It’s been a while, but an APS-C equipped EOS R body gets another mention [CR2]

Canon Rumors Guy

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Ever since the Canon EOS R was announced, one of the big questions was whether or not we’d see an APS-C equipped EOS R to replace the EOS 7D Mark II, or if that sensor size would be left for the EOS M line.
A good source tells us that such a camera is in active development at Canon, but likely won’t see the light of day until 2021. More lenses in the RF lineup are a priority over an APS-C body we have been told, but that there definitely would not be “RF-S” lenses developed for a smaller sensor EOS R camera body.
This is the first we’ve heard about such a camera body in a long while, and I do think we’ll eventually see one as a performance model, and not “entry-level”.
There’s not much new here, but I’m glad it gets another mention.
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amorse

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It'll be a rebel/kiss/xxxD
Do you have a source which suggests it'll be an entry-level body? The rumour suggests it could be a performance model. I'm more inclined to believe it'll be a performance model than bargain basement body - if they're not going to design crop sensor lenses for RF (as the rumour suggests), then nearly any lens you put on this body is going to cost more than the body itself. They may not be able to get the price of this camera/lens down to a palatable point for a rebel/kiss/xxxD series body.
 

Philrp

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I never believed Canon would give up this segment of the market. At least not until technology and pricing make it possible to have a full featured body with a full frame sensor at the 2k'ish price point.

I still want my 1D features at a price I can afford, and the sensor is a comprise i'm willing to make.

IMHO, R will never be entry level. Crop or not.
 

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Do you have a source which suggests it'll be an entry-level body? The rumour suggests it could be a performance model. I'm more inclined to believe it'll be a performance model than bargain basement body - if they're not going to design crop sensor lenses for RF (as the rumour suggests), then nearly any lens you put on this body is going to cost more than the body itself. They may not be able to get the price of this camera/lens down to a palatable point for a rebel/kiss/xxxD series body.
I do not not have a source. I am basing this on the speculation that the entry level bodies sell better and don't need a spectacular AF and viewfinder that a 7d body would need. I think sports people might want a very low latency view finder, the one on the R felt like it was a little behind the subject.
 

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I do not not have a source. I am basing this on the speculation that the entry level bodies sell better and don't need a spectacular AF and viewfinder that a 7d body would need. I think sports people might want a very low latency view finder, the one on the R felt like it was a little behind the subject.
EVF latency is an implementation issue and not an immutable characteristic of the R mount line of bodies. It would make more sense to me to differentiate the M line from future potential APS-C R bodies by very high frame rates and low latency EVF for fast action like BIF and sports. This group currently feels left out of the R revolution.
 
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I think Canon has to make a crop EOS R mount if they want to be taken seriously and compete. The EOS M mount was great in a vacuum but nobody at Canon dreamed they'd be developing a FF mirrorless mount. Since Canon has like what? 7 lenses max for the EOS M mount, now would be the time to quit that mount despite all that investment (which can't be all that great compared) and gear up towards the R mount going forward. This would obviously allow people to use the fantastic R glass on a crop mount. Plus I think the EF-M mount cameras will always have the stigma of being second-rate and inferior no matter how much they advance. The EF-M mount can be the Nikon V1 for Canon. Time to swallow the pride and go forward.
 

amorse

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I think Canon has to make a crop EOS R mount if they want to be taken seriously and compete. The EOS M mount was great in a vacuum but nobody at Canon dreamed they'd be developing a FF mirrorless mount. Since Canon has like what? 7 lenses max for the EOS M mount, now would be the time to quit that mount despite all that investment (which can't be all that great compared) and gear up towards the R mount going forward. This would obviously allow people to use the fantastic R glass on a crop mount. Plus I think the EF-M mount cameras will always have the stigma of being second-rate and inferior no matter how much they advance. The EF-M mount can be the Nikon V1 for Canon. Time to swallow the pride and go forward.
I don't know; even knowing the EF-M will never be a pathway to R, I've still be looking at an M6II as a really good potential option for a minimalist camera setup I can keep with me or use on very long hikes. I don't know how small an RF lens can get, so I'm not sure that the RF mount bodies will be able to create as truly small of a camera kit as EF-M. My biggest hesitation, as you mention, has been lens selection - though I'm not convinced that there's no niche there. I don't see the M series ever being considered flagship competitors, but for size conscious users it's still a good option I think.
 

