Is the EOS 7D Mark II the last in the 7D series? We’re told that it is [CR1]
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Most 7D2 owners need weather sealing. Which means if this rumor is true they might jump, but it won't be to Sony.
its bit odd peoples who can afford 500 or 600mm big white wants consumer price body
I shot my 7D for years and loved it, but like you I never jumped to the mk II and went FF instead. To my surprise I do not miss the frame rate, but I do miss the buffer size. Aside from that nothing lost. If I have to crop the IQ is just as good. If I can fill the frame it's far better. (With the caveat that "far better" isn't necessarily clear until large print sizes, or higher ISOs.)
I'm in the strange position of thinking Canon should make a 7D3, but realizing I would probably never buy it.
With all the talk about the 7D line being a dead end I've started using my M5 with the 100-400 II in my backyard. Reason being is the R intrigues me and I just want to see how it feels to go mirrorless with birds and such.
The bad- ergonomics are awful, but that's the issue with the M5, adapter and pretty good sized lens. I'm 6'4" and between the camera size and the weight of the lens I wouldn't try to hold the camera just by the grip. I also have issues with seeing the photos I've taken in the EVF as well as that short blackout. I want to see my subject asap. I actually got a Robin in flight but it was by sheer luck because I'm not sure I ever saw it through the EVF.
The good- I've tried using the field focus, standard size focus box, small focus box, and when I get it right, I'm really happy with the results. The detail and IQ are really nice. A couple of times the AF couldn't pick up my subject and I had to manually focus first, but then the AF was on target.
Bottom line is I'm OK going mirrorless but the EVF issues of the R would need to be corrected, since they're similar to the M5. The "bar" on the R serves no purpose for me, I want a joystick for focusing. A sports and wildlife R will need to be large enough and sturdy enough to balance with heavier lenses. Other than the M5 every camera I use has a vertical grip too.
My wife uses an 80D with the 70-300L, she saw me using the M5 on the 100-400, looked at me and said 'that looks ridiculous'.
The bad- ergonomics are awful, but that's the issue with the M5, adapter and pretty good sized lens. I'm 6'4" and between the camera size and the weight of the lens I wouldn't try to hold the camera just by the grip. I also have issues with seeing the photos I've taken in the EVF as well as that short blackout. I want to see my subject asap. I actually got a Robin in flight but it was by sheer luck because I'm not sure I ever saw it through the EVF.
The good- I've tried using the field focus, standard size focus box, small focus box, and when I get it right, I'm really happy with the results. The detail and IQ are really nice. A couple of times the AF couldn't pick up my subject and I had to manually focus first, but then the AF was on target.
Bottom line is I'm OK going mirrorless but the EVF issues of the R would need to be corrected, since they're similar to the M5. The "bar" on the R serves no purpose for me, I want a joystick for focusing. A sports and wildlife R will need to be large enough and sturdy enough to balance with heavier lenses. Other than the M5 every camera I use has a vertical grip too.
My wife uses an 80D with the 70-300L, she saw me using the M5 on the 100-400, looked at me and said 'that looks ridiculous'.
I have the 60 and 70 and jumpedto the 7D2 for the speed. if there is a combined camera I hope there is the SPEED and required for sports
The crop factor makes these lens appear to be 800 and 960 mm on the 7DMII and when you are limited in how close you can approach wildlife the length of the lens is all you have to make up that distance. Depending on the pixel size of your sensor, there is only so much you can crop the picture to still have enough to print. I photograph to print, not to post on the web, and because of that I can do very little cropping to a photograph from the 7DMII because of the sensor size depending on the size of the print to be made. I have more latitude with my R which has a larger sensor.its bit odd peoples who can afford 500 or 600mm big white wants consumer price body
Hi Folks.
In my opinion (and it is just my opinion and worth about tuppence) a replacement for the 7DII needs 4 things,
1, Single-point spot AF. For burrowing through the brush for little birds. Missing on 80D.
2, Deep buffer. At least as many shots as the 7DII and preferably more RAW capability.
3, Joystick. Still the quickest way to move the AF point around the viewfinder, (select joystick direct in the custom menu) and helpful for ordinary navigation.
4, Weather resistance. At least as good as the 7DII.
As for frame rate, I very rarely use 10fps, I learned very quickly that you can bury yourself in almost identical shots, I only use it if I want a particular shot, like an exhaust flame that is not easy to predict and time a shot to capture it so high frame rate, nice but not essential!
