astro people will be putting their cameras directly to their telescopes with an adapter, so no lens needed. The only folks who would need lenses are those doing astro style landscapes, where this modification wouldn't be as useful.
That's what I was wondering. Other than Milky Way shots, I would think astro photographers rely on telescopes.
 

Trey T

EOS T7i
Feb 6, 2019
79
30
but why it is headscratcher ,doesnt sound anyhow special?
Perhaps they will offer a removable IR filter (converting full-spectrum to color via EOS R to EF adapter) for EF shooters. If that's the case, I hope it's a 20-24MP FF sensor and able to shoot 10fps+ to pull 7D shooters, like myself, in.
 

canonnews

EOS RP
Dec 27, 2017
227
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Canada
www.canonnews.com
But wouldn't guys with telescopes want this? Wouldn't require a lens from Canon for that.
a full spectrum camera is probably better than one with just an h-alpha pass filter, not to mention it's not cooled (quite possibly), and 26 or 30mp images are unwieldy.

the problem is the 20da and 60da came out when there was really no other cost-effective alternatives, so it made sense.

but now you have CMOS cooled cameras like this:

https://www.qhyccd.com/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=show&catid=94&id=13

it makes having a large camera pretty obsolete.

not to mention, a camera such as that can go on a hyperstared Schmidt-Cassegrain while the EOS RP,etc is limited.
 

jeanluc

EOS 80D
Oct 29, 2012
145
32
I shot this on my Canon EOS R using the RF 35mm F/1.8 STM lens stopped down to F/2.0 for coma.


I would love to get more latitude on both ends of the light spectrum with the sensor. It would also be great to have a dedicated intervalometer for ramping holy grail timelapses. Some other features could be an internal closure for the eyepiece to block light, dedicated color temperatures for night skies, a better way to regulate sensor temperature, a simple process that takes blackout frames for noise compensation in camera, a night-mode for all screens, better battery performance (think ability to connect to a battery pack), improved infinity focus peaking, and illuminated or glowing buttons externally.

I think Canon's biggest hurdle is lenses as almost all their fast primes exhibit the annoying coma aberration. I saw this at f/1.8 on the 35mm lens in my most recent tests. It's Milky Way season this week, and this news is exciting!
Awesome!
 

jeanluc

EOS 80D
Oct 29, 2012
145
32
This would be cool for a lot of people; so would finally releasing an up to date high MP body. Hope we see both.
 
Dec 28, 2015
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Now if it had a built in astrotracker aka the Pentax and a nice sensor conversion it would be of real interest - but of course the astrotracker is simply a clever bit of GPS and a different use of in-body image stabilisation
 

David - Sydney

EOS M50
Dec 7, 2014
26
9
www.flickr.com
An astro R camera could also be useful for infrared photography. It would have much more sensitivity to the infrared spectrum. You would of course still need to use IR cut filters to remve the colour component but the exposure length would be significantly shorter than with a normal camera. Not sure that you can get very specific wavelength lens filters as you can with dedicated IR-converted cameras though