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I think Canon has to make a crop EOS R mount if they want to be taken seriously and compete. The EOS M mount was great in a vacuum but nobody at Canon dreamed they'd be developing a FF mirrorless mount. Since Canon has like what? 7 lenses max for the EOS M mount, now would be the time to quit that mount despite all that investment (which can't be all that great compared) and gear up towards the R mount going forward. This would obviously allow people to use the fantastic R glass on a crop mount. Plus I think the EF-M mount cameras will always have the stigma of being second-rate and inferior no matter how much they advance. The EF-M mount can be the Nikon V1 for Canon. Time to swallow the pride and go forward.
What are you smoking?!
 
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If we look at it with a wide view, Canon is planning something big, they learn from the past and from rivals, in the past come first 35mm lenses, than when digital comes in with also crop factor new lenses are needed for that purpose because the smaller mirror whan, now they have a RF mount to explore and they will do the opposite of Sony, first flooding the market with RF lenses than bringing new cameras.
 

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Really hoping for it to be true along with release of RF 100mm Macro(for start). Also this camera will come with Dual card slots.
 

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I'm of two minds here.

If they did this, it's not just fan service to the 7D3-wanting crowd that would fuel this. Think about an RF mount crop-sensored mirrorless Rebel in 3-5 years -- I'm serious. Now that we think (or know?) that adapting EF-M to RF will never happen, there isn't the step-up option for EF-M to RF. One solution to that would be to offer a bare bones and small RF mount body with a crop sensor on the cheap. The pros for Canon are pretty clear if they did this:
  • Only have to keep one type of mount in production
  • EF-S and EF-M would go away over time and all they'd build down the road would be RF lenses
  • Customers starting on the low end with some RF Rebel would never have a financial lens mountain to climb to step up to a larger sensor. They'd just keep using their RF kit glass.
The cons are pretty rough, though:
  • RIP crop OVF. I would presume doing this would herald the end of the 90D and 7D2 type cameras.
  • It creates a basic lens size/cost problem for Canon where they'd either saddle tight-budget crop folks with the burden of buying unnecessarily large/expensive FF image circle lenses or they'd confound the world with a line of crop-only RF mount lenses (which could be a product purchasing/naming hellscape).
  • EF-M users who have piled up a few lenses would be hosed as one might conclude that a migration to RF + crop would spell the end of either EF-M body development (maybe) or EF-M lens development (surely).
But to do this just for the 7D crowd is bonkers. If Canon does this, they'd be thinking about much higher units to justify it.

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ahsanford

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I think Canon has to make a crop EOS R mount if they want to be taken seriously and compete. The EOS M mount was great in a vacuum but nobody at Canon dreamed they'd be developing a FF mirrorless mount. Since Canon has like what? 7 lenses max for the EOS M mount, now would be the time to quit that mount despite all that investment (which can't be all that great compared) and gear up towards the R mount going forward. This would obviously allow people to use the fantastic R glass on a crop mount. Plus I think the EF-M mount cameras will always have the stigma of being second-rate and inferior no matter how much they advance. The EF-M mount can be the Nikon V1 for Canon. Time to swallow the pride and go forward.

Whoa there.

EOS M was very profitable for Canon, especially in Japan. In comparison, Nikon 1 was an unmitigated disaster.

I think he question is: does Canon want folks amassing EF-M glass that will never work on an RF body? With SLRs (where EF-S doesn't mount on EF), this never stopped them. But Canon may possess marketing information that shows how much money they are losing by crop users not wanting to move up to FF because of the EF-M glass they've gathered.

So going to crop + RF is a way to eliminate that gap in the future. I'm not saying it's a great idea, but there is some merit to it.

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