I’m not very familiar with a touch screen for AF selection but I can’t imagine trying to manoeuvre a thumb around under your nose with your eye to the viewfinder?
I basically went 7D to retain the joystick when the 60D lost it, upgraded to 7DII and hope that a 7DIII might be a next step before going R something when they are up there with a sports spec body.
If they do merge the 7D and X0D lines I hope they lift the spec of the X0D and not drop the spec of the 7DIII.
Cheers, Graham.
In my opinion (and it is just my opinion and worth about tuppence) a replacement for the 7DII needs 4 things,
1, Single-point spot AF. For burrowing through the brush for little birds. Missing on 80D.
2, Deep buffer. At least as many shots as the 7DII and preferably more RAW capability.
3, Joystick. Still the quickest way to move the AF point around the viewfinder, (select joystick direct in the custom menu) and helpful for ordinary navigation.
4, Weather resistance. At least as good as the 7DII.
As for frame rate, I very rarely use 10fps, I learned very quickly that you can bury yourself in almost identical shots, I only use it if I want a particular shot, like an exhaust flame that is not easy to predict and time a shot to capture it so high frame rate, nice but not essential!
I’m not very familiar with a touch screen for AF selection but I can’t imagine trying to manoeuvre a thumb around under your nose with your eye to the viewfinder?
I basically went 7D to retain the joystick when the 60D lost it, upgraded to 7DII and hope that a 7DIII might be a next step before going R something when they are up there with a sports spec body.
If they do merge the 7D and X0D lines I hope they lift the spec of the X0D and not drop the spec of the 7DIII.
Cheers, Graham.
Why do people always think that someone who has a 500mm lens only using 1DX level cameras? You can buy a used Canon 500mm IS in good condition for less than the price of a 5D4. Nothing about the 7D is consumer. It's basically a 5D4 body with APS-C sensor and faster burst rate.its bit odd peoples who can afford 500 or 600mm big white wants consumer price body
Glenn Bartley who is one of the best bird photographers is using 7D. My friend has a Nikon D5, D500 and a 600mm F4 lens. He is using the "consumer" D500 for 90% of his wildlife photography.
You can buy a good used 1DX for less than a 5D MkIV too...
For me it's all about AF performance not cropping capability or sensor size, others might have different priorities. I'd take a used 1DX over a 7D MkII any day. But I am happy to accept that is just my opinion and others are just as valid for different people.
For me it's all about AF performance not cropping capability or sensor size, others might have different priorities. I'd take a used 1DX over a 7D MkII any day. But I am happy to accept that is just my opinion and others are just as valid for different people.
I've been waiting to replace my 7D with a 7D III, or a suitable R body. I also have a M5. A couple of comments:
Bottom line: if Canon wants to sell a R replacement for the 7D, it better be able to handle a 7D like frame rate and handle AF at sport/wildlife focal lengths. I wouldn't mind a full frame sensor (most of my lenses are full frame anyway), with the ability to use EFS lenses.
- The original 7D can't autofocus a 70-200 f4 L IS USM or a 100-400 L IS USM with a 2x III extender, while the M5 does.
- The M5 can't handle saving JPEG + RAW at frame rates over once every two or three seconds, while the 7D merrily shoots a fast burst.
Bottom line: if Canon wants to sell a R replacement for the 7D, it better be able to handle a 7D like frame rate and handle AF at sport/wildlife focal lengths. I wouldn't mind a full frame sensor (most of my lenses are full frame anyway), with the ability to use EFS lenses.
I'd agree with these points.
I'm not sure if its what you mean but I would like a small focus point that could really pick out a small bird amongst branches.
I don't think I can use touch screen for moving the AF point. I see to instinctively not like touch screen on a camera. I like the joystick.
I'd like the focussing to somehow recognise a bird in flight. That's the bit I find more frustrating. A big bird isn't too bad but its hard to track a small bird in flight.
I've no idea on sales but I'd have thought the 7DII Sold well. I think a 7DIII would do well also.
Not sure why it's worth supporting, there would be very little benefit over using a 1.4 anyway, other than maybe for video.
Just because I don't miss 8 fps doesn't mean I want to drop to 3 fps
First off: I like my 7DII a lot.
Once canon rolls out mirrorless for pros they could easily put in an expensive sensor, fancy CPU and enough cooling into a camera to get to the pro users their next crop sensor, high FPS body.
It's not impossible to combine with tech they are already sais to have/others have.
E.g. there's talk of a 70 MP FF sensor: if they make it so it could also be used in crop mode (only using the pixels on the inside, letting the other sit by idle: you would instantly regain the added reach of an crop sensor without losing the ability to also go wide on the same body and lens) AFAIk the R does this to some point already. The bit would be to not transport the data of the unused pixels out of the sensor.
framerate: In essence all video sensor makers are engineering for (ever better) 8K video sensors. 8K = 35MP at a video framerate ! So if they have the tech to move that amount of data out of a sensor efficiently (heat, power use, etc): then there's little to stop them but the willingness and development into a product to give you something like this:
Add in some more RF lenses and nobody will miss the old 7DmkII.
All that they need is the willingness to do it and the (huge) investment to develop anything into a product.
But yes, such a beast would combine the 5Ds, the 7DmkII, the 5DmkIV successors into one body, and maybe even feature a 8K crop mode (35MP used) so their marketing dept would probably segment what their engineers make into 3 or 4 different bodies.
Even if they decide to develop this: don't hold your breath, it'll take years before it hits the market.
Once canon rolls out mirrorless for pros they could easily put in an expensive sensor, fancy CPU and enough cooling into a camera to get to the pro users their next crop sensor, high FPS body.
It's not impossible to combine with tech they are already sais to have/others have.
E.g. there's talk of a 70 MP FF sensor: if they make it so it could also be used in crop mode (only using the pixels on the inside, letting the other sit by idle: you would instantly regain the added reach of an crop sensor without losing the ability to also go wide on the same body and lens) AFAIk the R does this to some point already. The bit would be to not transport the data of the unused pixels out of the sensor.
framerate: In essence all video sensor makers are engineering for (ever better) 8K video sensors. 8K = 35MP at a video framerate ! So if they have the tech to move that amount of data out of a sensor efficiently (heat, power use, etc): then there's little to stop them but the willingness and development into a product to give you something like this:
- mirrorless
- 70MP FF sensor
- 28MP 1,6x crop mode on the FF sensor
- > 24 fps in crop mode ; more sedated pace in FF mode (a factor of ~2.6 slower due to the amount of data increasing)
- electronic shutter
- some high performance storage media (something suitable for the data rates these beasts would generate
- some more cpu and battery power and cooling to drive it all [but 8K video cameras need that already]
- ...
Add in some more RF lenses and nobody will miss the old 7DmkII.
All that they need is the willingness to do it and the (huge) investment to develop anything into a product.
But yes, such a beast would combine the 5Ds, the 7DmkII, the 5DmkIV successors into one body, and maybe even feature a 8K crop mode (35MP used) so their marketing dept would probably segment what their engineers make into 3 or 4 different bodies.
Even if they decide to develop this: don't hold your breath, it'll take years before it hits the market.
Ah ok seeing problem now ,its all about frame rate and 1dx serie is too expensive.
Canon must think they can offer something better than 7 serie on mirrorless i hope.
doesnt full frames focus better when more focus points ? at least fast moving target is easier keep on viewfinder.
Canon must think they can offer something better than 7 serie on mirrorless i hope.
doesnt full frames focus better when more focus points ? at least fast moving target is easier keep on viewfinder.
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I went from the 7D to the RP and only started missing the fps yesterday when trying to catch bees during take-off. OTOH I now only need to delete 5 out of focus shots instead of 8 for the 7D and 10 for the M50Just because I don't miss 8 fps doesn't mean I want to drop to 3 fps
My M wasn't, I agree, but the R nails focus every time. I couldn't even get my EOS-1Ds MkIII to nail focus 10% of the time with the EF 50/1.2 but I can shoot my 5yo dancing around with the RF50/1.2 wide open and get eyelash-counting sharpness on 8 out of 10 shots. I haven't really shot the R with the 600/4 but I can't imagine why it wouldn't be the same story.
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I agree. The R does nail focus and can tear through a lot of shots without buffering. I couldn't nail focus no matter the settings in the 7d mk ii. Looked sharp when the mirror flapped on a 70-200 f4 but was out of focus constantly. Sigma 50 f1.4 art - no sharp focus ever. The 200d/100d could nail focus more consistently... All be it slow